Adam Goodes

Written by Motts on July 29 2015

Been giving this a lot of thought over the last 24 hours. Have done a lot of reading too. Here’s some of the stuff that interested me:

“People will boo, they will cheer, they will hiss, sometimes they will swear — it’s the behaviour of the player that can stimulate those responses. Adam Goodes would do well to look at what he’s done bad or good or indifferent and work out what he can do to change that.’’ – Dermott Brereton

“Racism has no place in our game, and while I respect that people may have different views about what is happening to Adam, it is impossible to separate this issue from the issue of race. The booing of Adam Goodes is being felt as racism by him and by many in our football community and as such, I urge our supporters to understand the toll this is having, the message it is sending, and that it does not reflect well on our game.” – Gillon McLachlan

“Adam Goodes is simply holding a mirror up to all of us. The mirror’s not the problem – its what we see in it that’s making us uncomfortable.” – Todd Sampson

“I’m not saying you boo Adam Goodes for racist reasons but when a bunch of racists are doing it too maybe stop.” – Titus O’Reilly

“I’d be very curious to know what the people booing Adam Goodes actually get out of it. Do they go home and ponder over the great thing they did by booing a guy plying his trade on the footy field? There have been plenty of very ordinary blokes who’ve played AFL and they’ve not been subjected to the systematic abuse Goodes has been putting up with. I just can’t work out why people are defending what amounts to shit, ignorant behaviour. The bloke’s tried to use the platform he has, to try to advance Aboriginal rights and he’s booed and labelled a flog. I find this very confusing.” – David Mainsbridge (a friend of mine) on Facebook

“I don’t like the guy , he plays for free kicks and in my opinion can be a dirty player, several times I have seen him in my opinion cross the line , having said that I would never waste my time booing him.” – a comment on his post.

“Did he murder someone? Did he assault someone? No and no. The answer — it is said — is because he plays for free kicks, that he used to slide into contests, that he dives and that he is a whinger. And if you believe those to be the reasons, you’re an imbecile.” – Mark Robinson

“Is the racism card played too often and too quickly these days?” – @Bombergrl2000

“What I will say to those who boo Goodes is now that he has opened up and said he is deeply hurt by the booing, and is battling frustration and all its bad energy targeted towards him, and would be disappointed if he leaves the game and that was the aftermath of his career – will you now stop booing?”- Kevin Bartlett

 

Its a topic that has divided the nation. Do you have any thoughts on it?

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109 thoughts on “Adam Goodes”

  1. He’s a massive flog blaming the booing on Racism, i’m a passionate Carlton supported when Eddie Betts left for Adelaide it hurt but i don’t boo him i actually cheer him on when i see him kick goals from his pocket. Adam Goodes think’s it’s all about him i say he needs to grow up. People aren’t booing him for race there booing him because he’s a flog.

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  2. Akermanis is a great example for a like for like comparison to Goodes.
    Show boating with goal celebrations (hand stands) and the occasional controversial rant.
    He was boo’d regularly for simply being a flog.

    This shouldn’t be any different to that..but the race card has already been played…

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  3. I was wondering if this would come up….
    First off – I don’t agree with booing anyone, I think it’s juvenile. I don’t have kids, but if I ever do and I hear them booing anyone (with intent, not just in jest), I’ll be pulling them up quick smart. I agree with Buckley – cheer for your own team as hard, loud and often as you want, but the game is too good to pour such negativity on it.
    I don’t buy the argument that it’s because he plays for free kicks, or that he has an inflated ego (which is debatable anyway). There have been plenty of players who fit into either or both of these categories – I don’t recall any of them being subject to this sort of ongoing abuse.
    I readily admit I’m a Swans supporter, but that is completely irrelevant to my opinion on this subject, I’d feel the same way if any other club was involved. The fact is the main difference between Goodes and everyone else in AFL is that here’s a guy that refuses to take a back seat when it comes to the issues that Aboriginal people face in a modern society. He’s active and outspoken. I think that rubs some people the wrong way, they would much rather the man and his problems just went away. I find that very sad.
    I think it’s likely there is a racial element to this, but ultimately I don’t know exactly why people are continually booing Goodes. It’s probably for a number of different reasons and only those involved will know their own motives for it. But is the reason behind it even that important anymore? It’s the 21st century and we’re talking about a champion of the game. It just shouldn’t be happening.

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  4. I will be straight up front I am not a fan of booing any players on a football field. I remember my son hating any Ex Collingwood players who changed clubs being booed. I understand it is a part of the game and has been going for decades.

    However , I feel the Adam Goodes booing has gone on far enough for whatever reasons opposition supporters are booing it is becoming a terrible look for the game and especially with the question of racisim being questioned to be at the forefront.
    Even Rugby league supporters dont carry on for years booing a player. Hopoate only got booed for 4 weeks.

    The game has come along way since the Nicky Winmar incident at Victoria Park in the 90s and this is just bringing the game down and the booing just has to stop not only for the mental health of Adam Goodes but for the good of the game.

    Whether people like him or not Adam Goodes has acheieved everything any player can from the game with 2 Brownlow medals , Premierships and needs to go out of the game on his own terms.
    People might call him a flog but these same people have never played the game at the highest level and never come from a disadvantaged Indigenious background.
    Let’s move on and focus on football and not individual grudges as their have been plenty of worse divisive players who have played AFL and never been booed by opposition supporters on a football field for years.

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  5. This whole situation is completely on Him and the AFL community.

    I personally wouldn’t boo (just can’t be bothered) and I also think it has gone way to far. But what did they expect would happen?

    You tell a huge crowd you’re a racist if you boo. They’re going to say screw you, you don’t tell me what I can and can’t do.

    The media is the only real winner. They love being able to take a side and write an optional piece.

    I think we can judge the AFL fans on how they treat Bachor Houli. Islam-phobia is far more rife in society and he is not boo’d. Does that say something?

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  6. Good on you guys for bringing up this argument. I was at the game and while I didn’t boo, it wasn’t just a small pocket of people booing it was about 80% of the crowd. I don’t mind booing a player if he does something to one of our players (Barry Halls punch on Staker comes to mind) or if an opposition player is having a shot on goals to try put them off. Hell of a players left the club in a bad way give him a boo on his first game he plays us. But booing because everyone else does is a joke. Booing because you don’t like a guy is a joke. You can tell yourself your not racists but at the end of the day Goodes is taking it as racism so it should stop. Yes the guys a flog, the way he handled things with the young Collingwood supporter was disgusting, but I feel for the guy. I was bullied all through school and trust me it sucks. When 30 thousand people boo you for playing the game that you love it’s gonna hurt. I’m disappointed how the eagle fans attacked him, I’m disgusted that two fans were ejected for racial abuse. Give the guy a break, the booing has to stop.

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  7. The question people have to ask themselves is whether they would walk up to Adam Goodes when they saw him in the street and boo him directly to his face. The simple answer is that 99.9% of people wouldn’t, so why do they think it is acceptable to boo him when they sit in the crowd and watch a game of football. I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t like me coming to their workplace and booing them.

    Whether the reason is racially motivated or simply because they don’t like him, booing is just a childish way to act and needs to stop.

    I’m not a Sydney supporter, but I think he has been a champion player (2 x Brownlow medalist) and he deserves so much better.

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  8. I’m not going to talk about whether the booing is acceptable on not, I think that’s been trodded into the ground already.

    But what really worries me is the reaction to this whole situation, both in the media and on the Internet. There’s some great posts here, probably because this is a smaller community, but reading over the crap on Facebook, Twitter and Reddit makes me really angry.

    The people themselves are turning this into a race issue, and propagating the race aspect of it. For every one person that shows their support for Goodesy and praises him for his accomplishment in the game, there’s 10,000 posts hurling all sorts of vitriol at “racism” in general. **** the booers, **** the racists,**** racism, etc etc.

    What these people don’t realise is that that kind of posting does not help. There’s this phenomenon with the media and in politics where, if you pronounce loud enough that something is a threat, it becomes a threat. By piping up the threat your enemies face, they start to see themselves that way and you help them rally support. Everyone that comes out and slams the people booing Goodes for “being racist” is just marginalizing the casual racists and solidifying their racist beliefs.

    You have these people, that are booing Goodes for a bit of a laugh, or because they think he’s a wanker, or whatever other reason, and these people are being told on all fronts on all social media that they’re the scum of the earth racists, no better than their local neo-nazi chapter. Do you think these people are going to admit they were wrong? Hell no, they’re going to say “**** these people, I’ll boo whoever I want” and they’ll double down. And in the resulting cacophony of boos, you’ll find the true racists, the ones that have no problem calling him a monkey noonga ****, and instead of being ejected from the ground and vilified, these people will be hidden.

    The biggest mistake that people make in first world countries today is to overstate threats. Our media is strengthening ISIS, they’re strengthening racism, and they’re causing conflict just for a few bucks. Australia is a great and peaceful place, but watching the news and reading what the average person types under the guise of anonymity, you wouldn’t know it.

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  9. It no longer matters what our opinions are. This issue has spiraled out of control and I personally don’t think there can be a good outcome now.
    It’s a shame the media went so hard after the first occasion at the Hawks game. The media telling Australians how to behave was always going to have a reverse effect.

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  10. “I boo him because he stages for freekicks” – bull$hit, he’s no more worse than half the blokes in the league.

    “I boo him because he did an Indigenous war dance to celebrate a goal” – for christ sake, it was during Indigenous Round that’s meant to celebrate Indigenous culture and its contribution to the game.

    “I boo him because he’s a flog” – what does that even mean?

    “I boo him because he plays the victim” – you know what, if I came from a disadvantaged background and saw that disadvantage impacting on my people, I’d be pointing it out too and fighting tooth and nail to change things.

    The bloke hasn’t assaulted anyone. He hasn’t glassed his girlfriend. He hasn’t slept with a team-mates wife. He hasn’t been done for pissing at a bar or doing lines in a hotel room.

    Goodes is a champion of the game and should be treated with a lot more respect. The booing is shameful in my opinion and I’m disgusted by some of the vitriol spewing out amongst it. I just hope this doesn’t drive him into retirement and his memory be forever tainted by a bunch of mindless idiots.

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  11. There are some great posts here guys and a lot of food for thought. There are always 2 sides to the argument and I am sitting on the fence with this one.
    I am not a fan of racism in any way, shape or form. I am a teacher at a primary school where 82% of the student population comes from a non-English speaking background – they are some of the most wonderful kids you could ever meet.
    There is no doubt that some of the booing is racially motivated – but I wonder what percentage of people are just sheep following the crowd? I suspect the majority.
    IMO Adam Goodes is a good role-model, although I don’t agree with the way he treated the young Collingwood supporter. Sure he has done some silly things, but nothing illegal or overly serious.
    As a professional sportsman, you have to expect to cop some abuse from the opposing team and supporters. (nowhere near as much as Goodes does though). When playing sport, I was always taught to look for your opponents weakness and expose them though this. Obviously Goodes struggles with getting bood, so opposition supporters know that booing can put this champion off his game. If my team was playing Sydney in a must win game to make the finals, I would want to take every advantage possible. If this can be achieved by making a silly, childish noise – then I think that it is fair game, providing that the booing is NOT racially motivated.
    There is no room for racism in this country, but people have the right to be passionate supporters.

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  12. Do people even remember why they started booing him in the first place?

    Titus’ quote is poignant, and a champ of the game deserves better.

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  13. getting sick of all this Goodes garbage. only problem i have with this is he and the media are turning it into a massive racism fiasco. there are over 70 indigenous players in the AFL today and apart from Ryder on the weekend, he is the only one that gets booed. yes there are some racist scums out there but is everyone a racist for booing Goodes. opposition supporters boo players and they tend to attack the very best player the opposition has. People like Buckley got booed his entire career. imo, if Goodes, media and AFL want to make a stand about the booing, dont make it about 1 person or one culture, make the rule for everyone. Because in the end, pertecting someone simply because they are indigenous, means we are simply looking at them as not equals and in my books, makes us just as racist.

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  14. First of all I don’t boo players – I respect all players for actually getting out there and doing something, rather than just sitting on the sidelines saying I could do better. It’s like the old seinfeld comedy sketch where he talks about booing players because they changed teams and now wear a different coloured shirt – doesn’t make sense, they are still the same fantastic player.

    I think the world we live in is interesting. What if people were booing Chris Judd constantly for pulling Leigh Adams shoulder out of joint a few years ago, would that be seen as racist? Probably not, coz Judd is Caucasian. It would just be the ‘act’ he did we didn’t like.

    So, people can boo an aboriginal player and it’s racist, but boo a Caucasian player and it’s fine (apparently)?

    I come from another sport (motor sport) where women can compete against men and all is fair. If I say ‘he’ can’t drive in my opinion that seems to be accepted by most, but if I say ‘she’ can’t drive in my opinion, then I’m somehow considered sexist and I need to give women a chance.

    If a white guy calls another white guy a ‘big ape’ that’s not racist, that’s just name calling, but calling an aboriginal player the same thing is considered racist.

    The world has gone too far with all this BS. No wonder I don’t want kids.

    I don’t have any answers and don’t care if he is a flog or not – I think Lindsay Thomas stages for more free kicks than Goodes, but that’s another story. He’s far better than me at a sport I like watching and for that reason alone I respect the guy. And in my opinion I want the best players we have playing to give us the best games to watch

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  15. This Goodes booing has to stop.
    As long as booing in general is not banned.
    Surely it is ok to boo
    1.when a player is lining up for goal
    2.when a player rips the head off one of your team’s players( but probably only for the rest of that match, or maybe the next match just to remind them you haven’t forgotten)
    3. When and if Kurt Tippett ever plays against Adelaide

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  16. I’ll admit it’s been a little tricky following all of this from overseas, but I wanted to share a few observations from here……….
    As a child born of immigrant parents, I copped a bit of stick in the early days at school, it wasn’t always pretty. Racism has always made me cringe and should NEVER be tolerated!
    This situation with Goodes seems to have blown up since the Sydney/Hawthorn game earlier this year (not the infamous Magpies game from two years ago). A friend of mine (Hawks fan) told me that many of his fellow fans took umbridge with Goodes being AOTY ahead of Shane Crawford (with all his various charity work).
    Booing is nothing new in football. Players like ‘Duck’ Carey, Aker, Plugger, ‘Diesel’ Williams, Rhys-Jones, Bucks & Hirdy were also champions of the game that copped similar treatment each week (not to mention numerous umpires EVERY week). What was essential (or perhaps detrimental) after that Hawks game was the response from the media and the AFL. This has been turned into a racism issue that it wasn’t intended to be. Goodes was already perceived as a ‘protected’ player. Yet never before has a single player been protected from the jeers of the crowd so vehemently. The crowds now know that it’s putting him off his game. With the constant spotlight on this story, it’s become the ‘thing to do’ at the footy.
    Immediately labelling him as a victim of racism was simply wrong from the media and AFL. Immediately labelling everyone booing Goodes as racist or a bigot is an easy cop-out (simple as that, according to Ralphy, Bucks and Chris Scott), similar to labelling every German as a Nazi in relation to the current Greece crisis in Europe.
    What I find most disturbing is the AFL trying to dictate how everyone behaves at the footy. Will spectators be ejected for booing anyone lining up for goal? Or for disagreeing with an umpiring decision? How on earth can you police all of that? A dangerous precedent is being set up here.
    I really hope this clears up sooner rather than later. It’d be a crying shame to see a great career end like this………..

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  17. I remember going to my first match of footy many moons ago. Dermie clobbered someone as was booed the next times he touched the ball. It died down as the game wore on. Its been like this at so many games i’ve been too. I cant believe that its down to racism with Goodes. Living in Italy for many years I’ve been to lots of soccer matches. Ive been an Games involving Mario Balotelli (a black italian player whos parents are from Ghana who was born and raised here) where there have been monkey noises made each time he touched the ball and Bannas thrown. I was shocked and appaled and felt abit sick seeing it unfold. This is racist abuse at its worse. WIth Goodes it seems like its become like bullying. I understand Goodes has made comments that have upset people. I wonder if maybe he needs to hire a PR guru. someone to bounce ideas off and help to project his opinions in a better way. I think its great the way he defends Aborigional rights and highlights problems. I think the way he has worded his opinions hasn’t been great at times. Michael Long did the same and I don’t remember him being booed the way Goodes is. Lets hope people stop it and he comes back to the games and can retire on his terms chair lifted off the ground and applauded by the crowd for the champion and legend of the great game that he is. Booing has a place in the game, but using it to bully the way it has been dosen’t.

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  18. Forgetting the Goodes fiasco for a second….I’m trying to recall if there are many other team sports anywhere in the world where booing is a common occurrence or at least occurs at the level it does in AFL? What about the NRL? Is there much booing when someone lines up for a conversion?

    Cricket perhaps with characters like Warney & KP? What about when Warney got banned for a year when he allegedly took his mum’s medicine? Did he cop any abuse from opposition crowds? (I’m not talking incidents between players here like Monkeygate – I’m talking crowd abuse on a large scale).

    What is the difference here? These blokes seem to be revered the world over by the masses wherever they go. Is it their charisma? Is it their ego or their flamboyance? Would it have been any different if KP or Warney were black?

    If people want to talk dirty, what about soccer players and guys like Suarez? Do they get frequently booed? (I actually don’t know as I don’t watch much soccer)

    I’ve always wondered how bad it looks for our game for an outsider when there is booing particularly when someone is lining up for goal? Does it happen in soccer when a bloke lines up for a penalty? Does an umpire get booed when he makes a howler of a decision in cricket?

    I don’t think we can ever outlaw booing – it has been a part of the psyche of the game for over a 100 years – it is something supporters have always been entitled to – it is their right.

    Perhaps it is just an ugly part of our game that has somehow manifested itself in recent times into an even uglier, more sinister evil by the calculated and incessant booing of one man. Oh and here’s the thing – he’s black.

    IMHO, I think people just need to be educated over time that booing is just an ugly part of our game which does not belong anymore in our modern society and gradually, hopefully over time, we can only hope to witness less of it.

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  19. I’ll be honest, I’m over him.
    Everything is about him. I know he’s a champion of the game etc, I’ll show him all respect for that and standing up for aboriginal rights. But that’s it.
    That whole fiasco with the young girl calling him and ape or gorilla was ridiculous and not racist. He looks like one, white people can and do look like ape/gorilla so I never got why all that crap happened. He’s just a bit precious.
    I can’t believe he got the Australian of the year!!! Are you serious!!! There are way way way more people deserving of the right to be Australian of the year….
    Grow up mate, you let this situation get this far, people are going over board with the booing and it needs to stop. But seriously mate the world doesn’t revolve around you.. End rant.

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  20. Weendog, in answer to your question, in soccer, players get booed all the time. Every set of supporters have a player in the opposition team that they seem to target with a bit of booing etc! Usually this player is quite good at winding up the opposing supporters with his actions, or likes to put a couple of dirty tackles in or something else that makes him the one everyone loves to hate for some reason.
    I am absolutely astonished that the booing during the weekends game has been turned into a racial issue by Goodes, the media, fellow players and supporters. I for one have no time for racism of any kind and any supporters throwing racial insults should be ejected from the stadium, never allowed inside one again and the police should be involved.
    I remember being at the dockers v Sydney game earlier this season and Buddy Franklin was booed every time he touched the ball. So what!! Get on with it. The fans would get fed up after a couple of games and the booing would stop. the worst thing Goodes could do was claim that the booing was because of his race. Can’t help but feel this has been completely out of proportion. The fans don’t like him, simple as that and if they see that the booing gets to him then I’m pretty sure he’ll get another load from some next time he plays!

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  21. The media and AFL have pandered to him, problem is the public are not going to buy it this time… You can’t call fans racist just because it’s convenient for you Mr Goodes…
    Stephen Milne was booed his entire career, he must be shaking his head with all this…

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  22. This kind of debate on SCT makes me nervous.
    Looking forward to the weekend to put all attention back on the football.

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  23. IMO the only person making it about race is Adam Goodes, and prob the reason I would consider booing him and I’d hazard a guess this is also one of the reasons it’s getting worse.

    As a Geelong supporter, I don’t see Selwood missing training because of booing and I’d also hazard a guess if he came out and bitched about people booing him because an umpire awarded him a free kicks then he would get booed even harder.

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  24. Rumour going round is that Richmond will wear their “indigenous” jumper on Friday night in support of Adam Goodes. I’m a die-hard Tigers fan but I don’t agree with this move. Further perpetuating the whole racist argument which it isn’t. Bullying? Most likely. Racist? No.
    I’m with you, Juddlow. Can’t wait for footy to be played again. ……

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  25. I’m quite happy to admit that I wasn’t particularly impressed by Goodes being awarded Australian of the Year and using that platform to bag Australia instead of raising awareness. I firmly believe that a minority of Australians are racist but he appears happy to lump us all in the same category. He just seems to go the wrong way about making his point and I think that’s what many people have a problem with.

    I don’t see that just because we are Australians, we somehow all have to embrace Aboriginal culture. I just want to see good footy and I don’t care if the player is black, white, yellow or purple.

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  26. I just want to bring up that I think a lot of this has blown up in the media, and the more people heard about Goodes being booed, the more people started booing him. It’d bet you most people that booed Goodes didn’t even know why they were booing him. unfortunately for Goodes he’s hit his breaking point. I hope that he dosnt get booed when he comes back. And the talk of Richmond wearing their indijunous I belive is a good idea, I hope all clubs follow suit to make a stand. This is not acceptable and it has to stop now. Most supporters are genuinely good hearted people, it wasn’t so long ago that opposition players stood together and supporters cheered them on. #westandasone

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  27. Did Nicky Winmar or Michael Long get booed when they brought indigenous awareness to the footy field 20+ years ago? I can’t remember them receiving anything but plaudits for the classy way they did it.

    Do the events of the past several weeks mean that 20+ years on we as a football community have all of a sudden become racist?

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  28. Words from Julie Andrews, an Aboriginal woman and lecturer in Aboriginal Studies, about addressing race issues in Australia.

    “When Kevin Rudd said, ‘sorry’, many white people thought it was the end of the conversation; for most indigenous, though, we saw it as the start”.

    Food for thought.

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  29. Adam lost the fight on racism when he called the White people of Australia theiving rapists. He has become that which he stood against. Trying to Martyr himself is a losing fight now. As soon as he made that pre pubescent girl the face of racism in Australia he lost all credibility as a “racism activist”

    And the fact of the matter is that while we all sit here with our opinions. Nobody really gives a shit, and maybe that’s half the problem. This will all be old news in 3 weeks and the boos will continue. Anyone who watches him play has the right to boo him, just like he has the right to complain about it. He now has the mindset of a victim, citing racism as the only possible reason people dislike him. I don’t know about the rest of you but I don’t think a man who immediately plays the race card at the first sign of adversity is the man young children, predominantly aboriginal, should be looking up to.

    Champion footballer, average human being.

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  30. I dont like goodes one bit as I reckon he plays for free kicks and it really outraged me last year when he left ground and bumped duckwood in the head but goodes didnt get suspended so I think he gets special treatment which is unfair, also think he is playing the victim game but I would hate to see him leave the game, he is a champion player

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  31. Goodes was a quality player which is past his prime.. He has to give it up & just move on.. He can’t cope with todays game.

    Now to serious talk, i cant stand him 1 bit. i use to idolise him back in the day but now he is a complete sook. look at gavin waganeen or lance franklin for e.g aboriginal players who have done it all been good & bad on & off the field. copped boooos & just kept playing the game. You say 1 thing to goods its world war 3.. Let it go mate & just quit the game if you can’t handle it.

    I went and watched manchestery city vs roma & Reheem sterling was getting boood the whole 90mins… Are we racists for that? NO

    I am a australian born with a turkish background & i love this country. Most of my mates are australian & i am proud to be in this country. I have coppd it on the pitch aswell but thats just the opposition fans doing everything they can to put me off my game so that there team wins. I love the passion fans give whether they cheer or boo its a place where we put everything behind us & just enjoy a WIN or even a proper attempt.

    Cyril rioli copt a few boos last night does that make us racists? NO

    His just a professional athlete who hasn’t won australian of the year, never won a brownlow… HIs just a professional who lets the footy do the talking…

    Let you footy do the talking or you can do the WALKING!!!!!!!!!!

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