The season is finally here, and it’s great to not be talking about NAB Cup form and it’s amazing how fast we forget about the NAB Cup when the real-deal starts. Anyway, here is the BS’s first crack at a Rookie Review for 2012.
My Top Five Rookie’s (<$200k) of the week:
1) A Kennedy (Mid/Fwd 113k) Kennedy was one of the stand-out rookies for GWS on debut picking up 28 disposals and cracked a ton scoring 104 in his first hit out. He turns 20 this year so slightly mature age, and was recruited from the Western Jets. He has the added bonus of being a DPP which is the only reason he edged out Smith and Magner for top billing.
2) C Smith (Mid 116k) Everything that is said about Smith references how hard he is at the ball and what an ‘inside’ player he is, and all I would add is, ‘they are right’. Smith was taken at Pick 17 in the draft and picked up 13 disposals layed 3 tackles and kicked a lazy 4 goals if you don’t mind umpire. He’s still young at 18 (until May) and it is rare to see someone that young come into the AFL and be at the bottom of the packs, so I think Smith has something special. That said, I hope his game style doesn’t work against him when he attacks the ball against a bigger body and comes of second best, so hopefully his body holds up. Worth noting Clay’s high score was achieved despite being subbed off.
3) J Magner (Mid 94k) The bargain basement price tag should not put you off, Magner is an antagoniser who doesn’t mind getting in the face of his opponents, but I guess that also comes with being a mature age recuit at 23 years old. Mager picked up 23 disposals and kicked a couple of goals. His score of 102 is slightly inflated (by 10-15pts) as he got a few cheap free’s and one that resulted in a goal. Actually, his first two kicks were goals, with the ball not even making it back to the centre bounce. That said, don’t let it put you off, the boy can play and go at it as hard as anyone. Also worth noting that the Dee’s elevated him off the rookie list at the end of the pre-season..
4) T Mohr (Def 124k) The Bear is a big unit at 195cm and 98kg’s, I can’t see him smashing out a 150 any time soon, but because of his bigger body I feel he will handle the rigors of AFL a little better and be able to go body on body with his opponent. I also thought he showed pretty good poise for a big man. He picked up 16 disposals and layed 3 tackles and I’d suggest can play either full-back or centre half back. The Bear scored 86 in his first hit-out and suggest he has pretty good job security compared to some of his team mates and will probably deliver 60-90 most weeks.
5) J Giles (Def 126k) A big 199cm 101kg ruckman, I thought Giles held his own against Mumford particularly in the hit-out department. Mummy certainly had him covered around the ground but Giles was very solid in the ruck contests and finished with 12 disposals and a goal to his name. He’s not quite a Zac Smith style ruck but I’d suggest he’ll knock out the occasional hunge. That said, probably every SC team already has Giles, so will not go-on.
Here is the rookie data for you to analyse in your spare time:
| R1 SC | SC Average | Games | Player | Pos | Price | Team |
| 104 | 104 | 1 | A Kennedy | Mid/Fwd | $113k | GWS |
| 102 | 102 | 1 | J Magner | Mid | $94k | MELB |
| 102 | 102 | 1 | C Smith | Mid | $116k | WBD |
| 100 | 100 | 1 | J McDonald | Mid | $106k | GWS |
| 88 | 88 | 1 | T Bugg | Def | $113k | GWS |
| 88 | 88 | 1 | J Giles | Ruck | $126k | GWS |
| 86 | 86 | 1 | T Mohr | Def | $124k | GWS |
| 85 | 85 | 1 | T Greene | Mid | $146k | GWS |
| 85 | 85 | 1 | T Milers | Fwd | $124k | STK |
| 80 | 80 | 1 | W Hoskin-Elliott | Mid | $181k | GWS |
| 80 | 80 | 1 | R Stanley | Fwd | $176k | STK |
| 79 | 79 | 1 | C Gutherie | Def | $184k | GEEL |
| 71 | 71 | 1 | J Redden | Ruck | $113k | PORT |
| 71 | 71 | 1 | C Wingard | Mid | $171k | PORT |
| 65 | 65 | 1 | J Mellington | Fwd | $170k | FREO |
| 62 | 62 | 1 | P Bower | Def | $157k | CARL |
| 62 | 62 | 1 | J Hombsch | Def | $113k | GWS |
| 59 | 59 | 1 | S Coniglio | Mid | $191k | GWS |
| 55 | 55 | 1 | A Hall | Mid/Fwd | $106k | GC |
| 55 | 55 | 1 | D Smith | Mid/Fwd | $131k | GWS |
| 50 | 50 | 1 | M Clarke | Def | $170k | COLL |
| 50 | 50 | 1 | B Ellis | Def | $126k | RICH |
| 49 | 49 | 1 | C Hampton | Mid/Fwd | $113k | GWS |
| 46 | 46 | 1 | B Smedts | Fwd/Def | $113k | GEEL |
| 46 | 46 | 1 | J Cripps | Fwd | $162k | STK |
| 44 | 44 | 1 | J Paine | Fwd/Def | $106k | COLL |
| 44 | 44 | 1 | A Tomlinson | Def/Fwd | $156k | GWS |
| 43 | 43 | 1 | J Tynan | Def | $106k | MELB |
| 40 | 40 | 1 | J Cameron | Fwd | $113k | GWS |
| 40 | 40 | 1 | J Townsend | Def | $113k | GWS |
| 35 | 35 | 1 | D Gorringe | Ruck | $192k | GC |
| 34 | 34 | 1 | D Shiel | Mid | $113k | GWS |
| 30 | 30 | 1 | S Morris | Def | $113k | RICH |
| 30 | 30 | 1 | T Dickson | Fwd | $106k | WBD |
| 28 | 28 | 1 | I Folau | Fwd | $124k | GWS |
| 24 | 24 | 1 | N Wilson | Fwd | $113k | GWS |
| 17 | 17 | 1 | J Boumann | Def | $113k | HAW |
| 16 | 16 | 1 | O Stephenson | Ruck | $106k | GEEL |
| 16 | 16 | 1 | D Tyson | Mid | $186k | GWS |
| 11 | 11 | 1 | P Seedsman | Mid | $113k | COLL |
| 6 | 6 | 1 | P Yagmoor | Def | $106k | COLL |
| 5 | 5 | 1 | H Cunningham | Mid | $94k | SYD |
Yes a little frustrated ATM. Come on Hawks, lift.............ffs!
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- Well 3/5 in my team isn’t bad
- Still not sold on C Smith, see how he goes this week
- Might have to bring in Mohr come round 3, probably for Lake. I want to hold onto Morris, Ellis and Clarke for now
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I was watching the WBD game last night to see Smith in action and keep an eye on Lake. Smith looked pretty composed. I also noted that Lake did look out of touch and gave a away a number of frees which would have murdered his score. I personally am not fussed with the Lake low score and will stick with him, I’m very confident he will come good. Perhaps not to the heights of a couple of years ago, but I’m sure he is miles better than any other 200k player.
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I noticed Claye Beams just missed your $200k cut off BS, nominated Rising Star for r1……………Not sure why Magner didn’t get it personally! I even thought Clay Smith might have been in front of Beams with his 4 goals, 13 touches & 4 tackles!
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Sorry, just realized that you have to be younger that 21 at the start of the season to be eligible ( Magner is 24 )
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Nice work BS!
What’s the go with the Big O?
Does this worry anyone running with 1-0-3 rucks?
Giles – 88
Redden – 71
Big O – 16
Total – 175
On a good SC day, Cox could outscore the total of all three. Ok it would be a very good day…
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Big O was out of his depth against 211, but who isn’t. He’ll prob get one more chance to prove himself against an average Hawk ruck outfit which is about their only weak link.
Also, If you look at your ruck like a Mid or Fwd rookie then you’d prob take a 71 or 88, as I assume you’ve reinvested that cash in one of the other lines, so I’m pretty happy with it. Though Big O has cemented himself on the bench with Redden and Giles fighting it out for a spot on the field.
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Any news on Magner’s ankle?
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He’s tweeted its all good but he could be foxing.
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Nah, not foxing. He’ll play. Dees were deplorable. He was one of maybe 3 positives to come out of it. And especially with Sylvia down, he will tough it out. Guaranteed to line up.
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Omen, he walked off with absolutely no pain after the game with his team mates. He’s as hard as a cat’s head, he’ll play.
BTW, I was a bit surprised he didn’t get the r1 nomination for the Rising Star Award…..I thought he’d be a shu-in personally!
Not sure how they do the scoring or however it works but I would have rated Magner, C Smith then C Beams in that order!
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Disregard O, Magner is actually 24 y/old & you have to be younger than 21 to be eligable I just read!
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Thanks for clearing that up lads.
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I have the first 6 rookies. Yeah!
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bet u dont crack it..
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Got all but smith, still not to sure about him, had a great game against us but can’t see him kicking 4 goals a game. Thought McDonald was a bit stiff to nit get a mention BS but I suppose a suspension counted against him
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He got subbed half way through the third dont forget that….
If he stayed on he could’ve ended up with 120 points in a convincing loss…
At the very least he should be able to pump a few 75+ games which will see his price go to 300k in about 4-6 weeks
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I didn’t realize he was subbed, suppose he’s not really a ‘rookie’ either
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Hey Matteo, Old Mac would have probably got a mention, but a 2 week suspension made it a little pointless for people looking to trade in…. but fair call, he was pretty good on the night.
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Yer fair point mate, no point naming him if you can’t pick him
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If Brick has another day out this week, I’ll be dumping Ledger and jumping on the Brick express.
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Hey PA, You’re doggies man…. what do you think about Lake?
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Was playing a shut down role on Cox/NicNat whilst Hargrave was the loose man in defence. Hard to gauge from just one game and with a new coach its going to take us a few games to see what role is expected from Lake.
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Fair chance a straight swap is on the hands between Hargrave and Lake for those of us that flipped a coin and took Clarke to free up some cash.
Here’s hoping the former Harris can recapture some old form against the Cows next week.
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dempsey??? got port and the suns in the next 2 surely a huge price rise is on the cards
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Lake is the elephant in my supercoach side.
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I might even do it this week if Smith is named and Ledger is not.
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If you’ve got coverage in your mids I don’t think waiting a week will hurt but if you don’t then the trade seems reasonable.
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I’ve got Ledger and OldMac on the bench. Worried that Magnet might not come up or be a late withdrawal and I consume a donut for dinner on Saturday night.
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Fair call.
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one to keep a eye on this week is Tommy couch if he get a game
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anyone still got shiel in there team? and how do ppl think he will go after last weeek
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From all accounts, the man is a gun – he had limited game-time during NAB due to injury. My guess is he’ll come good, very good.
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Will hang onto him for a bit… He can warm the pine if Smith and Magner are going to keep churning out tons in losing sides.
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Definately has the makings of an SC Scoring Machine. My knock is that due to his age, and maybe also because of his limited tank, he will be in the Green Vest alot. I think he won’t see too many full games. Will play though so handy to keep on the pine, but if you want a Cash Cow, probably wait a couple of weeks and get one someone else.
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I think he was subbed last match because he had had no AFL match practice before that, and he wasn’t used to it. Give him 3-4 weeks and he will be the new Curnow IMO.
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I know you can’t reverse trades on the iPhone, are you able to reverse on the iPad in safari?
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Yes, as you are just accessing the site via the web.
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Cheers for that
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u can do it on the mainsite on iphone too. i hardly use th app, i prefer to look at my team from field view, rather then grid view.
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Mohr was a last minute decision and the last selected in my team. Definately built and played like your typical Full Back, and that is what really put me off. But it was evident in the last 1-2 Pre Season hitouts that he was gradually being let off the leash. Sydney game proved it, was great to see him actually getting off his opponent for a bit of a run, and linked up well with the others. And this is probably a sign of things to come, because I don’t think he is strong enough for a lock down role on a decent key forward. Will have to play on them yes, but he will have to hurt them going the other way. Might not score the 80+ every week, but if he is allowed to run off like the Syd game, he won’t be far off.
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Slow day today so I’ll pose this one to you all: Is it leagal to have a public competition (Supercoach) whereby the rules on scoring are not fully disclosed to the public?
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Never thought of it like that. Not bad for outside the box THC!
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I don’t get it…
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Its your choice to play it though HC….( not being smart)
And it adds to the mystique for mine
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Well how to you verify that the final numbers are legit? There is no transparency in the scoring system. It could be open to abuse.
Imagine you had a lottery that was not transparent in the way the numbers were drawn out – they whole thing could be open for abuse. This is why they televise the lotto draws each week and there are people from the gaming commission watching on.
Just saying it would make for an interesting legal case.
#cant_trade_round_1_so_just_passing_time
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I know where your coming from THC, but the legal case would be farcical. They state on their website that the numbers are adjusted based on player value to the game at the time etc. its subjective to an extent. Are the courts going to review all 198 games minute by minute, possession by possession during the court case to establish rational decision making? If you haven’t lost any money, there would be no case. Unless you could prove fraud and you are owed prize money. I too would actually watch that court case though
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Imagine the last game of the season and you are neck and neck with another guy to win overall. It comes to the last play, Chappy feeds out a contested handball to Motlop who goals from the boundary line 50 metres out. All the subjective bonus points go to Motlop, but you had Chappy as captain (because they are playing Gold Coast) and he has his good score scaled down (because of the max number of points per game and the fact Motlop’s score gets increased for kicking the winning goal). Now, your apponent had Cloak missing due to general sorness and Motlop is his emergency. He wins overall by a few points and you loose $50,000. Maybe then you want to know more about the scoring system?
Yes it’s a contrived example but not outside the realms of possibility. Anyway just an interesting aside from the day to day supercoach talk
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No in that case Yioryakis they would just make them change the scoring system to a more transparent and understanding system…..Simplified…Kick +4 Handball+2 etc…no weighting at time of game perhaps no 3300 rule…. A plyer that got 20 kicks and 4 handballs and 4 tackles would score the same as the next bloke that got exactly the same stats…
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I’d sue them!!
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You should patent that Leo, sounds like you’re onto a winner
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I’m no lawya THC, but I would have thought if they’ve declared that the the formula is not fully disclosed (intellectual property), then they’ve covered themselves. Unless they’ve commited a fraudulent act in the process.
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Great work BS
I like the format of the rookie list, scores etc
easy to read and very helpful
Keep up the good work boys
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got 6 out of the top 7, dont have mcdonald but have the others
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too late for the 1.0.3 ruck stucture?
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Great data. I have just a little suggestion: put the data in to 4 categories, ie positions. easier to see who’s the top def/mid/fwd rookie and so on.
Otherwise great work.
Hot debate. What do you think?
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Bugg and Mohr impressed me a lot with them as my only two rookie backs.
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who do you think will score bigger points this week S Coniglio or C Wingard? i think coniglio may but not sure
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Coniglio I think as well mate:D
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Thumbs Up: J. Magner
Thumbs Down: C. Smith
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any ideas on if kerrige from adelaide and pfieffer from port will be playing this week?
gonna be interesting with gws playing sunday and only knowing squads. :/
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not sure on pfiffer but will get a game this year at some time but with the Power getting a win last week, will be hard for him to get a game this week so i think he may have wait little longer till he puts the boots on
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I’m pretty sure all Sunday teams final 22 plus emergencies will be confirmed by around 5.30 Friday….final lock out wont happen until the game starts some 2 hours later! You’ll be fine remps!
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look like Dean Brogan and power along with Tom Scully may be coming back this week, all not on the injury list
http://www.gwsgiants.com.au/giants-injury-update-round-2.html
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hartlett, sloane or kennedy.
feel free to comment guys.
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Great write up BS i always look forward to ya rookie reviews
I also wanna say this is my 3rd year in supercoach 2nd on this site and last year i was a bit shy and didnt realy have much knowledge of fantasy footy and didnt really comment on anything. I would only put my team up and ask for advice.
But now i feel that i have the knowlege to help others and give advice.I would like to thank Motts,BS,and Duck i think you guys run a excellent supercoach site and ive learnt alot about supercoach off you guys.and ive also learnt alot from other coaches on the site such as PA,OMEN,JUDDY,DEANO,OLLIE, and THC etc etc etc.
Ok now for my strategy for this week i wont be trading at all ill be persevering for another week with Ledger,Dickson and Wilson and ill be keeping an eye on the weekend for possible replacements Clay smith and Adam Kennedy if they have another good match they will be in.But for who i dont know yet.
Ok thats my rant and rave for this week guys Good Luck to all Coaches and GO BOMBERS………..
Team Name rd1 Score Overall Ranking
Dazza’s Allstars 2,137 26,945
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Welcome aboard the SCT express Dazz, great to have you on board and a ripping first up score I might add. The apprentice has become the master….. And no need to be shy.
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thumbs up – sloane
thumbs down – kennedy
Hot debate. What do you think?
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Do prices start flucuating after Round 2 or the end of Round 3? I’m pretty sure it is after three games – just checking… Cheers!
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round 3 im pretty sure.
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Yep, prices go up after a persons 3rd game. So remember that old man McDonald will not go up until after his round 4 and 5 games (if he plays after suspension)
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Great review!!
Quick Q guys…..
Mumford –> kreuzer (breakout year?)
Luke Parker –> Stanton (won’t get 180 weekly, but nice start, and likely price rise)
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Gday Ben my advise to you is be patient with Mummy he looked half asllep against GWS and he still almost scored 100. IMO he will get more consistant high scores than Krooze. Krooze will have a good year but you get premos for a reason not to trade em. You should only trade premos if you get LTI
Brent Stanton-I would wait and see how he goes rd2 and if he tears it up again jump on he could be a good POD
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Ben, Hold your trades mates….. I’d suggest they are both bad trades. If you want to get rid of Parker, get a good rookie after next week….. but Mummy is a definite keeper per Dazz’s reasoning…..
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why a people hating on Mummy? guy was hardly in the game n knocked up 90+. the guy is a premium ruck and anyone suggest/flirting with the idea of swapping him for the Kruze are only chasing last wks points. by yrs end, im thinking Mummy may be the dominant ruck in AFL and for sure a set & forget SC player. if Kruze is flying he could be a good upgrade target mid yr, but y trade out Mummy when there is a big chance u could end up trading him back in?
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Nicely done big fella……………………Rusty who?
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any thoughts would be helpful!
Thinking if i should do two trades and be aggressive early?
1 lake for mohr
2 brought for clay smith (push lids back to backline)
keep cash 0f about 536 k looking to buy pendles, sam mitch, or murphy rounds 3 or 4. Already have bugg,magner,sheild,mcdonald,kennedy,hall as rookies, plus other ie hampton,hombosch,ellis,giles redden,morris
thoughts welcome?
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i am tempted to see if Dickson gets named this wk, if not, i “may” trade him for Milera, the only thing stopping me is his JS.. can anyone give me more info on him and if he is likey to play over Saad? cheers guys..
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HGR …if in doubt dont trade em out.
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If i burn 2 trades (Lake and Shiel) I could have this team of rookies….. Kennedy, Magner, Mohr, Giles, Bugg, Macdonald (6 of the top 7)
+ Redden, Hall, D Smith, Clarke, Ellis, Hampton (12 from the top 23 total)
thumbs up……why wait, get those 2 cows now then sit tight.
thumbs down…do nothing. (Lake and Shiel will come good)
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