Footy Banter – Dec2018

Written by Schwarzwalder on December 10 2018

Are you getting the urge to talk about footy?  SuperCoach?  Statistics?  General footy news?  Then this is the thread for you…………

Whatever you want to discuss in regards to football can be posted here……….

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  1. At last!! When do we expect full position and prices, chomping at the bit , Danger will be first picked……I think….unless they put a ridiculous price on his head for DPP…what price is too much for the great man?

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    1. I’m guessing Team Picker will be available this week for Gold subscribers. If we’re nice to Huttabito, he might just get one ready for everyone else (same as last year).
      Official launch for general public was late January last Pre-Season. See what happens this year.
      In any case, SCT will be warming up for the Pre-Season before Christmas and have regular articles after the New Year. Good to be back 😉

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  2. Top 10 most expensive SuperCoach players
    1. Brodie Grundy (Coll) $708,200 ruck (av 130.5)
    2. Tom Mitchell (Haw) $700,800 mid (av 129.1)
    3. Max Gawn (Melb) $692,100 ruc (av 127.5)
    4. Jack Macrae (WB) $689,700 mid (av 127.1)
    5. Patrick Dangerfield (Geel) $660,500 mid/fwd (av 121.7)
    6. Patrick Cripps (Carl) $648,200 mid (av 119.4)
    7. Clayton Oliver (Melb) $622,700 (av 114.7)
    8. Nat Fyfe (Frem) $618,100 (av 113.9)
    9. Josh Kelly (GWS) $617,800 (av 113.8)
    10. Jake Lloyd (Syd) $608,200 def (av 112.1)

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    1. So the blessed number for calculating your premium prices (anyone who played 8 or more games last year) is 5.428622.
      While the prices above look high, this is actually slightly less inflation than I predicted based on previous seasons (it was 5.498 last year).

      This is good news … relatively 😉

      Well at least it means I can afford ALL the premiums I’ve pencilled in for 2019, with a little bit more left over for rookies. It also suggests baseline rookies should be priced at approx. $103,100 in 2019 (as opposed to $102,400 last year).

      Can’t wait. Good to be back.

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  3. 🙁

    I don’t know where to start. As a Carlton fan, Sam is one of my favourite players, so I’m devastated for him. But it’s devastating for the club in general. He’s our co-captain for a reason – our backline was an absolute rabble without him last year. I had been very confident of a decent jump up the ladder this year, but suddenly I’m a tad nervous about having sent our first-round pick to Adelaide. The continued development of our (very talented) youngsters, our mature-age recruits, and a much healthier injury list (Docherty notwithstanding), all mean that it should still happen, but you can’t lose the best half-back flanker in the competition and not feel an impact. Not with our list demographics.

    I really hope this doesn’t end up as another Alex Johnson-type situation. Re-doing the same ACL shortly after coming back is not a good sign. Docherty will be a coach someday; Bolton has frequently refereed to him as being like having another coach out on the ground, and, by 24, he had already done all the coaching courses. He certainly has his post-football career worked out. But I hope for his sake that he doesn’t have to transition into it sooner than expected.

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    1. I’m am Essendon supporter still devastated about 1999, and I generally enjoy anything negative about Carlton. But even I draw the line on this news.

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    2. Bro we’ve been tortured with injuries for last few years i’m still in shock after docherty went down, after getting into the aa 40 in 2016, aa 2017 then to do 2 back to back acl’s my heart goes out to him he was in peak performance 🙁

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  4. Hey guys welcome back! Shame about doc. But with super coach preseason starting and I know it will be covered in depth as we go along,but just quickly does anyone see the new rules changing things much? Just a quick thumbs up or down for now.

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    1. The new kickout rules are the only thing that I could see having a real effect; we will have to wait for confirmation from Champion Data on how they’re going to adjudicate it before we rush to any conclusions, though.

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        1. I’ve always thought that sc points should not be counted from a kick in until after the defender has disposed of the ball to someone other than himself….this rule change should ensure that.

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            1. I have gold sub and keep getting referred to the BBL SC. Am thinking the new scoring rules will come when gold team-picker opens?! I hope so. Will only be starting J Lloyd if there are points for kick-ins, otherwise I’ll wait until he is the inevitable Fallen Premium 🙂

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              1. Wighty is spot on with old rules and old scoring. Kick to self didn’t count but next kick/handpass did. Kick-ins from the square didn’t count.

                Meant that there were some anomalies where a player who roosted a 60m barrel from the kick out without playing on got didly squat but if someone chipped it to themselves then handballed to their teammate in the pocket got points.

                One of many anomalies in SC soring. Don’t get me started! I could write a whole thread on things that i want clarified by the mysterious boffins at Champion Data.

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  5. I’m surprised it doesn’t mention Zac Williams (should be around $360K, averaged 94 in 2017) or Joe Daniher (should be around $285K, averaged 86 in 2017, and is turning 25 next year – the beginning of his athletic peak as a KPP).

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  6. So the team picker comes out this week for gold users, I’m assuming there will be some sort of update, as when I currently try to log into mine it asks me to do the bbl with no other option.

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  7. I tried to subscribe to supercoach gold season pass yesterday and keep getting sent to digital news subscription , have had gold subscription last few years but cant seem to get on at the moment.

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    1. I did the ‘special offer’ digital subs for three months at $15/mth and that has got me in. I’ve put a reminder in my calendar to UNSUBSCRIBE at the appropriate time. Won’t need/want it by then 😉
      Good luck with it Bruce.

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        1. Will be very interesting to see how he performs at Carlton and if he will be the major beneficiary from the Docherty injury.

          2017 and 2018 SC Avg when disposals equal/exceed 20: 97.42 from 12 (low of 80 and a high of 151, 8/12 below 100)

          2017 and 2018 SC Avg when disposals below 20: 65.31 from 16 (low of 24 and a high of 90, 12/16 below 80)

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  8. Hello everyone!
    With the arrival of the 2019 Supercoach Team Picker imminent, this is an early call-out for anyone interested in putting together a Team Preview, as part of SCT’s buildup to next season. It’s a good chance to take a closer look at your team from a Supercoach perspective, as well as providing a useful resource for all of our loyal audience.
    We already have reviews covered for Freo and Hawthorn. Matteo and Roo Bloke, I’ve pencilled you two in for the Eagles and North respectively, but if you can’t find the time for it just give us a yell.
    For anyone wanting to cover the other teams, just leave a reply below and we’ll take it from there. We’ll be trying to stick to Huttabito’s format from last season as much as possible (use the search box for ‘Team Review’ to get an idea of it).
    Cheers everyone

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        1. I’ve already written it. It goes something like this …

          Nothing to see here. Even Gresham’s not worth a punt.

          THE END

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    1. Of course Chillo. Will sit down and write something up over early January. Got some serious SCT summer homework with the North review, Crystal Ball comp and SCT Cup plus whatever else my craft mind conjures up for the site.

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    2. I’d be keen to do Carlton, although I am aware there are a few SC Talk legends that also barrack for Carlton and have done write-ups in the past, so I’m more than happy to let them do it if they want to 🙂

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  9. Def: Lloyd, Whitfield, Williams, Newman, Williamson, Scrimshaw (rook, rook)

    Mid: Macrae, Cripps, Yeo, Duncan, Zorko, rook, rook, rook (rook x2)

    Ruc: Grundy, Mumford (hopefully playing R3)

    Fwd: Danger, Heeney, Dunkley, Greene, Setterfield, rook (rook x2)

    Happy to be back

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    1. I think Mumford has a two game club suspension for the coke thing. Greene….love to have him as fwd come finals, but no way will I trust him over a full season. They have outlawed the kick..he’ll find another way to get suspended.

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  10. Still can’t get past the bbl option, what’s the deal?Doesn’t even give me the option log out and log back in. I’m SC gold.

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    1. I had to do it through the article on their HS website, rather than the URL or App.
      It’s a bit clumsy too. Still, managed to take up four hrs of my time last night!
      Hope that helps

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      1. That was as I figured, log in through the web page and find the team picker from there.Selected a very rough side , it actually makes me shriek when I look at it!!

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            1. Thanks Sainter. I look forward to our banter again in 2019. I found that page ok but when I login…it only shows my magnificent 2018 team !!! Cant believe I actually had a trade left.

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              1. Below the green banner at the top should be Team Picker 2019 in white bold letters. Click on that.

                Goodbye “magnificent team”, hello 2019 😉

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                1. Aargh…you mean under the green part of ‘SupercoachAFL” ? I only see a grey box with nothing in it.

                  2018 taught me so much which will surely boost me higher in 2019…only top 100 will be acceptable !!

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  11. Anyone know if Foxtel still gets you free Supercoach gold? Has worked for me the past 2 seasons but I can’t access the team picker.

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  12. So is Gawn shaping as a pod this season? Got scared off Grundy last year because of Cox, so I’m locking Gawn in so far, if he rolls on too many points lost.

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    1. Perhaps. It might be more that the arrival of Preuss is worrying a few people; change breeds uncertainty and uncertainty suggests risk.

      As far as the ‘backing it up’ thing goes, the lack of consistency with top 2 RUCs is actually no different to any other line, percentage-wise. It is just that there are more of them on other lines, either 6 or 8, so it appears more stark. It actually isn’t that long since you could set & forget Cox and Sandilands at the beginning of the year, job done. There is no reason why that circumstance can’t reoccur. Indeed, the longer it has been since that time, the closer we are to it happening again. Maybe 2019 is that year.

      All that said, I prefer Reg over Max for the reasons I gave before (earlier in this thread I think), but there are no right or wrong answers. It’s simply their prices that make us nervous 😉

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      1. Except on your other lines the combined score will be around par for most coaches given the depths of those lines. But if you go head to head with set and forget rucks Vs your opponents second stringers your going to more than likely win that match up(rucks) if everyone performs realistically to their average as hoped.

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        1. Fair point, but last year was the exception rather than the rule. Both being SO consistent and durable made a mockery of past data/stats.
          If you think they’ll both deliver again, then it is certainly worth considering forgoing premo FWDs and to a lesser extent DEF premos to make that happen. While the top 1 or 2 in these positions traditionally standout (eg Lloyd, Laird this year and Danger next) the rest tend to be much of a muchness or can be picked up later. Add to this that there are plenty of underpriced and breakout potentials on these lines that you could fill a book, it’s a strategy I’m seriously considering.
          There’s a shit load to think about and having convos like this is what makes it all a bit easier in the long-run.
          Or not 😉

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          1. I believe Gawn is good for 600 first 5rounds. I’m locking him in. So far… Ever have this feeling that you just cursed a player…

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            1. You’ll be fine mate. GEE and GWS both have horrific starts to 2019. Won’t bother Danger, but it’s why Kelly (especially) and Cogs will be on my WATCHlist rather than starting. I hope they prove me wrong 🙂

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  13. Dual JJ Liston trophy (the VFL’s answer to the Brownlow) winner Michael Gibbons will train with Carlton, in the hope of getting a spot on the list under the new SSP rules.

    There are two things worth taking note of here:

    # 1. He’s a prolific midfielder at VFL-level (and is widely viewed as AFL-ready), turns 24 next year, and, if he makes it onto an AFL list under these rules, will be bottom-priced. LOCK HIM IN.

    # 2. Looking at a midfielder to take Docherty’s list spot implies that Carlton is confident it already has the player(s) to cover his absence. Hello, Newman!

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    1. Finally Gibboms gets a go. How he was overlooked this year I will never know. Would’ve particularly hurt seeing teammates Bewley and Cavarra get their opportunities ahead of him. Could be three Willy boys playing Rd1 next year!

      I’ve no doubt he’ll grab the opportunity with both hands.
      It’s heart-warming to see something good come out of such a sad situation.

      Lock him in.

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    2. Just had another look at some of his stats. Just a lazy 25 disposals, 5 tackles, 4 I50s and 1 goal straight in the one-point Prelim loss to eventual flag-winners Box Hill.
      Bring it on!

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  14. Here’s version 1 of 100,000 of my team this year, rookies for the most part are educated guesses.

    DEF: L. Whitfield, C. Blakely, Z. Williams, G. Birchall, T. Williamson, M. Hore, (H. Wiig, J. Koschitzke)

    MID: T. Mitchell, P. Cripps, C. Oliver, N. Fyfe, A. Brayshaw, S. Walsh, L. Stocker, N. Hind (I. Mosquito, J. Bytel, I. Hill)

    RUCK: B. Grundy, M. Gawn (L. Meek)

    FWD: P. Dangerfield, J. Dunkley, C. Wingard, I. Rankine, W. Setterfield, S. McAdam, (B. Cavarra, M. Walker)

    Thoughts, queries, concerns?

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    1. Looks great. Same backline, but a fit Darcy Moore (DPP) will trump Birchall (too old) for me.
      Will be finding room for Dusty too as he wasn’t fit for most of 2018 so am expecting him to bounce back. Merrett perhaps too.
      Which A Brayshaw is that? I’m only half-kidding 😉

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  15. Version 1 for me,
    Def-lachie whitfield, luke Ryan, Alex whitherden, Zac williams, rookies.

    Mid-tom mitchell, jack macrae, Nat fyfe, Dustin martin, Zach Merritt, rookies.

    Rucks-max Gawn, Brodie Grundy, rookie.

    Forwards-patrick Dangerfield, Isaac Heeny, Toby green, Joe daniher,rookies.

    Starting the big guns, banking the points, prioritise Lloyd and laird as first trade ins. Either daniher and green play well or are easy upgrades.
    So possibly 15 genuine keepers in starting line up. Mids to target are cripps, Oliver, and Neale. As for forwards just see what the season brings.
    Obviously daniher and green are very tentative.

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  16. My first post here and first attempt at a team. Kinda like the structure of my lines but the ruck line scares me a little. Martin has done me well over the last 2 seasons and will be a great POD. Do I drop a super premium in my DEF or FWD to get a Gawn or Grundy or look at them for a Naismith as my first upgrade?

    Defenders

    Jake Lloyd $608,200
    Rory Laird $587,600
    Nic Newman $394,100
    Brodie Smith $332,500
    Tom Williamson $189,500
    Jack Scrimshaw $149,800

    Sam Collins $188,900
    Noah Answerth $117,300

    Midfielders

    Patrick Cripps $648,200
    Nat Fyfe $618,100
    Lachie Neale $607,300
    Elliot Yeo $585,500
    Zach Merrett $544,800
    Brad Crouch $418,000
    Ely Smith $117,300
    Irving Mosquito $117,300

    Charlie Constable $123,900
    Tobe Watson $102,400
    Brodie Riach $102,400

    Rucks

    Stefan Martin $573,700
    Sam Naismith $251,400

    Darcy Fort $117,300

    Forwards

    Patrick Dangerfield $660,500
    Toby McLean $514,000
    Michael Walters $476,800
    Toby Greene $354,600
    Will Setterfield $144,900
    Connor McFadyen $117,300

    Kieran Strachan $118,900
    Jordon Butts $102,400

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    1. Not sure. Am gonna start Grundy, but that’s just my choice.

      Personally I’m worried about Laird. I know he’s been super consistent the last few years, but the two games Brodie Smith did play last year, Laird scored 76 and 84. Don’t know if this is just a coincidence, but raises a big enough question mark for me to put him on my Watchlist rather than starting him. Again, just my thoughts, and we’re still miles off season’s start …

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      1. He’s currently out of mine. He wasn’t as good after injury and Brodie won’t help.

        Also, the byes. Whitfield, Williams and Newman share the r14 bye.

        I cannot carry 4 premo defenders with an R14 bye.

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  17. I think this is the year of the mature rookie. With that in mind, my current team is as follows. Cant get on to sc gold yet as it only allows BBL so cant place any of the rookies yet.

    Hurn, Williams, B Smith, Hanlley, R/R/R/R

    Titch, Oliver, Merrett, Dusty, Cripps, Libba, Viney, R/R/R/R

    Goldy. Naismith, R

    Heeney, Danger, Smith D, Bennell, Setterfield, R/R/R

    The mature agre rookies that I like at this early stage are Cavarra, Bewley, Gibbons, Collins.

    Cash is $140k and average price I have allowed for rookies is $130k. Obviously some speculative choices in Bennell and Hanley, but great $ upside and pts if they fire. Going to wait on Grundy/Gawm for R2. Reckon Goldy without Preuss is about to rediscover form of a few years back…great finish to 2018.

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    1. Nice one Wighty, but Bennell is currently only available as a MID.

      I know Hanley is a great price, but only one full season in the last four and he’s over 30 now. But like you say, big risk, potentially bigger reward …

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      1. Thanks Sainter…I’ll switch Bennell for a mid rookie. I reckon one of the mid mature rookies might take his spot anyway. Agree with hanley…he was my love child !!

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  18. Wooh. Just tried Huttabito’s most very excellent spreadsheet (Thanks WPS FREE) and…. damn…

    Those byes are killers for defensive premos.

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  19. My team v1.0

    Defenders

    Jake Lloyd $608,200

    Harris Andrews $480,100

    Zac Williams $407,800

    Nic Newman $394,100

    Sam Collins $188,900

    Jack Scrimshaw $149,800

    Christopher Burgess $123,900

    Marty Hore $117,300

    Midfielders

    Tom Mitchell $700,800

    Jack Macrae $689,700

    Patrick Dangerfield $660,500

    Lachie Neale $607,300

    Tim Taranto $481,600

    Dan Hannebery $326,100

    Sam Walsh $207,300

    Bailey Smith $180,300

    Brett Bewley $117,300

    Luke Valente $117,300

    Nick Hind $117,300

    Rucks

    Brodie Grundy $708,200

    Shane Mumford $320,200

    Darcy Fort $117,300

    Forwards

    Isaac Heeney $529,200

    Josh Dunkley $516,300

    Toby Greene $354,600

    Izak Rankine $198,300

    Connor Rozee $189,300

    Will Setterfield $144,900

    Curtis Taylor $117,300

    Boyd Woodcock $117,300

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      1. LDU might actually be relevant in 2019?! Finished well in VFL, another pre-season under his belt and a fair bit cheaper than Sam Walsh.
        Not for me, but just sayin’

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  20. Nothing whatsoever to do with SuperCoach, but Sydney has announced that they will have THREE co-captains next year: Parker, Rampe, as well as Kennedy.

    Now, I don’t mind the co-captaincy thing, but three seems to be pushing it. Any thoughts?

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  21. Is anyone else as keen on Dylan Roberton as I am?

    Has average over 90 twice and is priced at around 55.
    If he can average 85 he will get to around $450k.

    I have always rated him so I might have some sort of bias in my views.

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    1. My ONLY concern would be the heart issue. Will wait the whole pre-season to decide, but if he’s good to go … lock and load.
      Fingers crossed, we need him 🙂

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  22. Finally got to download SC Planner……my first draft team went out the window. This side probably will be very different come rd 1, but it ticks all the boxes re byes, captains loopholes (Carter at Freo and Sweet at Wbd), dpp m/f’s, r/f dpp’s. Obvious weaknesses, but 14 keepers to start, and $164.9k
    Will get one more rookie as form allows, and go with one c loop.

    Hurn, Williams, Smith B, Rance, Wigg, Collins, Carter, Wilkie

    Titch, Oliver, Cripps, Dusty, Zerrett, Viney, Stocker, Setterfield, Bewley, Cox, Watson

    Lobb, Naismith, Sweet

    Heeney, Mundy, Smith, Danger, Cavarra, McAdam, Parker, Bines.

    I hope they know where to send the cheque !!

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  23. Just a thought Whitey.

    I’m considering a F/D dpp ( Swinging donut.) for my captains loophole. I feel it has the best potential to maximise points in either forward or defence and gives alot of flexability in being able to make trades later.
    I also believe midfield rookies( especially mature ones ) have the best chance of generating cash.

    Thoughts?

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    1. Hey FT

      I’m also thinking of using two loopholes (due to lack of rookies), but with FRE being the side to ‘set and forget’, they also have two DEF/MID dpp’s at minimum price.

      This strategy will allow you to GUARANTEE your VC score (if it comes good), while also maximising rookie pts on field. You’ll be able to do whatever you want for the first five RDs, and close to that until the byes 😉

      Definitely worth considering 😉

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      1. We agree again Sainter…Carter was chosen cause of early late time slots and dpp. Watson in mids for same reason although I hope to find someone from Doggies for late in the season as 2nd loop.
        Question is can we afford to have two non cows ?

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        1. The amount of rookies being dropped or injured you will probably end up with 4-5 loop holes without forcing it.

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  24. This is a genuine question which I think everyone would like to know the answer to.
    In regard to players doing their knees. Has A, anyone come back successfuly the following year? B,did they maintain their average there abouts? C, were supercoach relevant to begin with?
    I am genuinely interested in the answer to this question. There may be an obvious one but I can’t think of it from the top of my head.

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    1. Can’t think off the top of my head. Is it Zac Williams that concerns you? If so, while he didn’t play home and away, he did average 97 in two finals appearances at the end of this season, with a 77 and a 117. Hope that helps.

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      1. Yes, he definitely concerns me. Feel a trap with him. If I’m wrong he won’t be worth so much that he’d be hard to get in. But I just can’t select players with bad knees unless they’ve shown they have got over it. Yeah even Docherty, I wouldn’t have started him and especially him and Williams together.

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        1. I hear ya. Am thinking Newman would be ahead of Williams for the same reason. Though I’m not convinced either will be top 6.

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          1. Just in at afl site, Mitch mcgovern at Carlton has fractured his back. So what could this possible mean for Newman…

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            1. It’ll mean absolutely nothing for Newman, they play completely different positions, even if we were planning on playing Gov down back (which we weren’t).

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          2. I think two games late last year, plus another six months with no problems will be enough for me to include Williams. Was although thinking Birchall at the price, but not any more !!

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    1. No one with absolute confidence. Heeney at a push. Dunkley if he retains the ‘run with’ role in the middle.
      Will most likely start with as few as I can, based on Cows availability. Hopefully only Danger, Heeney and Greene at F3 (fingers crossed he gets up). FWDs will be lowest priority for me, given they tend to offer the lowest elite average output and is a harder line to predict.

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    1. Dev Smith.
      Should be a safe pick again up forward. Tackle machine in an improving side. Theres a chance Shiel may steel some midfield time but I still think he is still a very safe pick.

      Heeney is a tease. If he got more midfield time he could be elite. I just think the Swans rely on him so much forward. He should still be top 3/ 5 forward easily.

      I’m tempted by Robbie Gray.
      Under the right conditions he could be the no 2 forward for the year. He has a great SC pedigree.We all need Hinkley to put him back in the guts.

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  25. What’s everyone’s view on the Bont? Because I feel he could explode this year IF Bevo gives him enough time on the ball because he is arguably their most effective midfielder.

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    1. That is the big IF for me. Couldn’t agree more, but I won’t be picking ANYONE in the MID-line, who frequently spends time up FWD, eg Martin, Danger (FWD’s OK of course) and the Bont. It’s a shame cos he is a gun. He’ll be on my watchlist, but I’m wary of Mr Magnets! Fu3k I love that name 😉

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        1. I believe they are talking about Luke Beverage.

          He seemed to throw players into different positions at the end of last year.

          Hence the nick name “Mr Magnets”

          Merry Xmas everyone. 🙂

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  26. What are people’s thoughts on the ‘failures’ of last year?

    Billings, Hibberd, Savage, Luke Ryan, Zorko, Dusty etc.

    Personally I’m thinking I’ll go back to Billings and Zorko since they recovered towards the end of the year and are hence potentially underpriced (albeit riskier).

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    1. Billings – quite possibly
      Hibberd – I don’t know enough
      Savage – may not be in the Saints best 22!
      Ryan – again I don’t know enough
      Zorko – just too old for me, but could be wrong. Might be a good starter, to side/up trade come the byes
      Martin – if he was spending so much time FWD last year because he was nursing an injury from about Rd5, and goes back to the middle proper, then he could be a top 5. He’s a watch for me.

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  27. Yeh it’s a great name, I love it too! I agree, it is a risk and it’s that risk that has him fighting for them last spot along with about 4 others at the moment. Will be a wait and see

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  28. Where’s the SUPERCOACH TALK banner gone that was at the top of the page?!?
    Is it legals or something less sinister?! I’m hoping the latter :0

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  29. Thoughts about putting zerrett at m6 instead of having an f3 player because they cost around the same but zerrett will (barring something going wrong)score better? So forward would be 4 rookies on field. Asking because no forward stands out from the pack so why gamble on them. Cash generation might become an issue, but other than that…
    With this line of thinking your forwards are your priority upgrades, walters, franklin will get injured, gray and heeny will have bad games, dunkly and smith, who knows what they will bring this year. So there should be alot of 400-450 options to select from the forwards when cow culling time arrives.
    Obviously this is all hypothetical because i don’t know how any player will perform this year, but besides the probable cash generation(hopefully off set by forward upgrades being cheaper than mid upgrades) does this line of thinking have any merritt?

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    1. I am with you original, forwards are least inspiring line again, except for danger who knows? Will be going danger , dunkley (at this stage)and four good rookies. It’s a long way till round one though.

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  30. In theory yes.

    In practise, I’m not so sure.
    Forward rookies are often given defensive rolls, meaning low stat counts. They rely on tackles /scoring goals and assists to score and often score less than any other line.
    Averaging in the 60 point range.
    Mid rookies on the other hand will almost always score more, think 80/90 ppg.

    There are always a few forward rookies that shine, and average more, averaging in that 80 point range.( I’m talking to you Setterfield.)
    Counting on 4 forward rookies to do it ,would be too many in my book.

    We wont really know until JLT when we see who’s playing and what their roles are.

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  31. So in regards to my previous post on selecting merritt at m6 and Freo Tragic’s respone with the rookies, i present this idea.
    FORWARD- Danger, Smith, Heeney, Green, Dunkly 3X rookies.
    Due to not being able to chose a forward that will stand out, I’ve selected them all with one rookie on field. The defense is running only laird and the rest rookies.
    Due to the forward premiums being cheaper than the defense ones and defence rookies scoring generally better than forwards. Your in a situation of your forward premiums out scoring your opponents rookies by alot, but your defense rookies being outscored by your opponents premiums and probable mid pricers by not as much, so a win.
    Using this template i have built a team with 13 genuine keepers who will all be in the top tier of their positions. No risky players/mid pricers etc. If you like build a team using this D1, M5, R2, F5, and see what you think. I cant think of a defender to put in over any of the mids.
    Thoughts?(yes i know you need defense playing rookies)

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  32. Interested to know why there seems to be a fair drop off on Big Maxy at the moment,
    Third on ave and aggregate last year, talk of Preuss affecting him but he didn’t get a game at north even when Goldy wasn’t in good form.
    Gawn will be rucking to one of the best mid-fields going around,got him and Grundy
    in at the moment!

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    1. Totally a good move, but not for me.
      It’s not just Preuss (which may be irrelevant, but is a risk), it’s what picking Longer (StK) affords me on other lines and in AGGREGATE onfield pts from the start.
      If Longer averages 70 and Gawn 125, you are still better off with Longer and using the saved cash elsewhere.
      I’m not sure Max will average 125 and I think I’ve also underestimated Longer. It’s those figures that make me say no to Gawn AND Grundy. One yes for the pts and C/VC OPTION, but not both.
      I went Grundy, and only just, but cos I think he has more upside whereas Maxi is already at his peak on the key stats (age, years playing and past injuries).
      All that said I still don’t think it’s a bad decision, it’s more the fact that in the RUC position you only have two onfield. Set and forget at the start is very limiting. Other lines afford greater margin of error.

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      1. OK. Lol. Not being a smart Alec just asking. I always hear the line money to be spent elsewhere. Which I believe is very situational. For example. If I downgrade Gawn to goldie or whomever, same as titch or macrae etc.
        I now have extra funds to use. So I can upgrade a rookie to a mid pricer. No thanks you should already have the ones you want penciled in. Or I can upgrade a mid pricer to a premium, who I selected for a specific reason to begin with. Or I can upgrade/sideways a couple of premiums for roughly the same type of player. Or can upgrade a premium to an uber premium so why downgrade in the first place. Or I can bank the cash, when I could have had an extra uber premium from the start.
        So when downgrading ubers for cash what will you spend it on?

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        1. I haven’t got it all worked out of course, but getting to the end of last season the better teams were talking of being at full premo, at the moment i am thinking that gawn and grundy will still be only rucks in top 20 players so I’m happy to start with them!(at this stage)

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  33. This is the beauty of SC , there is no absolute right or wrong way to go about it. If your team balance is good you are in with a chance.

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    1. Not starting Oliver for that reason, also only starting 4 mids, and building around the byes, but of course if there are any fallen uber premiums I’ll jump on them early.

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      1. Just remember 18 players score during the byes.

        It doesn’t matter where they are playing. Its all about evening out your Premos playing over the byes.

        You can fit in Gawn and Grundy you just can’t have too many other premos with the R13 Bye.

        Also you will have both your rucks playing for round 12 and 14.

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    1. If he’s getting high midfield minutes then he’s pretty much a lock for mine. However I think with the loss of wingard for next season, Gray is really Port’s only dynamic small forward (and arguably the best small forward in the game) and should therefore play predominantly forward, which is a shame because I’d rank him as a top 10 (AFL not SC) mid easily when playing on ball.

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  34. Someone was asking the question about Houli’s presence having a negative impact on Jayden Short’s SC output. In short, it does:

    Short ave’d 85.8 in 2018, scoring 1887pts from 22 games, the home and away season.
    Short’s ave. when Houli played (incl. two finals) was was 79.4 from 15 games in 2018, with only one 100+ score, and
    Short ave’d 91.2 in the 9 games Houli wasn’t playing, incl. four 100s (and two of those were 110+).

    Hmmmmm, the long and Short of it? If Houli’s fit and playing, stay away. For now!
    Well spotted, whoever brought the issue up (sorry I can’t find the original post)!

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      1. I also made a few comments on my biggest conundrum in SC.

        They are about half way through the Initial team 2019 thread.

        Great to see so much action on this site so early in the preseason.

        Keep up the good work.

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