Where and when: Morwell Recreation Reserve, Sunday 8 March, 3.50pm AEDT
Watchlist:
Darcy CAMERON (COLL) FWD/RUC @ $123,900
How will he go with Grundy back in? How will they split the ruck duties? Will have even get a run today? Let’s find out.
John NOBLE (COLL) DEF @ $215,400
Despite having the name of an 18th century barrister, he looked very adept last week in defence. Could have better job security than some of the top shelf defensive rookies many of us have been looking at. Consider.
Dylan ROBERTON (STK) DEF @ $260,400
Great to see him back. Story could get even better if he pops off in defence and comes as a reprieve to the rabble of rookies we’re faced with.
Jade GRESHAM (STK) FWD/MID @ $456,500
Limited to 59% TOG in Marsh One, but looked tremendous in that first half. Team high center bounce attendances for that first half and looked very solid in the midfield. Hopefully we get a fuller picture today.
Dan Hannebery (STK) MID @ $417,000
Teased us in the last three rounds of 2019 with scores of 122, 94 and 103 on return. Not a lot of intel on his pre-season work, but being named on the ball today should tell us all we need to know.
Notable Absentees: Trent BIANCO (COLL), Adam TRELOAR (COLL), Jake CARLISLE (STK).
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Keen to see how Roberton fits into the new Saints backline, will be interesting …
Hanners could be a very good M5 for 8-10 rounds if he stays fit – should score 100+ and make us some $$$
At his price, it also allows mid pricers in FWD and DEF given the lack of first year rookies available
Roberton and Noble shaping up to be my F3 and F4.
Comes at the expense of Houston @ D3, but a “guns & rookies” structure is difficult to do without rookies lol.
Grundy showing the form highlighted by a contributor in the Team reveals last week. I gave it a thumbs down but maybe I should go back and cancel that out. He’s getting easily beaten around the ground and matched in the ruck. Not worth 700k on that form and if the other comments that I read were were true he’s not even worth 500k. Lets see what happens in next 3 qrtrs
Don’t be fooled by the marsh series.
Read the same comment last season and people who started without top 2 ruckman paid the price during the session.
Can’t live in the past Tonestar and from what I’ve seen in the present he’s not worth 700k. You can base your team on last year if that makes you feel safe but the bloke has been soundly beaten in every game that he’s played this year and that was against some very ordinary rucks. He’s been very lucky so far today with umps paying ‘benefit of the doubt’ and not calling back centre bounces that have gone way left and almost straight to him. He’s no Max Gawn and will easily drop 150k before the byes. Gawn and Jacobs is the better ruck combo to start when there’s such a shortage of good rookies
“beaten in very game that he’s played this year”.
He’s played 2.5 games. Hardly a sound sample size for you to write him off.
There are things called practise games gunboat. Maybe learn about preseasons before commenting so you dont look so ill informed
Jog on mate
Last years Grundy concerns were due to him having a foot injury and not playing pre-season games at all. Bit of a difference this year when he’s getting beaten by rucks like Pittonet
Good point there too Doctor.
Second question, how we looking with the coronavirus? We will survive till end of footy session at best?
Stock up on dunny role tone and then camp out the front of coles selling it for $10 a roll. You’ll need a truck to take home the cash
Doc must of been one of those nuffies who traded Grundy to Wethoff last year
I also don’t get why De Konig played before Pittonet.
He’s a Forward first ruckman second, Mckay Curnow cooked he slots in
It’s more a question of WHICH of the top 2.
I can afford one of. Grundy has underwhelmed me.
Also seriously, why is Cameron not playing? He was awesome last week.
Guess it’s to do with contracts.
Anyone have scores??
Fanfooty server is down
Will do the HT scores.
Am enjoying watching 2nd-yr Callum WILIKE give Jordan “who thinks he’s god” DE GOEY a bath 😉
Wilkie, King, Marshall , Clark all look promising AS, i just don’t like our midfield or Membery unfortunately, love for them to prove me wrong though.
Agreed. Marshall and Wilkie look very fit and up for it. How’s King’s leap and think I prefer Clark behind the ball. Back six will be hard to pick this year but we won’t be able to drop Wilike on this form which means Carlisle may struggle … until Geary goes down!! Nice problem to have!
MIDs
Steele looks good defensively but a little off which surprises me, Dunstan doing his usual thing but we’ve been second or third to everything at the stoppages. Disappointing. Don’t forget no ROSS or GRESHAM today tho’.
Don’t mind Membrey personally .. he’s the only FWD we have who can kick straight! But when he’s dragged up the ground he struggles! He’ll be right.
Enjoying it.
Hope so mate, feels like we need a couple of stars to push up ladder.
Surely Darcy CAMERON gets the gig ahead of Mason COX?! He is awful for his size.
It would be nice, Cox might be a 1 hit wonder he’s not authoritive or aggressive enough.
I think Cameron is too much of an embarrassment for how much they just paid to keep Grundy
Apologies. Will do the HT scores as soon as fanfooty is up & running again. Seem to be having problems.
Ht scores
Howe 84
Daicos67
Pendles 50
Noble 43
Grundy 33
Crisp 26
Long 72
Steele 63
Paton 55
Wilkie 53
Billings 49
Roberton 44
Clark 32
King 26
Marshall 13
Steele 63
Ht scores
Howe 84
Daicos67
Pendles 50
Noble 43
Grundy 33
Crisp 26
Long 72
Steele 63
Paton 55
Wilkie 53
Billings 49
Roberton 44
Clark 32
King 26
Marshall 13
LONG is looking more and more like the best pick of those cheap FWDs. Playing loose off HB, which he has all pre-season and is looking like his spot to lose.
He’s priced as a FWD pocket from last year. Big ROLE CHANGE (so ignore previous numbers) and is lapping it up!
Only concern is the constant re-jigging on the Saints’ backline. Carlisle’s out today, Roberton’s back in, Clark’s having a quiet one. Who knows what’ll happen in the opening rounds.
Pretty sure he [Long] played at HB in Marsh One and put up a 60~.
fair point GD and it’s risky, but he could make a lot of money quickly.
You’re right, he did only score 64 from 80% TOG in MS1, but he’s also being pushed up the ground a bit which is when he tends to go missing (witness last qtr) but he’ll score enough to be onfield and make you a minimum $100k I reckon. Best case, he could make $150-200k and looks like he’ll be given a proper run at it.
Yes it’s a fair investment and could go sideways but I like what I saw in the first qtr of both games and that’s more likely to be the set-up come Rd1.
Hmm, compelling.
Would you rate him above Hately at a similar price now Taranto is out is the big question.
Interesting Allsaints
If you had to choose from
Roberton or Long who would you select.
both. They’re on different lines!
Know they are on different lines but can choose 1 as have a few D/F options Brander, hill , Dawson
AS. What will Noble need to average, and for how long, to get to 300 – 350k?
will run the numbers and get back to you, but he’s a LOCK for me. Elite kicker and reads it well.
Cheers.
Yeah, also a lock for me-just wanted a rough idea of how long I’d have him for.
A rough guess based on Father D’s Cow Growth tables from last year (http://supercoachtalk.com/cow-growth-reference-tables-2019/) is Noble needs to average just under 75 to get to $350K at the bye. Low 60s would get him to $300K at that stage.
Ah, yes. Perfect. That was the exact table I had in mind. Cheers, Chillo.
He looks really good. 70 odd aren’t numbers to excite but they are good reliable rookie numbers for a defender and would see a 150k gain over time
HALF-TIME
numbers are SC score followed by TOG%
COLLINGWOOD: 5.2.32
Jeremy Howe 85 87
Josh Daicos 68 79
Jamie Elliott 64 71
Scott Pendlebury 54 68
Tom Phillips 53 87
Jordan Roughead 49 96
Brody Mihocek 48 86
Chris Mayne 46 78
John Noble 44 84
Taylor Adams* 41 66
Rupert Wills 41 71
Jack Madgen 39 83
Steele Sidebottom 37 85
Brodie Grundy 34 82
Brayden Maynard 33 81
Darcy Moore 33 85
Jordan De Goey 28 78
Jack Crisp 27 81
Mason Cox 19 89
W. Hoskin-Elliott 16 82
Callum Brown 12 86
Jaidyn Stephenson 11 70
Josh Thomas 1 9
Tyler Brown 1 2
ST KILDA: 4.4.28
Ben Long 73 86
Jack Steele 64 83
Ben Paton 58 74
Callum Wilkie 54 87
Jarryn Geary 51 78
Jack Billings 50 85
Dylan Roberton 44 88
Dan Hannebery 43 64
Zak Jones 39 74
Luke Dunstan 38 73
Hunter Clark 33 90
Dougal Howard 31 89
Tim Membrey 28 77
Bradley Hill 27 77
Dean Kent 27 76
Max King 27 77
Patrick Ryder 27 81
Josh Battle 24 49
Daniel Butler 20 79
Ed Phillips 18 60
Rowan Marshall 14 83
Jack Lonie 13 82
Jack Sinclair 10 87
3QT scores
Again, SC pts and TOG%
COL: 6.2.38
Jeremy Howe 122 88
Jordan Roughead 82 97
Josh Daicos 80 78
Chris Mayne 77 72
Darcy Moore 77 85
Tom Phillips 76 84
John Noble 75 89
Jack Madgen 67 85
Jordan De Goey 66 75
Jamie Elliott 66 75
Rupert Wills 62 71
Jack Crisp 60 83
Brodie Grundy 56 84
Brody Mihocek 49 90
Steele Sidebottom 47 82
Scott Pendlebury 47 49
Brayden Maynard 44 65
Callum Brown 36 84
Taylor Adams* 35 75
Tyler Brown 26 25
Jaidyn Stephenson 23 72
W. Hoskin-Elliott 18 81
Mason Cox 17 86
Josh Thomas 13 28
STK: 6.7.43
Jack Steele 88 81
Ben Long 74 87
Bradley Hill 72 74
Zak Jones 71 80
Dougal Howard 71 85
Luke Dunstan 70 70
Jack Billings 69 87
Dan Hannebery 61 66
Patrick Ryder 61 82
Ben Paton 54 80
Jack Lonie 52 81
Callum Wilkie 52 81
Dean Kent 48 79
Jarryn Geary 47 76
Tim Membrey 45 80
Dylan Roberton 44 84
Hunter Clark 41 84
Rowan Marshall 29 80
Jack Sinclair 27 83
Max King 26 72
Ed Phillips 25 68
Josh Battle 21 36
Daniel Butler 19 78
Nicholas Coffield 15 26
Not SC-relevant, but ROUGHEAD is proving a great recruit for Collingwood
What’s the Ben Paton story AS
noble in pies best 22??
only played the 3 games in 2019 for an avg of 57
Jimmy, Noble was a mid-season recruit. He also played in both finals. This is his first full pre-season. With Langdon on the sidelines I think Noble will fit in the best 22…he is in my team atm…..M.
How can you get a -1 thumbs down? Is that like another thumbs up?
FULLTIME SCORES
Again SC scores and TOG%
COLLINGWOOD: 9.3.57
Jeremy Howe 135 91
Jack Crisp 114 87
Chris Mayne 103 76
Jordan Roughead 94 95
Jamie Elliott 93 74
Tom Phillips 88 86
Darcy Moore 88 77
Steele Sidebottom 87 82
Josh Daicos 84 81
Jordan De Goey 76 73
John Noble 74 86
Rupert Wills 72 69
Brodie Grundy 65 86
Jack Madgen 62 85
Callum Brown 59 83
Brayden Maynard 56 72
Brody Mihocek 48 88
Scott Pendlebury 46 36
Josh Thomas 43 45
Mason Cox 42 86
Taylor Adams* 35 55
W. Hoskin-Elliott 35 77
Tyler Brown 35 39
Jaidyn Stephenson 35 75
ST KILDA: 10.8.68
Jack Steele 123 81
Luke Dunstan 107 72
Jack Lonie 105 84
Bradley Hill 104 77
Dougal Howard 98 86
Jack Billings 92 83
Ben Long 86 89
Zak Jones 85 77
Tim Membrey 83 83
Dan Hannebery 69 62
Patrick Ryder 68 79
Josh Battle 64 53
Dean Kent 63 80
Ben Paton 63 76
Dylan Roberton 60 82
Callum Wilkie 59 86
Rowan Marshall 56 75
Hunter Clark 55 79
Jarryn Geary 50 68
Jack Sinclair 34 79
Daniel Butler 28 82
Max King 27 70
Nicholas Coffield 26 46
Ed Phillips 24 49
Noble locked in, Howe very, very intriguing…
Really tempted to go Roberton to Howe right now
Haven’t seen HOWE look that good for a long time!!?
both?!?
noble not best 22
He played both finals last year……M
Howe just came in for Houston.
Worth noting the Taylor Adams out.
Look at Howe’s end of season output.
The problem with STK this year is gonna be picking keepers with their Rd11 BYE and needing 22 on field that week. Same goes for PTA. Might still consider Dan HOUSTON as a keeper, but think ROBERTON and LONG are genuinely good upgrade picks.
I thought NOBLE was that good he has to be best 22 and thought Tyler BROWN just got better and better, but with Pendles, Adams and De Goey being rested in that last QTR, we can’t expect too much.
Thoughts?!
I hate that Long is still listed as a forward, if he was dpp I’d be all over him
But real tempted to bring him in as a pod, though it’d be interesting to see how he retains that role when Webster comes back into the side
Doesn’t matter mate. You’ll be rid of him come Rds 5-7. DPPs can be useful, but should NEVER sway your initial selections. Especially if they’re not any chance of being keepers. Focus on the points (if they’re gonna be onfield) and the money obviously. You HAVE to go for the best, regardless of position (DPP or not).
Good points All Saints
Roberton has been in and out of my team like Docherty . Seem underpriced but been out of footy along time and other players have developed in meantime .
Noble looks good and will lock in for now however quanor and Bianco waiting in wings if he has a down game .
Tyler Brown was compared to Fyfe by Bucks last year but like GWS many options in midfield . Trealor back rnd 2 , wills and Sier all pressing
Biggest threat with Roberton is if Long plays that role it’s gonna cripple Roberton’s scoring.
He’ll still go up, but not back to elite levels.
Tyler Brown looks just a natural footballer, might not be starter but a rookie downgrade during the season, he’s bigger than his brother & Daicos so I think has more flexibility.
Grundy is Gone i’m not starting a player for 700k who can’t even go 90+ in pre-season and cameron will return yet and help round the ground in R1. Grundy has also got his payday nothing too play for in 2020 watch him fall away.
ROB & Jacobs it is. catch me if you can i’ll be miles ahead of the competition 6-8 rounds in 🙂
Huge call Matty. Good luck if you go for it. Can’t go past Grundy for me.
With you here AS, Grundy is a lock for me, especially seeing his past 3 matches against WB (English) have been 160, 174, and 152…
might see a bit more from ENGLISH this year, but yeah. Over 22 games, I can’t see anyone beating him at R1. For that reason, I don’t care how much he costs.
AS – see my comments yesterday on English … not too bad, but when it counted in last quarter, Hoff was all over him … I think next year, with a full season under him, better skills, bigger tank and more size, he will start to be very enticing …
not sure i have it in me too go ROB & Jacobs tbh AS haha
Gawn & jacobs though yes.. grundy in the origin was meh & i didnt watch the game today but just what i’ve read he was average! and i do believe post huge pay day contracts players drop off or peak when playing for a huge payday. just look at dusty Grundy may be the same. I wont be starting him
Grundy or Gawn? Grundy worried me with the contract talks and the talk about going “home”.
He stayed for the money, no question.
Can he find the desire to play for the prison stripes when his heart is elsewhere?
I don’t know. We’ll find out. But I’m thinking more and more I will find out without paying 700k for him.
I also think Cox is clearly not better for the Collingwood best 22 than Cameron, and that places a significant threat to Grundy.
HH
Grundy his own man and if he decided to leave to Adelaide confident he would have received same remuneration .
No doubt There was carrot of returning to Adelaide however has some great relationships at Collingwood
Took a photo of that comment!!!
seriously … he made 34 HO’s against the opposition 38 for two rucks … and gave away 3 free kicks.
He didn’t have his best midfield around him and clearly his taps were picked off …
Yeah, don’t pick him … lets see where you finish!
What are people’s thoughts on Rowan Marshall.
1- Will Ryder have a big impact on his scoring?
2- Does the St Kilda R11 bye turn you off?
Rd11 turns me off TBH. I’ve had him at R2 since Gawn’s knee, but it simply creates too big a hole in Rd11 now.
If we had a decent R3 option it may be worth the risk, but CAMERON playing VFL and Xerri on the extended bench make it hard.
I WILL reconsider if Xerri has another good game tomorrow and is named Rd1 tho’.
If I was Rhyce SHAW, that’s what I’d be looking at for the long-term. Wouldn’t you?! It means he could manage Goldy to have another huge year and get some games into a genuine future prospect from what we say in MS1.
*saw
PS Marshall will have a big year this year. Ryder the chop-out and coaching Rowan at his RUC craft. Was a little unlucky today, but he’s definitely up and about!
Unlikely to score as much as last year sharing the ruck duties.
Add Round 11 bye and it’s a huge no.
Best two rucks will still be GG. Neither will match last year’s output, but any plan that hasn’t got both in your end of season best 22 is a plan based on a flawed assumption.