Kreuzer v Hille

Written by Motts on June 1 2010

They’re both about $440k and both have the ability to bust out a big one (Krooz’s top score for the year 140, Hille’s is 152). Right now, who do you like more?

Which premium Defender is coming into the TEAM this week (two choices)

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  1. My prediction is 50/50 – this could have something to do with my chronic inability to (not) make decisions.

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  2. I have Cox and Sandilands in the ruck so I’m not even acknowledging other Ruckman at this stage. Sorry to rain on ur parade and be so negative to ur poll, but apart from this week the last month has resulted in massive ruck scores thanks to my big 2.

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  3. Hille and Krooz are my two ruckmen so watching them carefully, Hille has done better than I’d hoped, and Krooz has done a little worse…. That said, this brings them back to even money…. but given it to Krooz by a wisker…. however, if Hille keeps kicking goals, I could easily be persuaded the other way.

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  4. Wondering if anyone could rate my team as it is now and highlight any major areas i need to improve on.
    Backs: Gilbee, Waters, Maguire, Hodge, Malceski, Goodwin, Enright
    Midfield: Ablett, Selwood, Montagna, Gibbs, Barlow, Pavlich
    Rucks: Hille and Naitanui
    Fowards: Chapman, Didak, Brown, O’keefe, Higgins, Pods, Fyfe.

    Emergencies [From Def->Fwd]
    Silvangi, Schmidt, Bastinac, Banner, Lobbe, Warnock, Gumbleton, Rockcliff.

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  5. hey everyone,
    wondering if anyone could rate my team or if they have any advice, or ways that i could improve, comments much appreciated.

    DEF: Goddard(VC), Hodge, Malceski, Gilbee, Enright, Waters, Hunt (EMG: Davis, White)

    MIDS: Ablett(C), Swan, NDS, Watson, Barlow, Judd (EMG: Bastinac, JKT)

    RUCKS: Sandilands, Hille (EMG: Warnock, Lobbe)

    FORWARDS: Chapman, Pavlich, JB, ROK, Higgins, JPOD, Ziebell
    (EMG: Rockcliff, Gumbleton)

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  6. Thinking of trading mcglynn for Didak coz of the dpp and Bradshaw for either goodes or Rok what are your thoughts

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  7. Motts could you run a poll i have Petrie(FWD) and 8 trades remaining i am also trying to upgrade my forward line and defence over the coming weeks should i:
    1.Get rid of him
    2.sideline him
    3.Bring in Tipet for a ruck bench and swap them around

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  8. Down and Out in Round 11

    ADELAIDE
    Nathan Bock (adductor) – 1 week
    Brett Burton (knee) – 4-5 weeks
    James Craig (hamstring) – 2-3 weeks
    Trent Hentschel (knee) – 3 weeks
    Chris Knights (foot, plantar fasciitis) – indefinite
    Brodie Martin (knee) – indefinite
    Brad Moran (knee) – indefinite
    Andy Otten (knee) – season
    Bernie Vince (ankle) – 1 week
    Will Young (knee) – 6 weeks

    BRISBANE LIONS
    Jed Adcock (foot) – indefinite
    Jared Brennan (ankle) – 2 weeks
    Jamie Charman (ankle) – 4 weeks
    Xavier Clarke (knee) – indefinite
    Josh Drummond (knee) – indefinite
    Niall McKeever (knee) – 5 weeks
    Daniel Merrett (hamstring) – 2 weeks
    James Polkinghorne (thigh) – TBC

    CARLTON
    Dennis Armfield (quad) – test
    Paul Bower (quad) – test
    Ryan Houlihan (hamstring) – test
    Chris Johnson (wrist) – 1 week
    Kane Lucas (hamstring) – 1 week
    Simon White (knee) – 2-3 weeks
    Chris Yarran (thigh) – 2 weeks

    COLLINGWOOD
    Jarrad Blight (ankle) – 1-2 weeks
    Anthony Corrie (knee) – 1-2 weeks
    Leon Davis (calf) – test
    Tristan Francis (quadriceps) – test
    Josh Fraser (ankle) – test
    John McCarthy (hamstring) – 1 week
    Shae McNamara (knee) – test
    Paul Medhurst (foot) – 1 week
    Sean Rusling (calf) – 1 week

    ESSENDON
    Jake Melksham (sprained ankle) – test
    Henry Slattery (bruised ribs) – test
    Cale Hooker (hamstring) – 1-2 weeks
    Jason Laycock (foot) – season

    FREMANTLE
    Michael Barlow (hamstring) – test
    Greg Broughton (foot) – 2-4 weeks
    Paul Hasleby (back) – test
    Des Headland (knee) – 4 weeks
    Luke McPharlin (knee) – 6-8 weeks
    Brock O’Brien (quad) – 6 weeks
    Alex Silvagni (ankle) – test

    GEELONG
    Joel Corey (knee) – 2 weeks
    Marcus Drum (eye) – 2 weeks
    Steven Motlop (shoulder) – indefinite
    Brad Ottens (foot) – 2 weeks
    Max Rooke (knee) – indefinite
    Matthew Scarlett (hamstring) – 2 weeks

    HAWTHORN
    Max Bailey (knee) – indefinite
    Campbell Brown (knee) – 4-6 weeks
    Josh Gibson (hamstring) – 4-5 weeks
    Rhan Hooper (hamstring) – indefinite
    Simon Taylor (fractured leg) – indefinite

    MELBOURNE
    Matthew Bate (ankle) – test
    Sam Blease (leg) – 2 weeks
    Colin Garland (knee) – test
    Max Gawn (knee) – 6 weeks
    Liam Jurrah (shoulder) – 4-5 weeks
    John Meesen (ankle) – indefinite
    Ricky Petterd (shoulder) – season
    Jake Spencer (knee) – 4 weeks
    Luke Tapscott (hip) – 4-5 weeks

    NORTH MELBOURNE
    Leigh Adams (hamstring) – 1 week
    Liam Anthony (shoulder) – indefinite
    Luke Delaney (broken wrist) – 4 weeks
    Aaron Edwards (shoulder) – test
    Brent Harvey (elbow) – test
    Ayden Kennedy (stress fracture, foot) – 5 weeks
    Drew Petrie (stress reaction foot) – 4-6 weeks
    Ben Ross (groin/hip) – indefinite
    Daniel Wells (groin) – test

    PORT ADELAIDE
    Dean Brogan (back) – test
    John Butcher (back) – indefinite
    Brett Ebert (concussion) – test
    Robbie Gray (hamstring) – 2 weeks
    Cameron Hitchcock (shoulder) – test
    Nathan Krakouer (groin) – 3 weeks
    Andrew Moore (groin) – 4-5 weeks
    Marlon Motlop (foot) – indefinite
    Michael Pettigrew (knee) – 8-10 weeks
    Steven Salopek (shoulder) – test
    Warren Tredrea (ankle) – 10-12 weeks

    RICHMOND
    Matt Dea (foot) – indefinite
    Nathan Foley (leg) – test

    ST KILDA
    Jason Gram (groin/hamstring) – 4 weeks
    Steven King (hamstring) – test*
    Blake McGrath (stress fracture, foot) – indefinite
    Luke Miles (stress fracture, fibula) – indefinite
    Nick Riewoldt (hamstring) – 6 weeks*

    SYDNEY SWANS
    TBC

    WEST COAST
    Jordan Jones (ankle) – 6-8 weeks
    Daniel Kerr (hamstring) – 7 weeks
    Chris Masten (knee) – 3-4 weeks
    Ash Hansen (hip) – 1 week
    Darren Glass (abdomen) – TBA
    Luke Shuey (virus) – 1-2 weeks

    WESTERN BULLDOGS
    Jason Akermanis (hamstring) – TBA
    Ayce Cordy (shoulder) – season
    Brad Johnson (achilles) – 2 weeks
    Lukas Markovic (shoulder) – test
    Robert Murphy (knee) – 1-2 weeks
    Shane Thorne (knee) – 9 weeks

    *Estimate only. Club has not provided official timeframe.

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  9. Motts
    Is it a reasonable conclusion that given there are only four original posts on the subject of this title that very few give a rats?
    I know you’re cock-a-hoop after taking down the equal most successful club in AFL history on Sunday but do we have to have a Bluebagger in every poll?
    What about a poll on the best choice in ruck trades for the year so far?
    PS: I never expected us to win but it still hurts seeing the boy out there after learning everything he knows with us (making him skipper eased the pain a bit!)

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  10. “Luke Shuey (virus) – 1-2 weeks” – what sort of virus has a two week recovery period? Is it a knee virus/HIV?
    Fair dinkum the sh$t we get fed by the club’s PR departments is beyond a joke – particularly given the dosh at stake these days

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  11. The same pr department told the world ben cousins needs to go in rehab …a fucked up year so far for the coasters ….i am over worsfolds predictions . eagles need some worsfold mongrel ..tell us the real truth on fucken shuey …no more bullshit

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Kreuzer v Hille

Written by Motts on

They’re both about $440k and both have the ability to bust out a big one (Krooz’s top score for the year 140, Hille’s is 152). Right now, who do you like more?

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  1. My prediction is 50/50 – this could have something to do with my chronic inability to (not) make decisions.

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    1. I’m always happy when I put up a poll that gets close to 50/50. Means I’ve chosen 2 worthy adversaries and (hopefully) people have had to think about it.

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  2. I have Cox and Sandilands in the ruck so I’m not even acknowledging other Ruckman at this stage. Sorry to rain on ur parade and be so negative to ur poll, but apart from this week the last month has resulted in massive ruck scores thanks to my big 2.

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  3. Hille and Krooz are my two ruckmen so watching them carefully, Hille has done better than I’d hoped, and Krooz has done a little worse…. That said, this brings them back to even money…. but given it to Krooz by a wisker…. however, if Hille keeps kicking goals, I could easily be persuaded the other way.

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    1. Yeah, i too have Hille & Kreuz. Kreuz is more consistent but Hille’s definitely got more biggies in him over a season. I’d pick Kreuz purely and simply because Hille’s likely to get rubbed out anytime soon.

      Never going to pick Buddy and Hille in the same team again. Too many suspension worries.

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      1. Yeah I stress a bit everytime Hille crosses that white line too. But the fact that he hasn’t missed a game means we haven’t missed any points. He’s been great value, even though he shares the duties with Ryder.

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          1. Working on it today Mikey…. hope to post up in the morn. I thinking I might cash in Trengrove in the Ruck for either Stanley or Skipper as a heads up… and free-up 150 large….. as I’m hanging to get ROK at this bargin basement price and just don’t have enough in the bank to go straight up from one of my Rookies.

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          2. Yeah, I got rid of Warnock for the Skipster to cover Mummy’s suspension and to gain some moolah a few weeks back. I don’t reckon there’s too many rookie’s on the bubble this week though – but you can confirm that, or otherwise, in the morn.

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  4. Wondering if anyone could rate my team as it is now and highlight any major areas i need to improve on.
    Backs: Gilbee, Waters, Maguire, Hodge, Malceski, Goodwin, Enright
    Midfield: Ablett, Selwood, Montagna, Gibbs, Barlow, Pavlich
    Rucks: Hille and Naitanui
    Fowards: Chapman, Didak, Brown, O’keefe, Higgins, Pods, Fyfe.

    Emergencies [From Def->Fwd]
    Silvangi, Schmidt, Bastinac, Banner, Lobbe, Warnock, Gumbleton, Rockcliff.

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    1. Good depth there Sam but I’d look at getting cover in your rucks cos Nic Nat will be rested (look at Skipper or Trengove). Silvagni could be traded in as his price won’t rise from here on in – use the cash to upgrade Waters. Good games from Basti and Rocky on the w/end means you can sit on them for the next few. Good luck, you’re looking better than me.

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        1. Bugger me, Sambo. Its a ripper! What’s your average. And how did those last couple of exams go? What are you studying anyway, champ?

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  5. hey everyone,
    wondering if anyone could rate my team or if they have any advice, or ways that i could improve, comments much appreciated.

    DEF: Goddard(VC), Hodge, Malceski, Gilbee, Enright, Waters, Hunt (EMG: Davis, White)

    MIDS: Ablett(C), Swan, NDS, Watson, Barlow, Judd (EMG: Bastinac, JKT)

    RUCKS: Sandilands, Hille (EMG: Warnock, Lobbe)

    FORWARDS: Chapman, Pavlich, JB, ROK, Higgins, JPOD, Ziebell
    (EMG: Rockcliff, Gumbleton)

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    1. There’s no real weakness that i can spot. I would just upgrade Hunt or Waters and Ziebell when they reach their peak. I guess it depends on the trades and cash you have left as well as the quality of opponents you’ll be vs’ing in the next few rounds.

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      1. thanks mate, i got 12 trades left and only $800. Upgrading one of them sounds good, i just don’t have the cash at the moment. I’ll probably downgrade one of my emergencies for the cash, then upgrade later on.
        I just need JB, ROK and Higgins to get back into some form.
        Also does anyone know the news on Barlow, and do u know if he’s playing this week?

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    2. Great team Dave – I’m guessing you are (easily) in the top 1000. (Maybe PA has already begun the integrity investigation!)
      My advice would be to research Chris’ (Buster Gonad) season wrap from last year on TS to get an idea of how patient he was in trading which by his own admission, was the difference in winning.
      Pretty straight forward strategy as far as downgrading 3 of your rooks for upgrades on Waters, Hunt and JZ leaving 6 for LTIs however its all about the timing.
      Let us know how you’re travelling.

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  6. Thinking of trading mcglynn for Didak coz of the dpp and Bradshaw for either goodes or Rok what are your thoughts

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    1. Good trades although with Dids you need to be aware of his low scoring propensity when heavily tagged although playing mostly forward this year is balancing that. Goodes in particular but also ROK are rolled gold premiums at bargain basement prices so now’s the time to get ’em.

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  7. Motts could you run a poll i have Petrie(FWD) and 8 trades remaining i am also trying to upgrade my forward line and defence over the coming weeks should i:
    1.Get rid of him
    2.sideline him
    3.Bring in Tipet for a ruck bench and swap them around

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      You just got him in last week despite the advice of posters on this site to “wait and see” after an LTI and given his price won’t change for two games so clench your teeth and pull the trigger. There are plenty of underpriced or bottomed out forward premiums that will ease your pain such as Goodes/ROK/JB.

      Stress fractures are bad LTIs so if you bench him he may well be there until 2011 – particularly as the Roos will have nothing to play for when he’s scheduled back.

      Tippet is a recipe for a triple burn Despite last week, he is inconsistent, playing in an underperforming team and carrying a tendonitis problem.

      Good luck again!

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      1. Deano hows this for a plan i can now afford pav so:
        Petrie – Pav(7 trades left)
        Byrnes – Goodes(6 trades left)

        next week if Symes performs like he has in the SANFL bring him in for Firrito
        so Symes – Firrito(5 trades left)
        OR
        Downgrade Silvagni(5 trades left)
        and bring in a player like Gilbee barring he drops in price(4 trades left.

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        1. You’re on a better track IMO as your team is so full of uniques it could use some premiums. The risk with your proposal is that going in to rd 12/13 you will have 4 trades left.
          Unless you are competing for the car, I would trade down Petrie for Goodes/ROK and keep the cash you would have spent on Pav until as close to rd 19 as possible as this is when the league finals are on. Along the way I would try to buy 3 more premiums (depending on LTIs) with particular interest in Saints players as they have an extremely good draw from rds 19-22 which as we know with the SC scoring system (given they enjoy good wins), inflates scores. This will leave you with 3/4 trades at the beginning of finals to use depending on who you’re playing and their teams.

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          1. sounds like a good plan i will take these discussed ideas to the VTC commitee on thursday(5:30PM)
            and have the verdict a little after 5 on friday

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        2. scratch that just worked out i won’t be able to bring in goodes this week so i reckon my plan for the coming weeks is:
          This week
          Petrie- Pav

          Next week
          Byrnes- Brown(as he has a huge BE)

          the following week
          Firrito- Symes(if he is playing well)

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          1. Deano and PA you two have been very helpful over the past weeks (especially with the injury of Anthony and Petrie dilema’s) you two should have your own segment you could call it ‘The Injury Commitee’
            and help people decide on injury trades

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  8. Down and Out in Round 11

    ADELAIDE
    Nathan Bock (adductor) – 1 week
    Brett Burton (knee) – 4-5 weeks
    James Craig (hamstring) – 2-3 weeks
    Trent Hentschel (knee) – 3 weeks
    Chris Knights (foot, plantar fasciitis) – indefinite
    Brodie Martin (knee) – indefinite
    Brad Moran (knee) – indefinite
    Andy Otten (knee) – season
    Bernie Vince (ankle) – 1 week
    Will Young (knee) – 6 weeks

    BRISBANE LIONS
    Jed Adcock (foot) – indefinite
    Jared Brennan (ankle) – 2 weeks
    Jamie Charman (ankle) – 4 weeks
    Xavier Clarke (knee) – indefinite
    Josh Drummond (knee) – indefinite
    Niall McKeever (knee) – 5 weeks
    Daniel Merrett (hamstring) – 2 weeks
    James Polkinghorne (thigh) – TBC

    CARLTON
    Dennis Armfield (quad) – test
    Paul Bower (quad) – test
    Ryan Houlihan (hamstring) – test
    Chris Johnson (wrist) – 1 week
    Kane Lucas (hamstring) – 1 week
    Simon White (knee) – 2-3 weeks
    Chris Yarran (thigh) – 2 weeks

    COLLINGWOOD
    Jarrad Blight (ankle) – 1-2 weeks
    Anthony Corrie (knee) – 1-2 weeks
    Leon Davis (calf) – test
    Tristan Francis (quadriceps) – test
    Josh Fraser (ankle) – test
    John McCarthy (hamstring) – 1 week
    Shae McNamara (knee) – test
    Paul Medhurst (foot) – 1 week
    Sean Rusling (calf) – 1 week

    ESSENDON
    Jake Melksham (sprained ankle) – test
    Henry Slattery (bruised ribs) – test
    Cale Hooker (hamstring) – 1-2 weeks
    Jason Laycock (foot) – season

    FREMANTLE
    Michael Barlow (hamstring) – test
    Greg Broughton (foot) – 2-4 weeks
    Paul Hasleby (back) – test
    Des Headland (knee) – 4 weeks
    Luke McPharlin (knee) – 6-8 weeks
    Brock O’Brien (quad) – 6 weeks
    Alex Silvagni (ankle) – test

    GEELONG
    Joel Corey (knee) – 2 weeks
    Marcus Drum (eye) – 2 weeks
    Steven Motlop (shoulder) – indefinite
    Brad Ottens (foot) – 2 weeks
    Max Rooke (knee) – indefinite
    Matthew Scarlett (hamstring) – 2 weeks

    HAWTHORN
    Max Bailey (knee) – indefinite
    Campbell Brown (knee) – 4-6 weeks
    Josh Gibson (hamstring) – 4-5 weeks
    Rhan Hooper (hamstring) – indefinite
    Simon Taylor (fractured leg) – indefinite

    MELBOURNE
    Matthew Bate (ankle) – test
    Sam Blease (leg) – 2 weeks
    Colin Garland (knee) – test
    Max Gawn (knee) – 6 weeks
    Liam Jurrah (shoulder) – 4-5 weeks
    John Meesen (ankle) – indefinite
    Ricky Petterd (shoulder) – season
    Jake Spencer (knee) – 4 weeks
    Luke Tapscott (hip) – 4-5 weeks

    NORTH MELBOURNE
    Leigh Adams (hamstring) – 1 week
    Liam Anthony (shoulder) – indefinite
    Luke Delaney (broken wrist) – 4 weeks
    Aaron Edwards (shoulder) – test
    Brent Harvey (elbow) – test
    Ayden Kennedy (stress fracture, foot) – 5 weeks
    Drew Petrie (stress reaction foot) – 4-6 weeks
    Ben Ross (groin/hip) – indefinite
    Daniel Wells (groin) – test

    PORT ADELAIDE
    Dean Brogan (back) – test
    John Butcher (back) – indefinite
    Brett Ebert (concussion) – test
    Robbie Gray (hamstring) – 2 weeks
    Cameron Hitchcock (shoulder) – test
    Nathan Krakouer (groin) – 3 weeks
    Andrew Moore (groin) – 4-5 weeks
    Marlon Motlop (foot) – indefinite
    Michael Pettigrew (knee) – 8-10 weeks
    Steven Salopek (shoulder) – test
    Warren Tredrea (ankle) – 10-12 weeks

    RICHMOND
    Matt Dea (foot) – indefinite
    Nathan Foley (leg) – test

    ST KILDA
    Jason Gram (groin/hamstring) – 4 weeks
    Steven King (hamstring) – test*
    Blake McGrath (stress fracture, foot) – indefinite
    Luke Miles (stress fracture, fibula) – indefinite
    Nick Riewoldt (hamstring) – 6 weeks*

    SYDNEY SWANS
    TBC

    WEST COAST
    Jordan Jones (ankle) – 6-8 weeks
    Daniel Kerr (hamstring) – 7 weeks
    Chris Masten (knee) – 3-4 weeks
    Ash Hansen (hip) – 1 week
    Darren Glass (abdomen) – TBA
    Luke Shuey (virus) – 1-2 weeks

    WESTERN BULLDOGS
    Jason Akermanis (hamstring) – TBA
    Ayce Cordy (shoulder) – season
    Brad Johnson (achilles) – 2 weeks
    Lukas Markovic (shoulder) – test
    Robert Murphy (knee) – 1-2 weeks
    Shane Thorne (knee) – 9 weeks

    *Estimate only. Club has not provided official timeframe.

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  9. Motts
    Is it a reasonable conclusion that given there are only four original posts on the subject of this title that very few give a rats?
    I know you’re cock-a-hoop after taking down the equal most successful club in AFL history on Sunday but do we have to have a Bluebagger in every poll?
    What about a poll on the best choice in ruck trades for the year so far?
    PS: I never expected us to win but it still hurts seeing the boy out there after learning everything he knows with us (making him skipper eased the pain a bit!)

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    1. Evening Deano.

      Apologies for not having been on the site for the last 5 hours or so. I had to get down to the local to win the Tuesday trivia night. Roo and 60/40 Goddard normally turn up but for some reason couldn’t make it tonight.

      I’ve repeatedly stated I’m happy to take suggestions for polls. Most EPO affected player, biggest hit on a Fremantle Docker, club with the most players evading being drug tested….whatever you like, mate. Just give me the question and the options.

      (I would like to draw your attention to the subject of two polls ago – Gia v SJ – in which neither has ever pulled on a Navy Blue guernsey)

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      1. Bit touchy after the trivia night?

        Gia qualifies by being part of your SC team before you traded him out to get Goodesy on an SEN rumour!

        I like the drug testing angle – let me have a chat to JK over here and I’ll let you know.

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      2. Motts et al
        How about this one:

        Whilst SC Talk does not condone in any way the posession, ingestion or trafficing of illegal recreational or performance enhancing drugs in the wider community or the community of AFL players, it reserves the right to give its members the ability to opine on this matter as the AFL has placed the matter firmly in the public forum and therefore has no jurisdiction subject to common law precedent.
        Forum title:
        The AFL announced recently that their highly successful, world leading, unprecedentedly tough 4 strikes, sorry 3 strikes drug policy had only uncovered 10 current players on 2 strikes. This was even taking into account the stringent testing procedures including testing after games and most importantly, well after (at least 48 hrs) the night of the game.
        The authors will not offer players’ names in a poll structure for obvious reasons however each contributor to this blog is entitled to suggest their three most likely candidates for the 2 strike team.

        Controversial yes but let’s show some discontent to the 1984 regime living in the ivory tower of their own importance (not the Kirrabilli ones!)

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  10. “Luke Shuey (virus) – 1-2 weeks” – what sort of virus has a two week recovery period? Is it a knee virus/HIV?
    Fair dinkum the sh$t we get fed by the club’s PR departments is beyond a joke – particularly given the dosh at stake these days

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  11. The same pr department told the world ben cousins needs to go in rehab …a fucked up year so far for the coasters ….i am over worsfolds predictions . eagles need some worsfold mongrel ..tell us the real truth on fucken shuey …no more bullshit

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