Rate My JAN Team

Written by Schwarzwalder on January 2 2018

With Pre-Season 2018 kicking off here at SCT, there are sure to be plenty of ins and outs to your initial line-up.  If you don’t have SC-Gold then you can use our Team Picker program……many thanks again to Huttabito for that one!

You can check out examples of starting line-ups under the Team Picker thread mentioned above or the Rate My Initial Team post.

Now then, Coaches………let’s see those teams of yours…………

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  1. It’s good to be back. A lot of work to be done but my first trial team is:

    DEF
    Laird, Simpson, Williams, Birchall, O’Shea, Keeffe (Doedee, Murray)

    MID
    Martin, Oliver, Zorko, Crouch, Fyfe, Cripps, Graham, Davies-Uniacke (Ahern, Garlett, Wigg)

    RUC
    Gawn, NicNat (English)

    FWD
    Heeney, Lobb, Bennell, Balic, Higgins, Rioli (Switkowski, Ryan)

    The blaringly obvious omission is Dangerfield but I was thinking that I could roll the dice and hope that his price drops a bit with him being my first upgrade at a price in the 600s. I will probably find it too hard to drop him come the start of the season however.

    Any comments welcome

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    1. I don’t mind skipping Danger. With a fit set of Selwoods, Duncan, Gaz, Blicavs and Menegola, plus Tuohy down back and Hawkins up forward 1650 points roughly starts stretching pretty thin.

      Don’t get me wrong I still expect Danger to be no 1 or close to it.

      But, at 750k, we know that as new players come in it takes a chunk of the overall pool and I cannot see 750k being sustainable throughout 2018.

      Supercoach history shows very few players have been able to hold 120+ points for an extended period due to team trades or plain old injury.

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      1. To be fair, all of those players bar Gaz played almost every game last season, and Danger still averaged 130+. How many games to we really expect Gaz to put together? Will that really have a big enough impact on Danger’s scoring to skip him? Even if Gaz takes 10-15 of Danger’s points in every game he plays, the latter will still be a top3 scorer overall.
        In my opinion, paying the extra $100k for Dangerfield is well worth the worrying and stress of trying to do a triple downgrade to afford him later down the track.

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  2. Put together a seedy new years day team. $88k remaining.

    DEF:
    Laird, Hibberd, Williams, Birchall, O’Shae, Keeffe (Murray, Johnson)
    3 premiums here, with Birch as a stepping stone.

    MID:
    Danger, Dusty, Kelly, Zerrett, Fyfe, Cripps, Brayshaw, Wigg (Ahern, Freeman, Kelly)
    6 of what I believe will be top 10 mids. M4 is still a toss up between Zerrett, M. Crouch and Neale.

    RUC:
    Gawn, NicNat (English)
    Standard setup here, most likely what 80% of the comp will run with.

    FWD:
    Heeney, Lobb, Christensen, Bennell, Higgins, Venables (Ryan, Hayes)
    The forward line ‘premiums’ are pretty speculative this year, and the only one I’m confident will be a top 6 is Heeney. Lobb should be GWS’ #1 ruck this season, so hopefully will score well enough to hold down F5-6. If Bennell stays fit, he will most likely score well enough to be a keeper. Christensen should be a good stepping stone provided he gets ample mid time.

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  3. Here’s my first crack:
    Hurley, Laird, O’Shea, Doedee, Murray, Goddard, (Morgan, Collins)
    Danger, Martin, Mitchell, Kelly, M Crouch, Fyfe, Beams, Coniglio (LDU, Bailey, Moore)
    Grundy, Nic Nat, (English)
    Heeney, Bennell, Setterfield, J Higgins, W Rioli, Garlett (Smith, Ryan).
    Gawn misses too many games for my liking. Hurley is a bit unique but is consistant and safe. Midfield is stacked but you need those top middies to enable good loophole captain options. Cap $14,400

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    1. Hey Dazza,
      I’d start by swapping Beams and Coniglio for something like a T.Kelly/Worpel combo. With the cash you make there, spend it in your def and fwd.
      Good luck mate

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  4. E.Yeo K.Simpson J.Lloyd C.O’shea S.murray H.Goddard bench T.doedee A.Mcpherson

    P.dangerfield M.Crouch N.fyfe S.Pendlebury . P.Cripps D.Hannebery L.D.U N.Freeman Bench T.Kelly N.Holman J.Garlett

    M.Gawn N.Naitanui Bench T.Jeffries

    S.Menegola I.Heeney L.Dahlhaus H.Bennall D.Fogarty L.Ryan Bench D.Venables P.Ahern 19.7k left over

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  5. First Run at it. Whats everyone’s thoughts?

    Defenders:
    Michael Hibberd [MEL] ($545,200)
    Kade Simpson [CAR] ($516,300)
    Zac Williams [GWS] ($516,200)
    Pearce Hanley [GCS] [MID] ($428,000)
    Cam O’Shea [CAR] ($166,000)
    Sam Murray [COL] ($123,900)
    Isaac Cumming [GWS] ($123,900)
    Lachlan Keeffe [GWS] [FWD] ($123,900)

    Midfielders:
    Patrick Dangerfield [GEE] ($749,800)
    Tom Mitchell [HAW] ($653,500)
    Nat Fyfe [FRE] ($597,900)
    Patrick Cripps [CAR] ($537,300)
    Stephen Coniglio [GWS] ($452,400)
    Harley Balic [MEL] [FWD] ($252,900)
    Luke Davies-Uniacke [NTH] ($189,300)
    Jack Higgins [RIC] [FWD] ($130,800)
    Jarrod Garlett [CAR] [FWD] ($117,300)
    Patrick Naish [RIC] [FWD] ($117,300)
    Brayden Ainsworth [WCE] ($117,300)

    Rucks:
    Max Gawn [MEL] ($503,700)
    Nic Naitanui [WCE] ($465,900)
    Timothy English [WBD] [FWD] ($134,700)

    Forwards:
    Isaac Heeney [SYD] [MID] ($536,300)
    Luke Dahlhaus [WBD] [MID] ($498,500)
    Rory Lobb [GWS] ($396,500)
    Brett Deledio [GWS] ($339,800)
    Harley Bennell [FRE] ($254,800)
    Mitch Lewis [HAW] ($123,900)
    Willie Rioli [WCE] ($123,900)
    Jordan Houlahan [ESS] ($117,300)

    At little worried about depth in the mid but Heeney could swing in there for Balic but that leaves the fwd a bit risky. Would love to find room for Dusty but i think im dreaming haha

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    1. Very weak midfield, I’d probably drop Hanley and Lids to turn Balic into a $600k+ mid. Other than that, looks pretty solid.

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    2. Hanley, Balic, Lids and Heeney all worry me.

      None really stand out as either a good or bad choice, yet all of them make me uneasy for various reasons, injury, form, operations etc.

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  6. Draft 1 of 3.6 million

    Def: Yeo, Laird, Williams, Birchall, OShea, Joel Smith (Murray, Goddard)

    Mid: Danger, Titch, Zorko, Fyfe, Cripps, JOM, LDU, Graham (Wigg, Ahern, Worpel)

    Rucks: Ryder, NicNat (English)

    Forwards: Gray, Robinson, Lobb, Christensen, Bennell, Keeffe (Rioli, Garlett)

    18k spare.

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    1. Feedback is appreciated 🙂

      Probably not going to go with Danger in the end – with Gaz, both Selwoods, Duncan I think there isn’t enough points to go around. Still, a good place to park money until the preseason begins… but it is so hard to get 6 or 7 hunge to buy him later.

      Probably won’t go Dusty since you can usually pick him up cheaper mid year.

      More likely ditch one premium (Danger) and one cheapie and get two premos, once some preseason form shows.

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    2. Majority of your premium selections are great but unsure on the M Robinson and J O’Meara combination.

      An alternative could be J Billings and P Dow or S Coniglio and B Ah Chee.

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      1. Coniglio and Ah Chee over Billings.

        But, need to remember Robinson has been a 100 point player in the past. That’s probably a premium for the forwards this year… so long as he gets enough midfield time.

        Given the loss of Rocky at this time that is the justification for picking Robinson.

        If there is a decent breakout option in preseason I will reconsider.

        Sicily and Birchall also are in a similar boat. Very hard to see who the top 4-10 defenders or forwards will be.

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  7. Def: Hurley, Laird, Langdon, Brayshaw, Ling, Doedee (Murray, Mirra)

    Mid: Dangerfield, Mitchell, Zerrett, Fyfe, Beams,
    Blakely, Clark, Bailey (Worpel, H. Brayshaw, Holman)

    Ruck: Gawn, Nat (Lavender)

    Forward: Heeney, Wingard, Devon, Bennell, Higgins, Ahern (Fritsch, Petruccelle)

    Any holes or glaring oversights? Am a bit of a sucker for a POD

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  8. Happy New Year folks.
    Looking forward to another big supercoach season.
    My team (ATM) is:
    Def: Yeo, Laird, Witherden, Brayshaw, Birchall, OShea (Doedee, Murray)
    Mids: Mitchell, Fyfe, Cripps, Coniglio, Beams, M.Crouch, LDU, Brayshaw (Ahern, Kelly, Brayshaw)
    Rucks: Jacobs & Gawn
    Fwds: Heeney, Robinson, Lobb, Bennell, Rioli Venables, (Garlett Higgins)
    Bank $11k
    I think Witherden is worth the risk as potential is big and role supercoach friendly.
    Looked at OMeara and he may be an option if her has a full pre-season and I am looking to save a few bucks.
    Danger is just too expensive and I suspect he will be deployed significantly more in attack this year. Not sure how Ahern fits into Norths best 22 but good downgrade option I think
    Went Jacobs trying to save a few more bucks as I had Kreuzer previously. I think Goldy will be a lot better this year but I am still not taking the risk without a viable ruck/fwd combo.
    Th e forward line is where you can get a little creative. I would like to get Walters in there somewhere. Robinson is worth the risk as he will be hungry for footy, Rockliff gone so they need an inside mid and he has previously had about a 100 pt average so i think he is underprice.
    I am anticipating a bit of variation on the forwards.

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  9. G’day guys,
    Great to be back into the preseason! Here is my first crack for 2018. Feedback welcome 🙂
    Def: Laird, Hibberd, Z.Williams, Birchall, Hibberd, Murray (Goddard, Richards)
    Mid: Danger, Dusty, Mitchell, M.Crouch, Fyfe, Cripps, T.Kelly, Ahern (Worpel, Brown, Holman)
    Ruck: Gawn, NicNat
    Fwd: Gray, Curnow, Lobbe, Christensen, Higgins, Venables (Garlett, Ryan)

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    1. Fantastic premium selections and structure.

      Love the Curnow pick.
      Pre Bye Avg: 56.78 from 9 (9/9 below 80)
      Post Bye Avg: 87.33 from 12 (5/12 below 80, 4/12 100+)

      Disposals:
      Pre Bye Avg: 12.1 Post Bye Avg: 15.67
      Kicks:
      Pre Bye Avg: 8.78 Post Bye Avg: 10.67
      Marks:
      Pre Bye Avg: 5 Post Bye Avg: 6.17
      Tackles:
      Pre Bye Avg: 2.78 Post Bye Avg: 3
      Contested Possessions:
      Pre Bye Avg: 4.56 Post Bye Avg: 7.92
      Time On Ground:
      Pre Bye Avg: 78.33 Post Bye Avg: 85.92

      An improvement in the major categories led to a 30 point avg increase after the bye. With the departure of Gibbs and another pre season under his belt he should be able to maintain and potentially increase all of the aforementioned categories.

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      1. Also with Cripps being the most damaging midfielder at Carlton he’ll cop more attention this year which means he’ll spend more time in the forward line this year. This allows C. Curnow to (hopefully) get some midfield time this year.

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      2. Thanks Adam. Loving your numbers work mate – always insightful and a great read.
        There are 3 main reasons why Curnow appeals to me.
        1. His increased TOG (a big reason why I started with M.Crouch last year)
        2. Increased contested possession rate
        3. More midfield time (hopefully)
        I really rate this kid and think he is a super talent. Hopefully he can pump out some decent scores this year

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        1. Averaged 93.78 from 9 games when he amassed 15+ disposals (3/9 below 80, 4/9 100+).

          Averaged 96.75 from 8 games when contested possessions equal/exceed 7 (2/8 below 80, 4/8 100+).

          Averaged 84.08 from 12 games when TOG equals/exceeds 83 (6/12 below 80, 4/12 100+)

          Career contested possession rate of 45.94%.

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  10. Oh the fun starts again in 2018!

    Def: Yeo, Laird, Z.Williams, O’Shea, Gardiner, Doedee (Morgan, Richards)
    Mid: Danger, Mitchell, J.Kelly, Merrett, Fyfe, Bont, LDU, Clark (Barry, Naish, T.Kelly)
    Ruck: Jacobs, Gawn (Olango)
    Fwd: Billings, Dahlhaus, Lobbe, Higgins, Garlett, Ryan (Ahern, Rioli)

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    1. Jacobs should be a big POD this year mate…Actually come to think of it, anyone bar NicNat and Gawn will be a POD in the ruck!

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      1. Yes Jacobs is my POD. My only concern there is no R/F link this year to cover a injury for a week or two.
        Carrying Gawn/NitNat could cost you a game if one misses because you will cop a zero. NitNat hasn’t played for a year, can’t see him playing all 22 games and Gawn have his troubles. I’m seriously considering a Jacobs/Martin Ruck combo to sleep better at nights.

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  11. Murray, Maynard, Hanley, Rance, Doedee, Birchall, (Keefe, Johnson)

    Parker, Fyfe, McLean, Dusty, Coniglio, Danger, Wingard, Worpel (Bayok, H Brayshaw, Ahern)

    Lobbe, Jacobs, (Lynch)

    Gray, Garlett, Deledio, Heeney, Bennell, Menegola (Flynn, Higgins)

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    1. Not much love.

      14 Prems, dpp on every line, no sleepless nights after GawnNat break down at some stage, vc loop covered virtually every week with a wce and pie on the bench. Deledio f6 only needs 65 pts for be and what a luxury having menegola as a fwd…..he can dpp with both mclean (who will have a breakout year) and Wingard. Admit rookies are up in the air till pre-season.

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      1. I think there’s a number of reasons.

        1) People tend to highlight the first players named in each line. Your order of listing makes your team look much weaker than it is.

        2) Your defence is honestly weak and it’s best players are at best speculative.

        3) Lobbe? It may be a masterstroke but with no preseason form to show him being more than a backup it looks more like a masterfail at present.

        4) Forward line is heavily speculative too (although i dont actually mind it).

        Menegola is hardly a certainty for best 22 even now (not overly beloved by his coach), so he represents a big risk. Lids is on his own a reasonable risk, but add a preseasonless Heeney, the multitudinous risks inherant in Bennell, Gray recovering from operation as well and Garlett back from being off list not one of your forward 6 is guaranteed to start the season.

        This is always the problem with midpricers. The potential is always so tempting, but each represents a high risk of failure.

        People aren’t having a go at you, they are just suggesting you are taking risks that they would not take.

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        1. Agree with 1.
          Re 2. Rance and Hanley (dpp and with Rocky gone) hardly speculative. Maynard going into the middle, Birchall priced at about 55 pts. Went hard in the mids looking to set and forget with one of TMitch or Zerrett to come in. so one line had to be soft. Hoping murray and doedee get early games for cash.
          Re3. Lobbe least likely to remain just hoping a R/F stands up before R1
          Re4. I reckon they all play and if so lots of PODs and cash …..who wants all the same. Heeney a concern…Dahl on stanby.

          Didn’t think anyone was having a go…I love the banter. As we all know, if 20 of this team are starters…it will be a miracle !!

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          1. Rance has dropped to be a sub 400 player in the last 2 seasons.

            Hanley cannot cope wulith a tag, so when even the lowly brisbane lions trade you out you are on your last legs at AFL level. Yet stupidly he has done exactly 0 to address his limitations.

            Lions won on that bigtime. And guess what, Gold Coast normally could rely on Ablett drawing one or two tags. Now one will go to Hall and one to Hanley.

            Maynard doesn’t deserve to be an AFL player, period.

            Birchall is one of the best defenders you have got but his role is only worth 75-85 ppg. At best he is a cheap d6 or sn expensive rookie.

            Murray and Doedee represent reasonable rookie options this far out.

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      1. Yeah…Lobbe is purely speculative until another option pops up…I dont trust NatGawn to play 19-20 games each. R/F options very skinny.

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        1. Agreed. I cannot go both Gawn and Nicnat.

          Nicnat has far better injury history.

          Gawn has only player more than 13 games once and was appalling in the second half of 2017.

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  12. Exciting Times! Team will change more times than Melbourne’s weather but here is what it looks like currently:-

    Def: Laird, Hibberd, McGrath, Birchall, O’Shae, Keefe (Doedee, Murray)

    Mid: Danger, Dusty, Titchell, Fyfe, Cripps, Coniglio, LDU, Wigg (Kelly, Worpel, Holman)

    Ruck: Gawn, NicNat (Olango)

    Fwd: Barlow, M. Robinson, C. Curnow, Lobb, Christensen, Higgins (Garlett, Ryan)

    Like McGrath down back with the move into Essendon’s midfield. Believe there is lots of value up forward this year, with returning players from long term injuries. Thoughts much appreciated!

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    1. Barlow Robinson and Curnow all represent a lot of risk. Barlow due to injuries age and team, Robinson likewise plus risk of tagging roles. Curnow because his first half of 2017 was at best a joke, outperformed by pretty much any rookie who played through the first 9 rounds. Sure he improved a bit after the bye but half a year of poor form followed by half a year of ok form really doesn’t inspire me.

      Add uncertainties over Lobb being guaranteed the main ruck role and Christensen’s recovery from injury and all your top 5 forwards are all pretty risky, then you have a recycled rookie and two rookies not guaranteed fame time.

      I’ve named 3 of those 5 and can understand why I’m getting thumbs down, even though I’m prepared to hold until well into preseason as I think there’s enough risk versus reward.

      The forwards are going to be a lottery this year, or there’s gonna be a lot of last minute shifts to Buddy, Dahl, Wingard and the like.

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      1. Hopefully Robinson is relieved of his tagging duties and given to a younger Lion.
        Need to watch is role closely in the pre season.

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    2. I think your forward could make or break you this season.
      All returning long term injuries players have a terrific year, I can’t see that. Gamble one or two.

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  13. Hi all
    Feedback greatly appreciated.

    Def: Hurley, Yeo, McDonald, O’Shea, Murray, Keefe, ( Johnson, Doedee).

    Mids: Dangerfield, Martin, Mitchell, Cripps, Fyfe, O’Meara, Bradshaw, Davies-Uniacke, (Freeman, Timothy Kelly, Holman).

    Rucks: Gawn, Naitanui, (English).

    Forwards: Heeney, Lobb, Gray, Bennell, Jack Higgins, Venables, (Ahern, Garlett).

    Remaining salary $240,400.

    Thank you .

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    1. I like the idea of going in with cash before leagues start….if some low midpricer is firing…leaves room for a good trade. I’m trying to do the same.

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  14. Hi all my first team of many please provide feedback

    Laird hibberd witherden McGrath keefe O’Shea (doedee Murray )

    Bont Martin Mitchell Fyfe Jaeger graham bonar Bradshaw (worpel dul Rayner)

    Gawn nicnat (English)

    Gray billing’s Lobb curnow Bennell Ahern (venables garlett)

    All rookies are subject to change

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    1. I’d maybe gamble one of Witherden/McGrath in defence.
      Jaeger will give you the same headache as in previous years.
      Gray will be interesting. Need to see where they play him more.

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      1. I see Jaeger as an easy upgrade or downgrade depending on which way he goes he just looks like Hercules and may finally be ready gray will be a top six fwd barring injury Otherwise fwd line would be too weak imo does anyone know when scoach opens to non golds

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  15. Hi all my first team please provide feedback

    DEF: Laird,Hibberd, Williams, Birchall, O’Shea, Keeffe ( Murray, Johnson )

    FWD: Dangerfield, Martin, Mitchell, Kelly, Fyfe, Cripps, Davis-Uniacke , Wiggs (Ahern, Freeman, Kelly)

    RUCK: Gawn, Naitanui(English)

    FWD: Dahlhaus, Lobb ,Christensen,Bennell , Higgins, Venables (Hayes,Ryan)

    All rookies are subject to change

    Got $82400 in the bank

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    1. Did you copy my team from further up the thread? The only differences are Dahl instead of Heeney, and Titch instead of Zerrett.
      Not that I’m complaining, I thumbs up-d you. I’ll take it as a compliment if you did haha.

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  16. First pass at my team – appreciate any comments.

    DEF: Laird, Hibberd, Williams, Birchall, Morris, Keefe (Doedee, J Smith)

    MID : Danger, Martin, Titch, Kelly, Fyfe, Cripps, Balic, Ahern (Wigg, Freeman, Wilson)

    RUCK : Gawn, NicNat (English)

    FWD : Lobb, A-Chee, Bennell, Laverde, Schache, Garlett (T. Smith, L Ryan)

    Reasonably happy with the DEF/MID/RUCK but not seeing a lot of value in premo FWDS this year. Perhaps a couple of emerging guys to have breakout years?

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  17. ok 2nd pass. Taking the risk on Hanley, call it ‘old times sake’ haha

    With 59.3k still in the bank could go up from Hanley (with some rookie cost adjustment or drop from Ryder) if i change my mind.

    Other big note is no Danger. Will C Dusty until i can get danger in but at $750 surely he wont get more expensive and hopefully drop.

    Defenders:
    Kade Simpson [CAR] ($516,300)
    Zac Williams [GWS] ($516,200)
    Pearce Hanley [GCS] [MID] ($428,000)
    Grant Birchall [HAW] ($277,100)
    Cam O’Shea [CAR] ($166,000)
    Sam Murray [COL] ($123,900)
    Isaac Cumming [GWS] ($123,900)
    Lachlan Keeffe [GWS] [FWD] ($123,900)

    Midfielders:
    Dustin Martin [RIC] ($656,000)
    Tom Mitchell [HAW] ($653,500)
    Joshua Kelly [GWS] ($628,600)
    Nat Fyfe [FRE] ($597,900)
    Patrick Cripps [CAR] ($537,300)
    Stephen Coniglio [GWS] ($452,400)
    Luke Davies-Uniacke [NTH] ($189,300)
    Jack Higgins [RIC] [FWD] ($130,800)
    Jarrod Garlett [CAR] [FWD] ($117,300)
    Patrick Naish [RIC] [FWD] ($117,300)
    Brayden Ainsworth [WCE] ($117,300)

    Rucks:
    Patrick Ryder [PTA] ($566,500)
    Max Gawn [MEL] ($503,700)
    Timothy English [WBD] [FWD] ($134,700)

    Forwards:
    Luke Dahlhaus [WBD] [MID] ($498,500)
    Charlie Curnow [CAR] ($408,100)
    Rory Lobb [GWS] ($396,500)
    Brett Deledio [GWS] ($339,800)
    Harley Bennell [FRE] ($254,800)
    Mitch Lewis [HAW] ($123,900)
    Willie Rioli [WCE] ($123,900)
    Jordan Houlahan [ESS] ($117,300)

    Cheers team
    Bluey out.

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    1. If i was to reduce risk id switch Hanley to Hibberd and Lids to Christensen or another rookie.

      May even make room for Kelly to Danger trade but would have to run the numbers.

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  18. 1st Attempt at a team! Quite tempted to drop Danger and pick him up later in the season but let me know what you think!

    Def:
    Yeo, Laird, Williams, O’Shea, Doedee, Keefe, (Murray, Johnson)

    Mid:
    Dangerfield, T Mitchell, Oliver, M Crouch, Fyfe, Cripps, LDU, Wigg, (Mutch, Freeman, T Kelly)

    Ruck:
    Gawn, NicNat, (Cameron)

    Fwd:
    Heeney, Greene, Billings, J Higgins, Venables, Jarrod Garlett, (Ahern, W Rioli)

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  19. Finished 185th last season , going with the same strategy this year

    DEF – Wilson maynard birchall kennedy oshea murry
    doedee keefe
    MID – danger Mitchell fyfe hanners wells omera ahchee
    holeman wigg Kelly
    RUCK – gawn celgar
    English
    FWD – heeney kennedy dahlhouse crozier deludio Christiansen
    Vandenberg garlett

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      1. usually use 4 corrective trades in the 1st 2 weeks
        about 1/2 the team will need to go through the season through injury or maxing out in price,
        – load up on low priced mids in def & trade to solid backs when needed , I use an 80 pt strategy for all backline players to start , 2 or more usually do better & upgrade the rest as they peak or breakdown ,
        – take 2 or 3 jnj prone players as a quick upgrade in the mids if they have had a solid pre season eg omera , & 5 solid mids & 3 rooks
        – 1 premo ruck & 1 upgradeable ruck & 1 dp ruck as a capt loophole , usually a WC player
        – 80 pt strategy again in the fwd line
        all players must have a solid preseason
        have just brought brayshaw into my backline , another mid
        supercoach is about research separating yourself from the herd champ
        are we learning yet

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          1. If Ceglar is in any way fit he is the bargain ruck of the year.

            Like Witts last year.

            That’s a pretty big if, though.

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  20. As is always the case at this time of year, all rookies are subject to change. With that out of the way…

    DEF: K. Simpson, Z. Williams, G. Birchall, C. O’Shea, T. Doedee, L. Keeffe (S. Murray, A. Johnson)

    MID: P. Dangerfield, D. Martin, D. Zorko, D. Beams, N. Fyfe, P. Cripps, M. Kennedy, JOM (N. Freeman, H. Wigg, T. Kelly)

    RUC: P. Ryder, S. Jacobs (T. Olango)

    FWD: I. Heeney, R. Lobb, C. Curnow, A. Christensen, J. Higgins, D. Venables (P. Ahern, J. Garlett)

    $6,600 left over.

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    1. Interesting set-and-forget strategy in the Ruck with Ryder and Jacobs. Big change from the Gawn-anui set-up of most. And there’s still life in the old dog, Simpson! Those three will go a long way to setting up your season……….

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      1. Simpson could be a make or break. Potential for extra points sans Docherty but players at that age are always high supercoach risk.

        He has been very durable, so my D3 position is still a tossup between him and Zac Williams.

        For me, my money is currently on the younger dog in the fight.

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  21. First version of my 2018 team;

    DEF: Laird, Howe, Williams, O’Shea, Doedee, Goddard, Murray, Keefe

    MID: Danger, Dusty, Mitchell, Merrett, Fyfe, Cripps, LDU, Ahern, Wigg, Kelly, Holman

    RUC: Gawn, Nic Nat, Jeffries

    FWD: Heeney, Gray, Dahlhaus, Higgins, Venables, Garlett, Switkowski, Ryan

    Thoughts on the above?

    Fairly happy with the structure of hopefully set and forget ruck combo, 3 defender and forward premos with the loaded 6 premo mids.

    Biggest conundrum is to start with Danger or not. That extra cash saved from him could be used on adding a couple of mid-pricers into the line up.

    So much to weigh up!

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  22. Popular options in Bennell and Birch not having a great pre-season. May have to look for some other cheaper options to begin with

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    1. Birchall should be back running by the end of January, so might still play round 1. He’ll probably be underdone if he does, though.

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      1. Yeah he may be available round 1, but for me at this stage too much of a risk. Have made the mistake of starting cheap options that were under done before. Def still on the watch list though mate. Time to think outside the box for my D4

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  23. What do people think of Aaron Mullet? He averaged 80 at North Melbourne last year. Now that he’s at Carlton, he could potentially get some of Docherty’s points.

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    1. Could. Looked good early in his career but a couple of years at North seem to have lost all that.

      That thinking has me seriously reconsidering LDU TO Brayshaw or Cerra.

      Freo’s cleanout means they will need to play some young pups too.

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    2. Will he make the 22 is the big starting question. Liam Jones might also do very well out of Doc’s enforced season off.

      But there’s plenty of players like Cam OShea and Jesse Glass McCasker who might get a run in front of Mullett

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  24. Ok. Here’s HH take 1.2.

    Def : Yeo, Laird, Williams, Roberton, O’Shea, J Smith (D/M) (S Murray, H Goddard)

    Mid: Mitchell, Zorko, Fyfe, J Selwood, Cripps, O’Meara, A Brayshaw, J Higgins (F/M), (Wigg, Ahern (F/M), Worpel)

    Ruck: Ryder, NicNat (Olango)

    Fwd: Gray, Robinson (F/M), Lobb, C Cameron, Christensen, Keeffe (F/D), (W Rioli, J Garlett (F/M))

    $3800 left

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    1. Very happy with that team, I reckon there’s possibly 15 or 16 players there that could hold a role down for me until the end of year. The only drama is the lack of ruck cover.

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      1. I still hope Mathieson ends up on tagging duties. With Rocky gone (and Hanley previously) they are a couple of mids short.

        I expect both Christensen and Robinson to play midfield roles. With Cameron, Rayner, Keays, Barrett, Bewick, McLuggage and Hipwood I don’t see any need for Christensen or Robinson to do any more than rest in the forward line, possibly on rotation with McLuggage and Rayner.

        But I don’t think either McLuggage or Rayner have the age and fitness for the sort of tank that can keep them in the midfield for long periods.

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        1. Good looking team HH. As a keen lions man, I think Robbo, Christensen and CC will be rotating between the fwd and mid. Had a chat with Christensen a few weeks back and he told me looking about 70/30 fwd/mid for himself this year. IMO the void left by Rocky will be filled by Matho and Berry (my favorite player on our list and a future captain) with Keays probably competing with them for this spot. Barrett and Bewick will be purely depth for us this year and I think will struggle to get games. But from a lions perspective, it’s great to see that for the first time in a long time, there will be genuine competition for spots. I think we may surprise a few teams this year!

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          1. Had pretty much listed those two as depth players. For a team with a lot of young talent and realistically finals a couple of years off, there’s no real reason to give old stagers like Barrett and Bewick a run when you have so many young forward/mids waiting for their opportunity. Sure, keep em on the list but they are no longer best 22 and we all know it.

            While they’re lurking at the bottom, they have been building a solid young team.

            Just a pity they couldn’t hold a few others like Yeo and Docherty or they really would have a good looking list.

            While I’m in favour of players getting easier movement, just like any other career, Brisbane has been repeatedly ripped off by other clubs (as have GCS and GWS) and the AFL needs to seriously address the whole farce trading has become.

            But that’s a rant for another time.

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              1. Have never forgiven Carlton for that – only gave us pick 33 (think they even had pick 32 as well and wouldnt even hand that over to us). Absolutely bent us over the table and he royally screwed us over but only nominating the blues. Cited home sickness as a reason for wanting to leave, but refused to go to any other Vic club? Doesn’t matter, he will be missing out on our 2021-2023 three-peat

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  25. Playing around with different structures and really like the idea of a mid price/rookie forward line.

    Def: M Hurley, K Simpson, R Laird, J Lloyd, C O’Shea, H Goddard, (T Doedee, S Murray)

    Mid: P Dangerfield, T Mitchell, M Crouch, N Fyfe, S Pendlebury, S Coniglio, P Dow, L Davis-Uniacke, (P Ahern, T Kelly, J Garlett)

    Rucks: M Gawn, N Naitanui, (T Olango)

    Fwds: R Lobb, C Rioli, T Dickson, A Christensen, B Ah Chee, J Higgins, (W Rioli, D Venables)

    Remaining salary: 7300

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        (Year, Games, Average)
        2010, 19, 94.8
        2011, 16, 99.6
        2012, 20, 98.5
        2013, 13, 88.4
        2014, 11, 92.5
        2015, 20, 92.8
        2016, 19, 90.1
        2017, 7, 64.1

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        1. 2011-2016 Hawthorn finished top 3, last year finished 12 and score reflects. Won’t play 22 either. No from me, especially at F2.

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  26. Here’s a slightly modified version of my previous team.

    The backline will need some tweaking if Birchall doesn’t make it for round 1, but overall I quite like this. The forwardline is obviously value-driven, but, pending JLT form and roles, I don’t think it’s excessively risky. My thoughts on Curnow and Lobb are well known, and Christensen doesn’t need much explanation. Smith went to Essendon looking for midfield time, and Stringer has mainly been training in the midfield group, so with Watson retired and Goddard ageing, there’s no reason why they can’t both spend most of their time there.

    DEF: K. Simpson, Z. Williams, G. Birchall, C. O’Shea, T. Doedee, L. Keeffe (S. Murray, A. Johnson)

    MID: P. Dangerfield, D. Martin, D. Zorko, D. Beams, N. Fyfe, P. Cripps, JOM, P. Dow (N. Freeman, H. Wigg, T. Kelly)

    RUC: P. Ryder, S. Jacobs (D. Cameron)

    FWD: D. Smith, C. Curnow, R. Lobb, J. Stringer, A. Christensen, J. Higgins (P. Ahern, J. Garlett)

    $12,400 left over.

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    1. As a GWS supporter I like your pick of Smith in your forwards. Great player, should do well at Essendon especially if he gets a run primarily in the midfield. He is definitely pencilled into my team.

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    2. Good backline premium picks.

      Injury risk in the midfield (D Beams, N Fyfe, P Cripps, JOM) but I really like the D Beams selection. Would look to downgrade J O’Meara to LDU/Cerra/Brayshaw/etc.

      Great ruck selections but will be interesting to hear what your plan is to avoid the Ryder donut in their bye.

      I really like the value forward line but the only selection I’m unsure on is Stringer. An alternative could be T Bell/B Ah Chee freeing up between 70,000 to 100,000.

      The aforementioned downgrades will free up around 190,000 plus your remaining salary which would allow G Birchall to be upgraded to J Lloyd thus strengthening your backline.

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      1. Thanks, Adam.

        I know Stringer is a risk, but he has mostly been training in Essendon’s midfield group this pre-season, so the upside could be significant. In addition to the players you mentioned, Cyril could be another alternative if he doesn’t work out.

        I don’t actually have a plan for Ryder’s bye… I forgot that it existed. Thanks for reminding me!

        Those midfielders you mentioned do indeed carry some injury risk, but they all have very good upside. I’m slightly on the fence about JOM, but I think he can average 90+ if he has a good pre-season (then again, we all said that last year…).

        I like Lloyd, but McVeigh’s presence does seem to dampen his output somewhat. He’s certainly better than Birchall, though. If I can’t afford to upgrade Birchall to Lloyd, what do you think of Nathan WIlson’s prospects?

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        1. Okay, here are a few possible ways of dealing with Ryder’s bye:

          #1 Hope that my R3 (currently Darcy Cameron) plays that round.
          #2 Cop the doughnut
          #3 Pick another ruck, say, Gawn or Nic Nat, and hope they make it until Ryder’s bye, before upgrading to Ryder.

          Truth be told, I’m not massively keen on any of these options, but it will probably have to be #3, unless we can collectively find an R3 who will play most weeks.

          Bloody Kochie…

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  27. First time posting. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

    Laird Lloyd McGrath O’Shea keefe Murray
    ( Doedee Goddard)

    Martin Mitchell Kelly adams beams Fyfe
    Dow Davies-uniacke ( rayner ahern Kelly)

    Ryder Jacobs ( English )

    Billings Dalhousie lobb ah Chee Higgins veneables ( garlett ryan)

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    1. Welcome to the site! Adams is right out of left-field after losing his DPP status, massive POD if it pays off. Likewise with Jake Lloyd down back…….

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  28. J Stringer:
    when disposals equal/exceed 16
    SC avg: 87.91 from 22

    I like the Rioli selection as he should be able to average between 75-95 thus maintaining/increasing his price and allowing an upgrade to an R Gray/C Wingard after their bye.

    I see the allure of the JOM selection but is he likely to finish in your final 8 mids or average around 105. I’d assume the answer would be no/unlikely. Whilst he might be a good stepping stone the 120,000 + saved by selecting LDU or other mid rookies is more beneficial to the team structure and premium selections.

    Wilson has the potential to average around 90 due to increased opportunities at Freo as one of their key rebounding defenders. His disposal averages have increased from 11.69 in 2015 to 16.86 in 2016 and 17.42 in 2017 as well as his rebound 50 averages increasing since his rookie year. Therefore I think he will be an alright pick and should increase his avg to mid 80’s or low 90’s.

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  29. Thoughts on this team. Rookies to change depending on RD 1.

    Defenders
    M. Hurley, R. Laird, Z. Williams
    C. O’Shea, T. Doedee, S. Murray (H. Goddard, D. Mirra)

    Midfielders
    P. Dangerfield, D. Martin, T. Mitchell
    J. Kelly, M. Crouch, P. Cripps, LDU, T. Kelly ( P. Ahern, J. Worpel, N. Holman)

    Ruck
    Gawn, Naitanui (Olango)

    Forwards
    T. Greene, J. Billings, R. Gray
    J. higgins, B. Starcevich, W. Rioli (J. Garlett, L. Ryan)

    $16,200

    Keen to know your thoughts.

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    1. About as guns and rookies as you can get. Should be ok if the 16 rookies you end up with score well enough to make sufficient money for upgrades.

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  30. First side of many, no doubt.
    DEF: Rory Laird, Zac Williams, Paul Seedmans, Cam O’shea, Tom Doedee, Sam Murray, (H Goddard, A Schumacher)

    MIDS: Danger, T.Mitchell, M.Crouch, Z.Merrett, N.fyfe, P.Cripps, L.DaviesUniacke, Harrison Wigg, (N.Freeman, P.Ahern, N.Holan)

    Rucks: Sam Jacobs, Maxy Gawn

    Forw: J. Billings, Isaac Heeney, Jordan de Goey, Darcy Parish, Jack Higgins, Jarrod Garlett (J. Houlahan, Willie Rioli)

    Feel free to comment (Y)

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    1. Not a big Seedsman fan, plus you’re backing De Goey & Parish to be Top FWDs…….that’s a pretty ballsy move!

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  31. That’s a pretty solid team !
    Who has been training you in super coach?
    It appears like you have had a brilliant mind to assist you !

    De Goey is only poor selection

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  32. Hurley LAird Mitch Hibberd O’Shea Doedee Murray bench Cumming MIrra .

    Danger DUsty JOsh Kelly Fyfe Pendles Cripps Ldu Freeman bench Dawson Kelly HOlman.

    Kreuzer Gawn Bench Jeffries

    Heeney Greene Dahlhaus Christensen Rayner Higgins bench Garlett Ryan . 55.2k left over

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    1. lookn fwd to seeing how Mirra goes , was very good at box hill for years , should take a leadership role down back for the hawks , hope he is named for R1

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