Rate My Team – FEB #1

Written by Schwarzwalder on February 4 2019

Absolutely blown away by the response to the RMT threads this year…….and it’s only just February!

Great to see so many Coaches helping out to ‘dish’ some critique.  If you want to see where your team stands right now, enter it into the Forum below.  Our SCT Coaches will give their honest opinion on your line-up.

Don’t be afraid to leave some constructive criticism for your fellow Coaches either.  Enjoy………..

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205 thoughts on “Rate My Team – FEB #1”

  1. My current team at the moment.

    Lloyd, Sicily, Whitfield, Roberton,
    Collins, Wilkie, Burgess, Wigg.

    Macrea, Cripps, Kelly , Yeo, Miles,
    Stocker, Bewley, Hind, E Smith,
    Valente,Sparrow.

    Grundy, Gawn, Sweet.

    Dangerfield, Smith, Heeney,
    Setterfield, Corbett, Carvarra,
    Parker, Wilkinson.

    Feel free to comment!

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    1. really don’t understand the thumbs down! From where I’m sitting you have three each of the top 6 DEFs and FWDs, 4 MIDs and both RUCs. Unless catastrophe (injuries hit), you should only need 9 trades to get v close to full premo (ie still having Collins, Roberton, Miles, Bewley and potentially ANO onfield) come the byes. That spells happy days!!

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      1. Possibly too many 102k rookies, leaving no room for adjustments. I didn’t thumb down, but that’s what I can see.

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        1. Ok, but I can only see Wigg, Wilkinson and Sweet (who I guess is a loophole who may end up playing!).
          I’ll definitely have one (loophole somewhere) and if Wigg is named, two. If Gibbons gets recruited (surely) and named, that’s three!

          One of the better/risk-averse teams I’ve seen so far I reckon.

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          1. Thanks for all feedback
            AllSaints and The Original
            Force. I really enjoy SCT
            Forum I’m in my third year of
            Supercoach and learning all
            the time from all the coaches.
            If Wigg gets a good run with
            Injuries he should be a chance
            to play rd 1. I haven’t made my mind up on who will be my
            loophole player or whether it
            will be a midfielder or ruck
            I gather I will need a West
            Coast or Freo player seen
            they play a lot of Sunday
            games.
            I have seen some footage of
            Sweet and he looks like a good
            promising ruckman he’s just sitting there at the moment I
            might end up with Fort instead too.
            I heard North Melbourne have
            been impressed with
            Wilkinson that’s why I have
            him In my team at this stage. I have about 20 k left. If Carlton pick Gibbons up he will be in my team. If I get stuck for cash
            I can make some changes for
            example Lloyd to Laird or
            Macrae to Fyfe. Hopefully it
            Won’t come to that.

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          2. Allsaints, Whilst Gibbons is the best player in the VFL by a country mile he wasn’t selected as a pre-draft selection by Gold Coast or Carlton. Nor did Carlton pick him up when Docherty went down. Nor did Hawthorn when Mitchell went down. If he came into a side now he’d be joining 2/3rds of the way through the pre season and would still be very unlikely to be picked for Rd 1. I think we need to give up on Gibbons now to save disappointment later down the track!

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            1. Alright I take that back. The supercoach FB page just shared an article saying Gibbons has been training with the club & looks likely for a spot on the list and rd 1 debut. All aboard the Gibbons train!

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              1. I was gonna say, he’s been in full training with Carlton since Docherty went down.
                Glad to hear that. Great news!

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    2. Great Team if all the rookies are selected. Any plan B to cover non selection of listed rookies.? Who do you downgrade ro cover.

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      1. Cheers Vicwood, I could go as
        above. Maybe one of the following
        to free cash up.

        Macrae >Fyfe
        Or
        Lloyd > Laird .

        It’s just a case of seeing what
        happens in the Jlt games to get
        a better idea of what rookies will
        play rd1.

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    3. I’d cull Sicily for another mid prem. Sicily missed too many games through acts of stupidity in 2018 and opposition teams will ‘wind him up’ at every opportunity in 2019. The zone might effect him more than others too but that’s just pure speculation.
      I also reckon Gibbons will be a safer bet than stocker, you just can’t select him in supercoach at the moment.

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      1. I agree Sicily has done some
        stupid things in the past hopefully
        his learnt from his mistakes, I
        think he will have a really good
        year this year. I probably will stick
        with the same structure it been
        said that rookies in backline
        could be a bit on the thin side,
        so I would rather have a mature
        age midfield rookie on the ground
        there should be a few good ones
        to choose from. Gibbons will be
        In my team for sure, could
        possibly be for Stocker we will see how the Jlt games go.

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        1. There has been articles throughout the preseason regarding Sicily’s lack of control when tested and the coach having a “chat” with him. He is a top 6 defender and likely to add points on this year and players do change.

          If Gibbons goes to Cartlon then it might be Setterfield, Cripps, Walsh, Stocker, Gibbons maybe Kruezer. How many too many?

          Solid team structure is based off PREM/MID/ROOK, 3 0 3 DEF 3 0 3 FWD 2 00 RUC and MID 4 0 4 and from this find right place for extra cash to go which generally turns rookie into midprice but keep 3 or less as risk goes up expodentially (love the word)

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          1. Good stuff Dovass I think Sicily
            will be a lock for me he should
            average at least the same as
            last year. Cripps, Setterfield
            and Gibbons will be in my
            team for sure, just a wait and
            see with Stocker and Walsh.
            The team structure info is
            a good read thanks for sharing.

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  2. So i need some help, below i have 2 team options and im not sure what to do.
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    Walsh in the middle as i cant afford miles as i have more expensive rookies in my defense.

    Laird, Sicily, Whitfield,
    Collins, Logue, Wilkie
    (Hore, Wigg)

    Macrae, Cripps, Oliver, Martin
    Merrett, Walsh, Constable, Bewley
    (Valente, Hind, Hayes)

    Grundy, Goldstein
    (Fort)

    Dangerfield, Heeney, R Gray
    Setterfield, Corbett, Parker
    (Woodcock, Cavarra)

    ————–OR—————-

    Sacrifice those expensive rookies in defense so that i can afford to upgrade Walsh to Miles. I really feel like id be missing out if i dont find a way to get miles into this team. Is Miles as important as i feel he is and worth the downgrade in defence, or is Walsh the next best option?
    Im not sure if im 100% confident in the lower priced rookies in defense.

    Laird, Sicily, Whitfield,
    Wilkie, Burgess, Hore
    (Answerth, Wigg)

    Macrae, Cripps, Oliver, Martin
    Merrett, Miles, Constable, Bewley
    (Valente, Hind, Hayes)

    Grundy, Goldstein
    (Fort)

    Dangerfield, Heeney, R Gray
    Setterfield, Corbett, Parker
    (Woodcock, Cavarra)

    If you have any advice or ideas on what else i can do.
    Im really happy with every other aspect of my team and dont really want to downgrade any of my premiums i currently have.

    Please help, im confused on what to do.

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    1. Miles definitely gives your MID’s more depth in option 2 – will he make you more money than Walsh,probably not, score better – probably, be a keeper at M8,M9 could be…seem to be quite a few decent rookie defenders to choose from so the sacrifice of Collins/Logue may not really detract from those others you selected instead.

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      1. Thanks mate, appreciate it.
        i guess the main thing im struggling with is if i do downgrade collins and Logue then who are the best cheap rookies in defense. But i guess we will have to wait until JLT to really know that. My gut keeps telling me i cant go without Miles. so i might just have to make that sacrifice and hold it until JLT to see what happens with rookies.

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    2. Most people are running miles at m5. So if your already 5 deep into the mids, don’t worry about him unless you have funds lying around. I’d keep team 1.

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      1. Thanks mate,
        That makes sense also. but just cant shake the feeling that if i dont get him its a missed opportunity. might just have to wait until JLT to suss out a bit more.

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        1. Probably the right decision Casta. Wait til the JLT, find your rookie starters, and the decide. Your top premo picks look good so I’d say nothing to worry about for now. The more you look at it, the more likely you are to go against what you felt was right in the first place!

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          1. Hey All Saints I really enjoyed your write ups for the site this year. Great work mate!

            All Saints are you going set up a Twitter Account this year and follow all of the clubs and footy journo’s so you are up with all the latest news. I am sure all the likes of SuperCoachtalk, Schwarzy, Motts , Chillo , Thommo, Hutta, Father Dougal , Motts , Catta, Weendog, Raj, Nato, Matteo, and I will give you a follow once you sign up.
            It might just give you another edge to improve on your 2k rank from last year.

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            1. Thanks TDA, appreciate it mate.

              Just not sure I have the time to do it properly! I do check in on yours and others from time to time tho’ and will definitely continue to do that!

              I’m hoping for a much improved performance this year, simply based on cutting out the ridiculous amount of rookie errors I made last year. Who I did/didn’t start with! Trades I made/didn’t make! Rookies I picked/didn’t pick! … the list goes on!

              Are we in any of the same leagues yet?!? Can’t wait to resume battle/banter!

              Thanks again mate. Getting positive feedback makes it all the more worthwhile. And feel it’s the least I could’ve done given the huge amount of support, time and effort everyone on SCT gave me last year while learning the ropes, your good self included.

              Still learning!!

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              1. The site is only as good as it is with people like your good self taking the time and effort to put together articles and help out the other hard working contributors on the site.

                We are in 1 League together at this stage ILoveSC@SCT. My team name is Hard At It @SCT.

                I am quite confident that Schwarzy will give you an invite to join the SCT Contributors League after all of your write ups for the site.

                So we might find ourselves in that League together if I do not lose my spot to you as the Contributors might be running scared after I won the Minor Premiership and won the Grand Final last year.

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                1. I know what your name is, don’t remind me!! 😉
                  I think it stands at 1-1, but you did beat me when it counted 🙂

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                  1. Hey All Saints

                    I have a spot available in my 10 Team League if you would like to join.
                    The only person from SCT that is in it is Brian the Hawks man as Matteo has moved onto greener pastures after his strong showing last year wanting to take on the top echelon in the SuperCoach community.
                    So mostly mates of which 2-4 are not much chop so I let them fight it out for 7th-8th spot.
                    Still some strong players like myself and I did not even make the Grand Final last year with Brian taking it out.

                    If you are keen let me know and I will post the League code.

                    Anyone else interested let me know below as I have another spot available.
                    I finished 1215th last year so always keen for some good tough opponents.
                    Top 5k last year would be good but just keen for a player that will play out the year as someone pulled the pin after 3 rounds last year and deleted their team. 1st in best dressed.

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                    1. I’ll have a crack and stay the distance if you’re still looking Adder. Came 3700 last season. Have cracked the top 1000 once.
                      Email mattrev4 at gmail dot com
                      Cheers

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          2. Thanks Allsaints,
            always appreciate your advice.
            Your exactly right, the more i look at it the more i second guess myself. will have to try and use my strong will power to give my team a rest for a little bit lol. instead of tinkering it 3 times a day.

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  3. DEF: Lloyd, Whitfield, Z. Williams, Collins, Hore, Wilkie (Koschitzke, Wigg)

    MID: Oliver, Fyfe, Bontempelli, Martin, Merrett, Miles, Stocker, Constable(Bewley,Valente, Hind)

    RUC: Grundy,Gawn (Fort)

    FWD: Dangerfield, Smith, Heeney, Setterfield, McAdam Corbett (Burgess, Cavarra)

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    1. That’s a unique midfield Chelsea but I have concerns around Oliver and Merrett. Oliver had bilateral shoulder reconstruction surgery at the end of the season he could be a slow starter and drop 50-100k in the first 6-weeks. Merrett has been going backwards in SC for the past 2-years and McGrath has been doing a better job in midfield training drills so far this year plus Shiel will also take mid minutes off him.

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  4. Haven’t looked too much at whats happening so heres a first draft, tear it apart.

    Def: LLoyd, Whitfield, Williams, Wilkie, Mckay, Kelly (Hore, Wigg)

    Mid: Cripps, Oliver, Fyfe, Neale, Zerrett, Brayshaw, Liberatore, Bewley (Constable, Hind, Smith)

    Ruck: Grundy, Mummy (unsure on this but if he plays will generate a ton of cash) Bines

    Fwd: Danger, Westhoff, Dunkley, Setterfield, Parker, Cavarra (Burgess, Corbett)

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    1. I have concerns around Oliver and Merrett. Oliver had bilateral shoulder reconstruction surgery at the end of the season he could be a slow starter and drop 50-100k in the first 6-weeks. Merrett has been going backwards in SC for the past 2-years and McGrath has been doing a better job in midfield training drills so far this year plus Shiel will also take mid minutes off him.
      Mummy has a 2-game club suspension due to a likeness for coke that isn’t black and fizzy.

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  5. Been following the threads for this year, first team posted….
    DEF: Sicily Whitfield Witherden Collins Scrimshaw Wilkie (Hore/Wigg)
    MID: Cripps Fyfe Neale Bonts Dusty Miles Setterfield Bewley (E.Smith/Hind/Sparrow)
    RUCK: Grundy Nank (Fort)
    FWD: Danger Smith Heeney Blakey Burgess Corbett (Cavarra/Parker)

    Have $62k in bank, not a lot I know, the “premos” spread over byes being 9 8 9.
    Please let me know where I can make changes to strengthen team, thanks.

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    1. Benchwarmers.

      I really like this team, though I have some serious doubts about Nank.

      I would try to start at least, Goldie or S martin at R2

      The rest of the team is great.

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      1. Thanks for input FT, could swap Nanks to Goldie for not much difference in $, other option I was thinking was Miles into Stocker, Nank up to big Maxy, so coming down to Miles/Nank vs Stocker/Gawn to generate more points/cash I guess, plus it gives me around $100k to help with upgrades of early rookie changes. Thanks again for your advice, you guys on this site very helpful for all us novice SC players

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      2. Freo Tragic. What’s your main concern with Nank? I reckon he could be in for a big year. Here’s why:

        1. He’s 24 turning 25 this year… and we all know rucks tend to peak later than mids
        2. His averages over the last 3 years have increased steadily (2016 74.8, 2017 88.8, 2018 98.2)
        3. He plays a Max Gawn style drifting half back when not in possession. And with Lynch in the team I can see Richmond sitting Nank behind the ball which could see him pick up a few intercept possessions.
        4. An article published in June last year showed Toby was ranked 11th in the whole AFL for winning the first possession from the centre bounce. He did this mainly to combat the height difference he would often give up to the other ruckman. The new ruck rules with being able to grab the ball straight out from the ruck could really suit his game style.
        5. This might be clutching at straws cause Grundy had an unbelievable season last year, but a few stats of Grundy’s 2017 season vs Nank’s 2018 season show’s a few similarities in their game style:
        Possessions: N 16.6 G 18.4
        Marks: N 3.9 G 3.6
        Hitouts: N 25.0 G 35.7 (largest discrepancy but see point 4)
        Clearances: N 3.5 G 4.0
        Contested Possessions: N 9.2 G 9.8

        I do think Goldy & Martin are the safer options but I will be watching Nank the Tank very closely during JLT

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  6. Dermot.

    I would advise against starting Westhoff and Mummy.

    Mummy has had a long injury history of lower leg problems that forced him to retire early. He has already sustained a hamstring this preseason. He will also be missing at least the first 2 games due to his “Coke” video. I would steer well clear.

    Westhoff only managed to average 100+ due to playing a lot of time in the ruck last year. With Ryder now fit and lycett’s arrival from WC , I can’t see the Hoff being worth his lofty starting price.

    The rest of the team looks pretty good.

    Best of luck in 2019.

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  7. Def: Laird, Sicily, Andrews, Collins, Wilkie, Burgess (Hore, Wigg)
    Logic – I think Laird and Sicily are locks for 100+ and with Andrews and Fagan talking publically about his increased emphasis on intercept marks this year I think he can pump his average up 10 points. I do not think Zac Williams will average 96+ and therefore don’t see the value in paying 400k+

    Mid: Macrae, Cripps, Fyfe, Crouch, Zorko, Bennell, Setterfield, Hind (McHenry, Ling, Bewley)
    Logic – five guys I believe will average 110+, two at a healthy discount.

    Rucks: Grundy, Martin (Fort)
    Logic – will start Gawn over Martin if Preuss is not named round 1, but if he is then I’m not locking in a 120+ average (and not paying 700k)

    Fwd: Danger, Menegola, Heeney, J. Smith (WCE), Cavarra, Parker (McAdam, Stengle)
    Logic – three top-6 locks imo and I think Josh Smith becomes a popular pick after JLT if he can hold a spot on the wing.

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  8. Current team:
    Def: R Laird, L Whitfield, H Andrews, Z Williams, S Collins, C Burgess, (M Hore, H Wigg)

    Mid: N Fyfe, J Kelly, L Neale, Z Merrett, R Sloane, A Miles, H Bennell, C Constable, (L Stocker, B Bewley, R West)

    Ruck: B Grundy, T Goldstein, (D Fort)

    Fwd: P Dangerfield, I Heeney, T Greene, W Setterfield, B Cavarra, M Parker, (S McAdam, B Woodcock)

    Remaining salary: 4,600
    Greatly appreciate any advice/feedback.

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    1. Like it. Prefer Andrews to Witherden, loOve the monster-scoring PODs in the midfield, coupled with the steady ships. Greene my only concern … will he get up for Rd1?

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  9. Def: Laird, Whitfield, Williams, McGrath, Collins, Hore, Mclennan, Wigg

    Mid: Cripps, Fyfe, Martin, Zorko, Miles, Walsh, Smith, Stocker, Valente, Hind, Bewley

    Ruck: Grundy, Gawn, Bines

    Fwd: Danger, Heeney, Kelly, Rankine, Setterfield, Cavarra, Hill, Parker

    $100.900 remaining.

    Newman, Taranto, Mills, Roberton and Smith all likely to fly in and out of this team between now and round 1. Z. Merrett also extremely tempting. Haven’t made any real consideration to the byes at this stage either.

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    1. Looks good with a few nice PODs (Zorko, TKelly etc)
      You might want to check the byes tho (R13). You will have no RUC on field and a max. of 5 FWDs, but should be able to swing at least one of your R13 FWD DPPs into your MIDs. Likely a few people with have the same problem so no biggie! Looks like you’ll have at least 20 on field each week anyway, so just be careful with your upgrades!
      Good luck!

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      1. Thanks man, I feel like a lot of people are sleeping on these two. TK with a years experience in a professional system. Zorko, with Neale to take a bit of heat this season plus the expected improvement by the Lions could see these guys hit their ceilings more often than not.

        Far too tempting to pass at their current ownership.

        If that’s the extent of my bye issues then that can definitely be sorted by round 13!

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  10. Rightio take 2
    Lair. Ryan. Witherden. Williams
    4x Rookies
    Fyfe. Cripps. Coniglio ?. Beams. Merret
    6x Rookies
    Martin. Westhoff.
    Danger. Heneey. Lynch ? Greene ?
    4x Rookies
    103k. Left. Proj 1832
    Any thoughts Cheers

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    1. I did well from Westhoff last year, but with Ryder and Lycett in, I’m not sure if his role will change and what that means for points. Not sure of the status of Lynch and Greene at the moment either.

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  11. Hi Everyone,

    I welcome comments on this team:

    Backs: Lloyd, Laird, Whitfield, Williams, Collins, Scrimshaw (Wilke, Wigg)

    Mids: Cripps, Fyfe, Duncan, J Kennedy, Miles, Walsh, B Smith, Constable (Bewley, Langlands, Valente)

    Ruck: Grundy, Goldstein (Fort)

    Forwards: Danger, Wingard, Darling, Rankine, Settlefield, Hanrahan (I Hill, Parker)

    Cash left: $20k

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  12. Rough first draft , all rookies subject to change and shuffling around !
    Any feedback is greatly appreciated !

    Def: Lloyd , Laird , Sicily , Williams , Collins, Wilkie

    Mid: Cripps, fyfe, kelly, Neale, miles, setterfield, bewley, hind

    Ruck: Grundy , goldy

    Fwd: danger , Smith, heeney, rozee, Parker, cavarra

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    1. I really like your def, mid and rucks. Not sure whether the 3 rookie forwards will get enough game time early on for you though (but I could be wrong!). Maybe consider a dpp fwd/mid instead of Rozee to give you an option to switch settlefield to fwd line if required.

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  13. $69, 100 left in the bank. Usually like a little more so this will probs change. * = Rookies, × = not sure

    Backs: R. Laird, L. Whitfield, A. Mcgrath×, D. Roberton×, S. Collins*, J. Scrimshaw* (M. Hotel*, H. With*)

    Mids: J. Kelly, D. Martin, D. Shiel, B. Sier×, A. Hall×, A. Miles*, S. Walsh*, C. Constable* (B. Bewley*, N. Hind*, W. Hayes*)

    Rick’s: B. Grundy, M. Gawn (D. Fort*)

    Forwards: P. Dangerfield, C. Wingard×, J. De Goey×, T. Greene×, N. Blackley*, W. Setterfield* (J. Corbett*, B. Cavarra*)

    Greene a bit of a worry for round one, really not sure about De Goey, Hall I’m 50/50 and Roberton I kind wanna boot. Any feedback would be appreciated!!

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    1. I’d be culling your “not sure” players to 1 or 2 and replacing them with rookies & proven premiums. Like Wingard but keep an eye on his role/calf.

      Looks like autocorrect got a hold of your def rookies!

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  14. Thoughts ??
    Lloyd, Whitfield, Witherden, Roberton, Rozee, Answerth (Hore, Wigg)

    Cripps, Oliver, Neale, M Crouch, Zerrett, Libba, Walsh, Constable
    (Hind, Hayes, Bewley)

    Grundy, S Martin (Fort)

    Danger, Heeney, Cerra, Rankine, Mcadam, Cavarra (Corbett, Parker)

    14K left

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    1. Team looks good and Cerra could be a great POD, risky but IF he averages 85+ will make a perfect stepping-stone. I did ask the question earlier last month and Freo Tragic advised that it might just be a year early for him. That said, I hear he’s playing across HB in practice and it was playing there last year we saw an upturn in his SC output. We might also expect an increase in MID time too, to what extent I don’t know. I will be watching v closely in JLT series.

      My slight concern is that come Rd13 ALL your benches will be full of Premiums (you have 8 with one spare spot on you MID bench) and while you can swing Danger/Heeney into the middle, it likely restricts your upgrade targets and # of premos onfield that week.

      Looking good tho’ and good luck 🙂

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    1. Start with Laird and see what role whitfeild is given. If you decide to go whitfeild it will free up sone cash and you could trade sideways during early rounds to laird if needed.

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  15. Second draft….unsure on Hanners. Hoping he’ll make some early cash for an early upgrade to a stronger mid-prices or premo?

    Def: Lloyd, Laird, Whitfield, Collins, Quaynor, Wilkie (Burgess, Hore)

    R: Grundy, Gawn (Fort)

    Mid: Cripps, Macrae, Danger, Merett, Hannebery, Walsh, Constable, Atley (Ling, Bewley, Hind)

    Fwd: Smith, Heeney, Wingard, Rankine, Setterfield, Cavarra (Blakey, Corbett)

    60k in the bank.

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  16. Hey guys, welcome to another year of sc, got a team together, have not looked at the byes yet and only 2 x 102k rookies on the pine for some wriggle room before the start of the season, passed up on miles for another mid prem, but a bit light on in the forwards as i don’t know how Smith will score with Shiel at the dons now with the amount of mid time he will get, ofc rookies will change before the season starts, your thoughts guys, and thanks in advance

    backs.. Lloyd Laird Sicily
    Roberton Collins Logue
    bench Wilkie Wigg

    Mids Macrae Cripps Oliver Fyfe
    Neale Stocker Bewley Valente
    Bench Hind West Watson* for loophole

    Rucks Grundy Gawn
    Bench Fort

    Fwds Danger Heeney Setterfield
    Burgess Corbett Caverra
    Bench Mcadam Woodcock

    only $13.5k in the bank
    Corbett Caverra

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  17. Ok Ash made some good points on Nank which convinced me. Moved some players around 2nd and final Team until JTL. 1 too many mid price but so be it. Hope warpel can go 85+ until rhe bye rounds. F3 is a problem.
    DEF/Sicily Lloyd laird Collins Scrimshaw Logue goddard hoare.
    MIDS/Danger Cripps Oliver Kelly Miles Walsh setterfeild Constable Bewley hind fire in the hole.
    RUCK/ Who Else Nank the Tank.
    FWD/ Smith Heeny martin Worpel Carvarra Corbett Mc Adam parker.
    On watch Whitfield The 2 Tiger Lads in rhe FWD line and if Zieball gets midfield time ….i will be all over him like a cheap suit. Good Luck To All.

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    1. Good to see you on the Nank train! Only 2% ownership too. Shhh though we could have a big secret on our hands here 😉

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  18. DEF –
    Lloyd – Laird – Ryan
    Skinner(want to change) – Hore – Wigg
    ( Collings – Quaynor)

    MID –
    Cripps – kelly – Neale – Bontempelli
    Viney – miles – Walsh – bewley
    ( b Smith – C Jones – N. hind)

    Ruck-
    Grundy – sweet – fort

    FWD –

    Dangerfield – wingard – de goey
    Rankine – rozee – M. Parker
    ( woodcock Cavarra)

    Let me know what you guys think, happy for all feedback and suggestions for different players. $275K in the bank

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    1. Wow. Do you have some PODs, potential stepping-stones (aka potential bananas) and a risky ruck strategy?!

      All that said, DEF and MID lines look good but a lot could go wrong. I’d be dropping Rozee, De Goey (managed pre-season) and Sweet. Pick yourself a decent R2 and then look for decent mature-age rookies to fill the gaps. You have too much cash ITB so can afford to spend c.$200k of that.

      Good luck!

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      1. Thanks bro.

        I don’t want to pick Gawn as a second ruck , I personally think we’ll see a decrease in his score this year with Preuss coming along.

        Do you think Martin or westhoff is a decent option?

        Fwds I’ve been flirting with blakey and Setterfield. Thoughts?

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        1. Wouldn’t stress about it too much at the mo Sugma!

          All will become much clearer through early March,
          eg if Sandi doesn’t get up (missed training today) a lot of people will jump on Darcy.

          All I’m sayin is a lot can and WILL happen between now and the first bounce, just make sure you know who your top 15 premos are (4-5-2-4), identify your (mature-aged and other) rookies you’d like to see starting Rd1, and scribble down one or two underpriced likelies in your DEF, MID and FWD lines and you’ll have done enough prep to be ready for any eventuality!

          The fact you’re on here and have put together an outline team already means you’re likely ahead of the pack!

          Happy days and good luck.

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        2. Neither Stef Martin same buy round as Grundy. On westhoff over achieved last year and with the addition of lycett he will drop points. Goldstein seems to be a popular choice. Good Luck.

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  19. Defenders
    Lloyd, Witherden, Smith, Roberton, Wilkie, Burgess (Hore, Watson)
    Midfielders
    Dangerfield, Oliver, Fyfe, Coniglio, Yeo, B.Crouch, Stocker, Hind (Constable, Jok, E.Smith)
    Rucks
    Grundy, Goldy (Fort)
    Forwards
    Buddy, D.Smith, Wingard, Danniher, Setterfeild, Corbett (Hill, Cavara)

    $32.000 in the bank let me give me some feedback

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    1. I would make sure Dangerfield is in the forward line because right now he’s just filling up space in your midfield where you can have another premium gun. Overall your teams well balanced but if possible I would try add another top 10 defender.

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    2. Started Buddy last year and he went boOom …. SPLAT!
      I will NEVER start a FWD KPP again and I’m not sure Buddy is even fit?!

      Love Cogs and expect him to improve.

      My concern is too many picks coming off LTIs (Smith, Brouch and Daniher). Pick one by all means but there are certainly fallen-premo MIDs who carry far less risk and are a lot more likely to play 20+ games.

      If there are enough rookies named you’ll be able to turn your risky picks and mid-pricers into a combo of genuine premos and rookies. Good luck!

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      1. updated team
        Witfeild, Howe, Witherden, Smith, Wilkie, Burgess (Hore, Watson)
        Oliver, Fyfe, Cogs, Yeo, Brayshaw, Bouch, Stocker, Hind (Cosntable, Jok, Smith)
        Grundy, Goldy (Fort)
        Danger, smith, Wingard, Rankine, Setterfield, Parker (Hill Cavara)
        $1,300 left in the back

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  20. Cobeyslegends
    DEFENDERS
    J. Lloyd, R. Laird, L. Whitfield,
    Z. Williams, C. Burgess, M. Hore
    (T. Watson,H. Wigg)
    MIDFIELDERS
    P. Cripps, C. Oliver, N. Fyfe, L. Neale
    D. Martin, A. Miles, S. Walsh, C. Constable
    (L. Stocker, B. Bewley,N. Hind)
    RUCKS
    B. Grundy, T. Goldstein
    (D. Fort)
    FORWARDS
    P. Dangerfield, I. Heeney, W. Setterfield
    J. Corbett, M. Parker, B. Cavarra
    (I. Mosquito,T. Wilkinson)

    Any opinions on my squad would be great, I don’t really trust any forwards this year and am waiting until Jlt, don’t have much cash left and rookies are pretty average but can easily trade out Walsh and upgrade my rookies overall.

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    1. Not trusting the forward premiums is one thing and fielding four rookies is another. I don’t think the quality of forward rookies will allow for such a formation so I would look at turning one premium midfielder into a forward one. Otherwise well balanced for the time being.

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    2. If you don’t really trust FWDs then I think it’s fine.

      If the rookie numbers don’t eventuate to run this strategy, then you can always look for one or two mid-pricers you’d expect to improve, eg Cerra, CCurnow, Fisher, Himmelberg, Higgins. It’ll help you make a sideways trade to a Daniher/Greene type once they are up and firing. You never know, one of those might prove their value right up until the byes with 90% certainty they’ll deliver pts (and hopefully some decent cash.

      The third forward I’m looking at is Mundy. Fyfe said yesterday that Mundy is gonna be predominantly in the guts until Blakely returns at least. Close to a lock after hearing that. Ok he’s getting on, but is a proven SC-performer.

      Good luck!

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    3. Nice Team. Your DEF line has 3 round 14 Bye players. FWD Danger is a lock but you have choices to change heeny will help for the bye round. Look over players from the the Dogs and the Hawks…there also Smith from Essendon little bit expensive but should be top 6 FWD again this year. Good Luck.

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  21. updated team
    Witfeild, Howe, Witherden, Smith, Wilkie, Burgess (Hore, Watson)
    Oliver, Fyfe, Cogs, Yeo, Brayshaw, Bouch, Stocker, Hind (Cosntable, Jok, Smith)
    Grundy, Goldy (Fort)
    Danger, smith, Wingard, Rankine, Setterfield, Parker (Hill Cavara)
    $1,300 left in the back

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  22. Backline

    Laird Crisp Williams Roberton Collins Scrimshaw
    BENCH Wigg Khamis

    Midfield

    Cripps Oliver Fyfe Martin Merrett Shuey Stocker Ely Smith
    BENCH Mosquito Hind Bewley

    Ruck
    Gawn Witts
    Bench Fort

    Forward
    Heeney Gray Greene Daniher Rankine Setterfield
    BENCH Parker Cavarra

    2.8 K Left

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      1. Roberton, Oliver, fyfe, Witt’s,green, daniher. I’d only gamble on 1 of these, probably Oliver, and I’d take smith over Roberton.
        Want to be focusing on trading in premiums, not sideways trades for injuries. If green and daniher aren’t named round 1 or pushing to make it, do you have a back up plan? Seems there could be a few fwd rookies this season, to the point where you could potentially run just 2 premiums fwd.
        Of course I don’t know who will be named but there is talk about at leased 5 of them.

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      2. Hey John,

        Your team is pretty good, I like your structure but I think it’s lacking some clarity. Crisp is a good player (had him at the back end last year) but I think there’s better options around that price (Whitfield, Ryan) try and get Lloyd if you can!

        Midfield is solid, I like the pick of Sheuy but I also think there are better options available.

        Witts… ehhhhh

        No danger, which is a big Danger in my opinion with his ownership and explosiveness. Also Greene and Daniher could be good picks but I think they’ll be injured round 1.. who knows

        Try and tweek it a little!

        Good luck for the season

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    1. Interesting Ruck Duo…POD. I had Witts in my first team but change to Nank. Still unsure. Greene on injury watch would solve F3 position. Good Luck.

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  23. Hi Folks,

    Can’t wait for the season the start!

    Would appreciate comments on my team so far:
    (Naturally my rookies could change depending on R1 selections)

    B: Lloyd, Laid, Whitfield, Roberton, Collins, Wilkie (Hore, Wigg)

    M: Cripps, Kelly, Neale, Martin, Miles, Setterfield, Constable, Bewley
    (Stocker, Valente, Riach)

    R: Grundy, Gawn (Bines)

    F: Dangerfield, Menegola, Wingard, McAdam, Parker, Cavarra
    (Mosquito, Hill)

    Still have $139.4k in the bank
    Could go Wingard to Dunkley depending on JLT form

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    1. Lloyd laid Whitfield?! When did that happen?!
      Looking good from here. Wot no Dees (apart from Gawn 😉 )

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      1. Thanks for your comments AllSaints.

        Lol…….funny how a typo can start rumours!

        I reckon I’ll get some more Dees in there (maybe not for R1)……just happy for them to fly under the radar at the moment and not increase the weight of expectation on their shoulders!

        Hore is on the bench in the backline at the moment, but he may have a job squeezing in there for R1.

        I’m reasonably happy with the Go Dees! line up at this stage, albeit with no Rookie form to go on as yet. The $123.4k buffer in the bank should be enough to tweak things as JLT form becomes clearer.

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  24. Def.
    Lloyd, sicily, Whitfield, witherden, collins, wilkie (hore, wigg)

    Mid.
    Cripps, fyfe, yeo, mcrouch, miles, walsh, bennell, stocker (constable, valente, hind)

    Ruck.
    Grundy, goldy (fort)

    For.
    Danger, heeney, wingard, setterfield, corbett, cavara (mcadams, burgess)

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  25. Defenders
    J.Sicily L.Whitfeild A.Witherden
    B.Smith C.Wilkie C.burgess
    (M.Hore T.Watson)
    Midfielders
    C.Oliver N.Fyfe
    S.Coniglio E.Yeo D.Martin
    B.Crouch L.Stocker N.Hind
    (C.Constable T.Jok E.Smith
    Rucks
    B.Grundy T.Goldstein (D.Fort)
    Forwards
    P.Dangerfeild D.Smith T.Greene
    I.Rankine W.Setterfield M.Parker
    (I.Hill B.Cavara

    17,700 in the bank let me know i=on any improvements

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    1. Very Solid Team. If Greene does not get to the field for round 1 can you provide your option for F3. I am also thinking to go to a back 4 with 2 premiums and 2 kickers. It may prove to be the difference if one of them turn into a top 6 DEF. Good Luck

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    2. DEF look at sam collins from the Suns. If he gets a game could be the dodee from last year. BIG FAT CASH COW. Worth the punt. Real Good Team

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  26. Backs – Lloyd, Sicily, Whitfield, I. Quaynor, Scrimshaw, W. Kelly – M. Hore , H. Wigg

    Mids – Macrae, Crisps, Dusty, A. Brayshaw, Taranto , Miles, Stocker , Constable, – Bewley, Valente, J. Bytel

    Rucks – Grundy, Goldy – D. Fort

    Fwds – Damger, Heeney, Gray, Rozee, Setterfield, J. Corbett
    – I. Mosquito, B. Cavarra.

    I will probably only run with 1 of Brayshaw and Taranto. With some expensive rookies I have room to move to upgrade. I am leaning towards Taranto after Cameron came out today and said he will definitely be spending more time in the midfield. Taranto as a risky POD breakout contender increased his average by 22ppg in only his 2nd year so he might just take another step.

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    1. VERY similar. Only premo diffs are that I have Yeo instead of Brayshaw and Mundy instead of Gray. Obviously, I therefore think it’s very good. Rookies can wait ’til we know what we’re playing with, but Bytel is out until at least Rd6 you’d think (underwent back surgery last Friday).

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  27. Thanks for the heads up about Bytel.

    Now All Saints I don’t know if you saw my post from yesterday in this thread where we were having a chat , but I threw out an offer for you to join my 10 Team League. Even with 10 Leagues it is hard to fit in all of the invites and , I have had to pass on a few myself so don’t worry if you can’t squeeze it in.
    If you are keen though I will post the League Code.

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    1. Love to mate, but am up to 8 already and have a couple of cash Leagues I’m keen to join. Just waiting on codes.
      Have opened Nutbags@SCT in Join a League thread. I should open that up now as not too many have re-joined from last year if you’re keen to have another crack?!?
      Will re-post it later on.
      Cheers

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  28. How are we looking here boys? Loving the input so far!

    DEF: Lloyd, Whitfield, Williams, Collins, Scrimshaw, Wilkie (Wigg, Khamis)

    MID: Macrae, Cripps, Fyfe, Neale, Beams, Walsh, Constable, Bewley (Stocker,
    Mosquito, Valente)

    RUC: Grundy, Goldy (Fort)

    FWD: Danger, Smith, Heeney, Blakey, Setterfield, Corbett (McAdam, Cavarra)

    $72k to spare

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    1. Good looking team Harley.

      Solid structure and great balance of spending.

      I don’t know why you got a T/D.

      I will be starting a very similar.

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  29. Feedback if possible? Grundy for Gawn

    DEF: Lloyd, Laird, Sicily, Williams, Collins, Scrimshaw, (Wilkie, Wiggs)

    MID: Cripps, Oliver, Kelly, Neale, Miles, Setterfield, Constable, Bewley (Stocker,Hind, Wicks)

    RUC: Gawn, Goldy (Fort)

    FWD: Danger, Smith, Gray, Stengle, Corbett , Parker (McAdam, Cavarra)

    $20k to spare

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    1. Looks great. I would go Grundy over Gawn just cos I think Gawn and Goldy are too similar. If you think the Rules will effect their type more positively than a new-age Grundy then fine, but I’d be hedging the risk.

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  30. Have made a few changes love to hear peoples opinion

    DEF: Lloyd, Whitfield, Z. Williams, Collins, Hore, Wilkie (Koschitzke, Wigg)

    MID: Dangerfield, Cripps, Fyfe, Bontempelli, Martin, Miles, Stocker, Constable(Bewley,Valente, Hind)

    RUC: Grundy,Gawn (Fort)

    FWD: Smith, Heeney, Gray, Setterfield, McAdam Corbett (Burgess, Cavarra)

    Have moved Danger into the mids aa am unsure how a couple will come back after post season ops and also gives me the mid/fwd swap option

    Left with $40800 in the bank

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  31. Hey guys, still in early stages but would love to know what you guys think.

    DEF: Laird, Whitfield, Witherden, Mills, Scrimshaw, Burgess (Hore, Wigg)

    MID: Macrae, Cripps, Kelly, Neale, Crouch, Stocker, Bewley, Hind (Smith, Valente, Hayes)

    RUC: Grundy, Goldstein (Sweet)

    FWD: Dangerfield, Heeney, Wingard, Setterfield, Cavarra, Corbett (Parker, Mosquito)

    $15,000 left

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  32. Rate my heavy defence, light mid team:

    D: Lloyd, Laird, Sicily, Whitfield, Mills, Naish, (Watson, Wigg)
    M: Macrae, Danger, Cripps, Treloar, Stocker, Constable, Atley, Bewley, (Valente, Hewett, Wicks)
    R: Grundy, Goldy, (Fort)
    F: Menegola, Heeney, DeGoey, Setterfield,
    McAdam, Hill, Cavarra, Riach

    Daniher, Danger & maybe Curnow to the forward line
    Gibbons will replace someone in the mid, will chase Coliver, Kelly & others (Libba?)
    Ruck, set, forget
    Def: keen on Newman or the standout def premo who I can’t predict atm

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    1. The more premos you pick on one line, the more likely it is you’ll MISS one (or two) and it’ll be hard to manoeuvre. That said you could have 5 of the top6! Just a risk I wouldn’t take. Plus there will likely be enough rookies to not NEED to do that.
      MID and RUC look good
      Is DeGoey off managed loads yet? I’d want to know that first.
      If you swing Danger FWD you’ll have 4 x Rd13 byes with only two bench spots! Not ideal.

      What’s your thinking behind such a shift in structure?!

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      1. I look forward to the chaos of inevitable forced trades! I also think the number 8 premo can outscore the number 1 premo any given week – I like to roll the dice. I’m worried about missing out on rookie value increases in def but the rooks generally don’t ton up whereas fwd/mids might.. I don’t plan for byes until 2 weeks before – a bad week followed by a good week balance each other out (?). That being said, I also don’t finish inside the top 5%…

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        1. Micheal.

          I would like to point out that last year Tim Kelly was by far the best rookie. Then the next three were all defenders.

          This is their averages and cash growth up until their byes

          Doedee. ave 81 $260K
          Finlayson. ave 79 $ 210K
          Murray. ave 72 ( until r9) still made $210k.

          I know it changes year to year. but based on these figures I would be including Collins and a minimum of 3 other rookies for round 1.

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  33. Hi guys please rate and comment all feedback welcome

    Def Lloyd Whitfield witherden Smith Rozee Collins Wilkie McKay

    Mids Cripps Martin Sloane zerret Ross Walsh Constable hind Bewley Valente langlands

    Rucks Grundy goldy fort

    Fwds danger Heeney Riewoldt lukosious setterfield McAdam Burgess Cavarra

    14 keepers potentially with Smith

    Obviously looking at gibbons wigg Clarke petrucelle roberton Dursma if named also McGrath with dpp cheers

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    1. Looks good and a couple of decent PODs (Sloane and Ross).

      Smith is a risk but could pay off big time. Worth a dash if the rookies don’t come through with an unders Witherden at D3.

      Just not sure I’d start Riewoldt. He’s bound to fluctuate so I’d be looking to pick him up when he’s cheaper.

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        1. If you’re not set on a third then:
          i. I wouldn’t force one in I’m not 100% happy with,
          ii. I’d wait to see how many legitimate starting rookies are named FWD for Rd1, then depending on that
          iii. If you’re still a player short, I’d more likely go for a potential mid-price mover (should make a little cash and give you more points than picking a rookie who looks crap!). Am thinking Higgins, CCurnow, Fisher, Himmelberg and the like. There are a few to choose from and we don’t have a crystal ball, but you get the idea.

          It’s all a matter of taste and circumstances. I’m likely going Mundy now as it seems with Neale gone and Blakely now down injured, he’s being talked about as getting siginificantly more mid-time. The other thing I read was that Roughy had a few runs through the middle in match sim!! But he would be a no from me! Champion tho he is.

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              1. I believe Mundy won’t be too affected by Blakelys return.

                I’m not sure Blakely will have enough fitness base to go straight into the midfield when he eventually gets back into the team.

                Mundy and Walters ( if he can stay fit ) will continue to swap between forward and mid for most of the season.

                I have confidence Mundy will finish as a top 10 forward again in 2019.

                Last year of all the forwards to play 22 games Mundy was the 4th top scorer and that was with minimal midfield time due to lachie still being there.

                Mundy is a lock for me.

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  34. Let the opinions Roll
    Laird. Ryan. Witherden. Williams
    4 rookies
    Cripps. Fyfe. Beams. Coniglio. Merret ?
    6 rookies
    Martin. Goldy.
    Danger. Heeney. Lynch ? . Greene ?
    4 rookies
    105 k in the bank

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      I’m not sure if Lynch or Greene will be ready round 1.

      I would be looking at replacing them with a Solid Premo and another rookie.

      Smith and Mundy are both solid choices.

      Wingard and Dunkley are slightly cheaper but both come with some risk, both could easily pay off as well.

      I would also use the spare cash to get in Grundy.

      I think he is a must have at R1 this year.

      Best of luck in 2019.

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  35. L. Whitfield, A. Witherden, Z. Williams J. Scrimshaw C. Wilkie
    (M. Hore , H. Wigg)

    P. Cripps, N. Fyfe, L. Neale, Z. Merrett, I. Heeney, C. Ellis, L. Stocker, C. Constable
    (B. Bewley, N. Hind, L. Foley)

    B. Grundy, S. Naismith (D. Fort)

    P. Dangerfield, D. Smith, C. Wingard, J. Stephenson, I. Rankine, B. Cavarra,
    (N. Blakey, S. McAdam)

    First Crack!!!!!!

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      1. Stephenson an interesting pick! As a pies fan hope he does well but can’t see him getting out of the forward pocket this season with our midfield. I’d maybe downgrade to a rookie & upgrade Ellis to Libba/Miles.

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      2. Jeff, good Defense. Midfield also strong but I don’t think Ellis is a keeper and Walsh will score similar and earn money with good JS. Rucks need to be strengthened. Forwards are risky. Wingard is a wait and see as he currently has calf problems. Stephenson is a great player bu5 he will not average in 5he 90’s so he is not a keeper. You need to trad3 him down to a rookie and use the cash to upgrade your rucks to Goldy, if you have the cash. Cheers and good luck….M.

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  36. Hey everyone, this is my first team, please feel free to comment.

    Laird, Whitfield, Z Williams, Roberton, Collins, Burgess (Wigg, Walker)

    Cripps, Fyfe, Kelly, M Crouch, Merrett, Miles, Walsh, Stocker (Constable, Mosquito, Hind)

    Grundy, Mummy (Subject to change, still unsure of my rucks)

    Dangerfield, Westhoff, Wingard, Rankine, Setterfield, McAdam (Cavarra, Wicks)

    Rookies and rucks are set to change. Thanks.

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    1. Westhoff warning bells. With a fit Ryder & the acquisition of Lycett he’s likely to be plonked up forward again.
      Mummy missing first 2 games but okay to keep if you’re not playing for overall. If you’re feeling really risky you could start Fort at R2 and trade to Mummy after Rd 4 before Mummy goes up in price. That way you can see how Mummy’s performing too before trading him in.

      Batting pretty deep in the mids, but not necessarily a bad thing. If you’re looking for some more cash I’d consider trading Miles out or having him at M5.

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      1. Thanks for responding mate, I have 130k in bank, any suggestions for a replacement for Westhoff? What shold I do to improve my mids? Thanks again!

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  37. It’s great to see a lot of teams with heaps of coaches getting involved.
    Not too fussed yet, mainly waiting for the jlt to see what the new rules bring. If not a whole lot changes i’ll go a 14 man squad. but if the kick in rule does stuff, i like this so far.
    Def-Lloyd, Sicily, Ryan, Collins, Logue, Quaynor-Hore, wigg

    Mid-Macrae, Cripps, Neale, Dusty, Sloane, Stocker, Atley, Bewley-Hind, Hayes, Atkins.

    Ruc-Grundy, Gawn-Fort

    Mid-Danger, Menegola, Heeney, Mcadam, Corbett, Petrucelle-Cavara, Parker.

    Whatever it ends up as, I seem to be starting, Lloyd, Macrae, Cripps, Grawndy, Danger and Menegola

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    1. Tof.

      I like the look of this team with a few pods in Sloane and Menegola.

      I would be a bit worried about your bye structure with 7 of your 13 starting premos having the same R13 Bye. ( both your rucks and your whole forward line.)

      This really limits your ability to recruit any more R13 bye players pre Byes, without really throwing things way out of balance.

      Otherwise looks pretty good.

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      1. Yep, you have 22 players. So 7-7-8 missing every week of the byes. I’ve already reached my quota of round 13 players.
        I personally feel I need danger and Heeney to keep up with the pack. But I think menegola is super important to outscore other people’s f3. Lloyd and Grundy are must haves imo. So want Gawn to out score everyone else’s r2.
        Then Neale, he’s been carefully chosen over all the other mids due to durability, celing room for improvement.
        So from my point of view all having the same bye sucks but I didn’t select them they selected themselves.

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        1. I agree with a lot of your logic on why you want to keep all those R13 Bye players but I still feel it will be a disadvantage down the track. With so many other Premo choices surely you could change one or two?

          I’m not sure what you mean by 22 players 7/7/8?

          I’m talking about premo starters and only the best 18 players are scored over the Byes anyway.

          This means if you have 7 premos missing R13 ( barring any pre bye upgrades) you will have only 7 Premos and 11+ rookies on field R13. (You will also have nearly all your captains choices missing this week as well)

          If you are starting 14 premo’s an Ideal bye structure would be 5/5/4. or no more than 5 missing on any one week.

          You could stretch this out to 4/6/4 structure but your still going to be limited to who you can recruit pre byes. If you want to hold some form of balance.

          Lets just say pre byes you want to get in Oliver or Witherden or both?,as they have bottomed out in price. I wouldn’t want to be in a situation to have to pass up a great deal because its going to throw my byes into chaos.

          Some SC players are more focused on cash league wins and are quite willing to concede one of the bye weeks, in the hope of winning the other two.

          If you have an eye on ranking and overall a lame bye week can really negatively impact your season.

          I just think starting an even bye structure gives you the most options to pick up the best talent pre Byes and hence have a even performance over the bye period.

          I hope that makes some sense. 🙂

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          1. 7/7/8 22 players divided by 3. If full premium thru the byes 7 players missing one round, 7 the next then 8 on the other one. Of course with the 3 trades a week during the byes that will change. I’m basing this 7/7/8 as a guide during the season to not go over for trade inns for any one bye round. And if I get as close to that as possible during the byes I can skewer those numbers using the 3trades.
            Yes you only have 18 scoring players but I’m not letting that get in the way of full premo asap.
            Besides, I have a plan.

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            1. Love to hear your plan Tof.

              Over all the years of playing SC, I have never heard of any coach getting to full Premo pre Byes.

              Come round 13 you will have 3 trades ,but can only really choose players that had the Bye round 12. Otherwise they will be missing the next week.

              I’m honestly curious to hear how you plan to structure things, and have an even outcome over the Byes?

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              1. Hey, freo, I actually stated THRU the byes not before them.
                There will be no even outcome what so ever. I hope to be around par for 2 rounds, then ahead on 1.
                As for the plan,it hinges on a few factors going right. Most prominently rookie availability and premiums dropping when i want them to(no particular premium, just any from a particular bye).
                The general gist of it is to have 18 premiums on the field at r14 without tanking r 12/13. Basically(right or wrong) i believe that round 14 has the weakest pool of players and i want to try and capitalize on that without tanking either of the other 2 rounds.

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  38. Alright, here’s another go:

    DEF: J. Lloyd, L. Whitfield, L. Ryan, D. Roberton, S. Collins, C. Burgess (M. Hore, H. Wigg)

    MID: P. Cripps, C. Oliver, J. Kelly, Z. Merrett, A. Brayshaw, L. Stocker, C. Constable, B. Bewley (J. Atley, N. Hind, M. Gibbons*)

    RUCK: B. Grundy, M. Gawn (J. Sweet)

    FWD: P. Dangerfield, I. Heeney, D. Mundy, W. Setterfield, S. McAdam, B. Cavarra (J. Corbett, M. Parker)

    The main thing I’ve done is downgraded Fyfe to Brayshaw to free up some cash. I think Brayshaw can push for uber-premium status this year, as he finished the year off averaging roughly 107 after the byes, and will only improve with another pre-season under his belt.

    I then used the cash to upgrade Williams to Ryan, who I think will push for an average of 100 this season with all of the extra kick-in points with the new rules, and Williamson to Roberton. I feel Roberton is just Miles, but 50k cheaper, as best case scenario he can sit at D6 and average 90-95, otherwise he is just a stepping stone to an actual premo that outscores rookies in the early going.

    Let us know what you think! This team is definitely a lot riskier than my last iteration.

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    1. Ben.

      I’m not sure Fyfe is the one that should go to make way for Brayshaw. Fyfe is more likely than not to average 120+ early ,with a heap of favourable fixtures this year.

      With Oliver still recovering from those shoulders I would be looking at him first, Also with Viney returning it may not be prudent to have both Brayshaw and Oliver.

      Oliver to Fyfe should also slightly improve your Bye structure.

      Best of luck whatever you decide.

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  39. $16k in the bank and rookies will change based off JLT

    Whitfield, Witherden, Weller, Roberton, Cumming, Stein (Schumacher, Garner)

    Cripps, Fyfe, J.Kelly, Bont, B.Crouch, Miles, Hanners, Constable (Berry, Smith, Valente)

    Grundy, Gawn (Alabakis)

    Danger, Dunkley, Greene, Blakey, Lewis, Setterfield (Silvagni, Young)

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    1. Scotty too many risky midpricers for me.

      Greene is very unlikely for r1 so should be scratched for now.

      Miles and Roberton could work out and are worth keeping as midprices if you like.

      I would be scrapping Hanners, Weller and B Crouch and trying to find a couple of Value premos and another rookie. Collins GCS in defence is a bit pricey for a rookie but should be worth the cash.

      I would even consider Gawn down to Goldie or S Martin if you need the extra funds.

      Best of luck in 1019.

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  40. Little to all comments welcome obviously it’s very early. My endeavour is to take a couple risks but also want a good amount of POD this season.

    Lloyd Whitfield Smith Rozee Collins Scrimshaw

    Hore Wigg

    Cripps Kelly Neale Yeo Sloane Hatley Stocker Bewly

    Valente Minchington Sparrow

    Grundy Gawn
    ***** loophole

    Dangerfield Smith Heeney Rankine Setterfield
    Cavarra

    Parker Mc Adam.

    Key decisions

    Going without Fyfe. I need durability. Especially in premo’s I know he can and probably will go big but on average last 5 years misses at least 6 games

    Sloane, Captaincy back and firing in pre season with Crouch brothers emerging if fit I think less tagging attention and the new centre bounce rules can help him get back to that 114 average of a few years ago. Ranks elite in all areas of Supercoach royalty I’m backing him to bounce back

    Yeo. I’m picking him because I think he can go a step further from 107 average to the elite 115+ just basically want to know do people think he will improve tread water or go backward.

    Thanks guys

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    1. Nice team Trav.

      My only real concern is having Smith at D3.
      Not only is he a injury risk ,but these new kick out rules could really advantage certain defenders. I would keep a close eye on who’s taking the kick ins at the Crows.
      I would have a plan to upgrade him if you need too.

      I’m undecided on the Grundy / Gawn ruck combo.

      I’m currently leaning towards Grundy / Goldstein.

      My thinking is if there’s a drop off in ruck output due to less stoppages. You can mitigate the risk by only going one of the top $ guys. I prefer Grundy due to his ability to get 20+ touches most weeks ,meaning he will have less reliance on hit outs to still score well.

      Dropping Gawn down to Goldie will give you the cash to turn Smith into durable defensive keeper. ( preferably a kick out taker)

      All this thinking may change if Gawn can kill it in the JLT.
      I would have a plan either way.

      Yeo is a very solid pick and is in a few astute coaches sides already. Sloane although slightly more risky could kill it if the Crows can return to some form ,and start winning a few more games in 2019. Well worth a punt.

      Best of luck in 2019.

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  41. L. Whitfield, H. Andrews, Z. Williams D. Roberton, S. Collins, C. Wilkie
    (M. Hore , H. Wigg)

    P. Cripps, N. Fyfe, L. Neale, Z. Merrett, D. Zorko, S. Walsh, J. Hately, W. Setterfield
    (B. Bewley, N. Hind, L. Stocker)

    B. Grundy, S. Mumford (D. Fort)

    P. Dangerfield, I. Heeney, J.Dunkley, T. Greene, I. Rankine, C. Rozee,
    (C. Burgess, B. Cavarra)

    Hoping Fort or another rookie ruck able to cover for Mummy during suspension.
    103k in the bank. Any feedback appreciated

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    1. Mummy B/E of 101 very risky early apart from that very good team you could downgrade a FWD to get a upgrade on Mummy

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      1. His B/E is 58?

        Regardless, he’s suspended the first couple of rounds anyway so unless there is a rookie forward, as you mentioned downgrading a FWD to bring in another premo ruck is the way to go.

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  42. Hey all

    Wanted to discuss Jack Macrae quickly, and the fact he is the highest priced mid we can select, and is almost considered a POD being in only 21% of teams.

    I understand that a lot of people expecting his price to drop and wanting to bring him in later, but you might be kicking yourself for not having him in your side round 1.

    Here’s why!

    Turning only 25 this year, he lifted his game to another level from mid 2017 where he averaged 114 from round 14 onwards (106 for the whole year)

    In 2018 he turned it up even further with 12 games over 120 points and a ceiling of 189. And only dropped below 100 on 3 occasions (once being an injury where he scored 51 and was injured during the 2nd quarter)

    Now if you take out that score of 51 and average the rest of his games he comes in at a 131 average, making him the highest supercoach average in the league.

    The bulldogs have the 5th easiest draw according to champion data, so they will probably be motivated to push themselves back up the ladder so expect them to come out firing.

    Risks to his score / price – would have to be the resurgence of Bont and Libba, and also some tough games in the first 4 weeks. This could see his average drop if he is maybe moved to a wing and can’t get enough of the footy in those games.

    Worth taking a 2nd look at Macrae, if you’ve already crossed him off your list for round 1. I’m going to start with him at this stage but will be watching his pre-season with interest.

    Would love your thoughts / feedback on why you think only 21% of teams have him or why you think he is bad pick to start with?

    Cheers

    Barto

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    1. Barto,

      The risks are why I don’t have him…..yet.

      There was no Libba, Bont was forward most of the time and Hunter was starring on the “other” wing.

      If he goes on the other wing will that increase his scoring?

      Maybe Mr Magnets will just rotate him wing-centre-wing……can’t wait for JLT!!!!

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    2. Barto.

      I think your 3rd last paragraph sums it up for me.

      Along with Libba (on really able to play inside mid) potentially more mid time for the Bont. Add to that, the emergence of Mclean and especially Dunkley.

      All this combined with Bevo’s ( now known as “Mr Magnets”)
      habit of throwing players around. I just feel there is too much risk for someone costing $689 700.

      I have no doubt Macrea is more than capable of finishing the year in the top 8 mids. I’m just gambling he will hopefully be a bit cheaper closer to the Byes and I can ride his huge late season scores all the way home.

      He is at the very top of my upgrade target list. but I won’t be starting him.

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      1. Thanks for the thoughts guys..

        I Probably couldn’t see the forest through the trees, was too caught up looking at the possible upside.

        Will swap him out for Fyfe and use the money elsewhere.

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        1. I would get Cripps first.

          And although it hurts to say I would go Neale over Fyfe too.

          Neale doesn’t have Fyfe’s ceiling but is much more likely to stay on the park and save you a trade.

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    3. What happens if he goes bang bang bang and averages 140 over first 3-4 rounds, possibly 7-8? Game over?

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      1. It could happen Tof.

        If you think he will. Start him.

        I only give my humble opinion.

        I strongly advise everyone to do their own research and, ultimately just go with your gut.

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  43. Been a while since I posted an effort, so here goes:

    DEF: LLOYD, SICILY, WHITFIELD, Collins, Quaynor, Hore (Wigg, Watson l/h)

    MID: CRIPPS, FYFE, YEO, MARTIN, TARANTO, MiLeS, Bewley, Hind (Stocker, M.Allen, Sparrow)

    RUC: GAWN, GOLDSTEIN (Fort)

    FWD: DANGERFIELD, HEENEY, MUNDY, Setterfield, Parker, Cavarra (Hill, Schultz/Corbett)

    $75.5k ITB

    Have been shifting crap around for a while, but am pretty much set on DEF RUC and FWD premos should rookie numbers and further inevitable pre-season carnage allow. Not COMPLETELY sold on Fyfe, just cos of his durability (not worried so much about his current elbow issue). Am VERY tempted to D/G him to Jack STEELE, but as a Sainter I find those decisions real hard. That would free up some cash, for a juicy little mid-pricer should the rookies not come out to play, so may be a fall-back position.

    I may also consider DUNKLEY in for MUNDY too, if Dunks continues to ‘turn heads’ on the track. Love Mundy (from last year) and with more mid-time guaranteed think I’d be stupid not to, but the return of Blakely will likely impact his scoring negatively post-bye or sooner. That said, Mr Magnets could ruin me as early as Rd1!

    Rookies are obviously subject to change and Gibbons will be a definite IN should that eventuate. Though he WON’T be allowed to participate in the JLT series under the PSSPPSPSPSP Rules which means we won’t get a proper look at him before Rd1. Apparently we don’t need one according to CAR fans who’ve been watching him these last few weeks!

    All thoughts and opinions most welcome. Ta

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    1. Gawn over Grundy ?

      To quote a infamous Fish and Chip shop owner ” please explain”

      The rest of your team, and notes make perfect sense.

      Looking very solid for R1

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      1. Thanks mate. How close are we now in team selections?!

        That’s a Freudian typo-slip by the way.
        It’s supposed to be Reg, but I’m seriously worried about not having Gawn.
        Still, I also have upmost confidence in big Goldie delivering the goods and what it affords me on other lines more than compensates.

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        1. We are getting pretty close.

          I don’t have Sicily, Yeo, Martin ,Taranto or MiLes.

          I’m trying to find the cash to have the option to turn Goldie into Gawn if enough cheap rookies show up. It does reek havoc with my bye structure though. 😉

          I am in two minds. One says Gawn and Grundy are going to be streaks ahead and should be locks. The other says maybe a reduction in stoppages may impact the Rucks overall scoring, meaning Gawn and Grundy may end up being rather over priced. To mitigate this risk ,I have prioritised Grundy as I feel he gets more touches around the ground and is less like to be negatively impacted.

          I guess in your case you could always downgrade Miles to a rookie (if enough show up) and turn Goldie into Gawn if you feel the need.

          I guess you need to ask yourself.Do you think Goldie and Miles will out score say Gibbons and Gawn? or even Walsh and Gawn?

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  44. Had to repost with GRUNDY and not Gawn. I hate typo/errors 😉

    DEF: LLOYD, SICILY, WHITFIELD, Collins, Quaynor, Hore (Wigg, Watson l/h)

    MID: CRIPPS, FYFE, YEO, MARTIN, TARANTO, MiLeS, Bewley, Hind (Stocker, M.Allen, Sparrow)

    RUC: GRUNDY, GOLDSTEIN (Fort)

    FWD: DANGERFIELD, HEENEY, MUNDY, Setterfield, Parker, Cavarra (Hill, Schultz/Corbett)

    $75.5k ITB

    Have been shifting crap around for a while, but am pretty much set on DEF RUC and FWD premos should rookie numbers and further inevitable pre-season carnage allow. Not COMPLETELY sold on Fyfe, just cos of his durability (not worried so much about his current elbow issue). Am VERY tempted to D/G him to Jack STEELE, but as a Sainter I find those decisions real hard. That would free up some cash, for a juicy little mid-pricer should the rookies not come out to play, so may be a fall-back position.

    I may also consider DUNKLEY in for MUNDY too, if Dunks continues to ‘turn heads’ on the track. Love Mundy (from last year) and with more mid-time guaranteed think I’d be stupid not to, but the return of Blakely will likely impact his scoring negatively post-bye or sooner. That said, Mr Magnets could ruin me as early as Rd1!

    Rookies are obviously subject to change and Gibbons will be a definite IN should that eventuate. Though he WON’T be allowed to participate in the JLT series under the PSSPPSPSPSP Rules which means we won’t get a proper look at him before Rd1. Apparently we don’t need one according to CAR fans who’ve been watching him these last few weeks!

    All thoughts and opinions most welcome. Ta
    Charlie Babbitt

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    1. Really like it (maybe because there is only 4 real differences to my team!).

      Love the Mundy and Taranto picks as PODS. Currently have Wingard at F3 myself however if i had the funds id like to bring Mundy or Menegola in as a replacement. Also decided to change Miles to Zac Williams as at this stage the midfield rookies look the be better than those in defence (and cheaper).

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      1. Thanks. Sounds like a plan Zac. If the DEF rookies don’t show up I’d likely go Hore to Mills and Miles to Gibbons.
        Would leave me no money ITB but where there’s a means …

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  45. Backline
    Laird Crisp Williams B.Smith Collins Scrimshaw
    BENCH Watson Wigg

    Midfield
    Cripps Oliver Fyfe Martin Merrett Miles Stocker Hind
    BENCH E.Smith Bewley Mosquito

    Ruck
    Gawn Goldstein
    BENCH Fort

    Forward
    Dangerfield Heeney Greene Rankine Rozee Setterfield
    BENCH Parker Cavarra

    Thoughts on team down below thanks
    4.9k remaining salary

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    1. Just think you’re trying to go TOO deep on each line at the cost of decent premos.
      No stress at this point. Just wait to see what decent rookies turn up and put ALL the decent ones in. Think you’ll be surprised what you can afford at the premo level.
      On lines where you are still not confident, then you can look at mid-price gambles (who have had a FULL pre-season AND don’t have an injury history).
      You’ll be much better placed.
      Good luck

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  46. AS, FT,

    Love your work guys…….

    Try this one ATM…….

    Sicily Whitfield Williams
    Collins Logue Duursma
    Burgess Wigg

    Cripps Coniglio Yeo Martin
    Viney Liberatore Bewley Hind
    Constable Ling* Atkins*

    Grundy Sinclair
    Fort

    Dangerfield Heeney Mundy
    Worpel Rozee Setterfield
    Corbett Cavarra

    2900 itb
    *Gibbons depending whether he’s DPP (and which one)
    Well he might be……..LOL……
    NOTE ATM bye rounds 20-20-20 players.

    Ok go for it………….

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    1. Alf.

      I can tell your not adverse to a few risks.

      This team could fire out of the blocks and set you up for a great season. It could just as easily cost you a fair few early trades with injuries. This could leave you wishing you had gone a couple of safer options to start.

      I’m not totally against a Worpel type forward. The kid has guts and will get more midfield time with Mitchell going down. I still think he is a fairly long shot to average enough to be considered a forward keeper. If you feel different pick him as he may work out.

      I’m more worried about both Libba and Viney. Maybe they will both stay fit and do well. I feel it’s more likely you will need to burn a trade on each of them through injury or the want to upgrade.

      And I’m the most worried about Sinclair.
      He has a very small head, and his eyes are kinda too close together.
      I feel this would make him very hard to own in SC and I would prefer Goldstein’s smiley face 🙂

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  47. Take 2:

    Backs: Lloyd, Laird, Whitfield, Collins, Quaynor, Scrimshaw (Wilkie, Wiggs)

    Mids: Cripps, Oliver, Fyfe, Neale, Miles,
    Walsh, B Smith, Constable (Bewley, Langlands, Valente)

    Rucks: Grundy, Goldstein (Fort)

    Forwards: Danger, D Smith, Riewoldt*, Rankine, Settlefield, I Hill (Petrucelle, Parker)

    $66k left

    * pod player

    Comments welcome

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    1. Looks good, but I am pretty certain that Riewoldt will be considerably cheaper than he is now at some point further down the track.
      KPPs tend to provide you with better POD opportunities later in the season.
      If you want a Rd14 POD to start in your FWD line, I reckon you will be far better off looking for a third/fourth year, high-draft player who looks like they’re gonna get more MID minutes in 2019, eg a CCurnow, Fisher, Higgins type, who can score points, make a little cash and offer a nice little sideways trade to a fallen KPP POD come the byes.
      Good luck

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  48. Team Two.
    DEF Sicily Lloyd Whitfeild Collins Logue Scrimshaw 2 rooks
    MIDS Cripps Fyfe Kelly Neale Sloane Stocker Constable Bewley Gibbons Ling (Maddon)
    FWD Danger Heeney Mundey Blakey Setterfeild Cobett McAdam Cavarra
    RUCKS Grundy Nank Fort

    61K left

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  49. Greetings all, this is my first crack for the year !!

    Sicily, Whitfield, C Mills, Z Williams, Scrimshaw, Wigg (Wilke, Burgess)
    Macrae, Cripps, Fyfe, Martin, Constable, Bewley, Valente, Woodcock (Hind, Setterfield, Storker)
    Grundy, Gawn (Schlensos)
    Dangerfield, Heeney, Dunkley, Wingard, Cavarra, Parker (Corbett, Mosquito)
    $100 left

    I play in a strong cash league so that is the main focus (I am usually top 5000 though). No doubt the need for early wins will mean many a change to try to spread the wealth so to speak. I can already see Merrett instead of Sicily , Heeney & Macrae being Neale, Miles or Hanners plus Greene if he is fit R1 or something like that.

    The team above though potentially means only 8 upgrades are needed (subject to injuries, etc) which is why I like it. Sicily to Merrett seems like a pretty good idea though.

    Any thoughts appreciated, thanks guys

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    1. Can you provide your thinking for Williams over Smith.? And If mills doesn’t gain midfield time do you keep him or replace.? Good Luck.

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      1. Thanks Vic, and yeah Mills is picked purely on being a midfielder and won’t be there if he isn’t. Most would have had Brodie Smith at some point after his All Australian year and most would have been burned by him too (guilty !!). I am not picking Zac Williams to make money but in the hope that he is a keeper and the same with Mills and I certainly think Williams is a better chance of this than Smith so that is my (current) thinking.

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  50. J. Lloyd. Whitfield, A. Witherden, Z. Williams J. Scrimshaw C. Wilkie
    (M. Hore , H. Wigg)

    P. Cripps, N. Fyfe, L. Neale, Z. Merrett, D Martin , S Walsh, N Hind, C. Constable
    (B. Bewley, L. Stocker Hind, L. Foley)

    Martin, Goldy (D. Fort)

    P. Dangerfield, D. Smith, I. Heeney, I. Rankine, B. Cavarra, J. Petruccelle
    (N. Blakey, S. McAdam)

    Second crack!!!! after some good feedback from this forum

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  51. Any feedback is appreciated
    still 50/50 on gawn

    DEF-
    Lloyd scicily whitfield b.smith collins wilkie (wigg hore)

    MID –
    macrae cripps yeo martin miles walsh stocker brewely (hind valente smith)

    RUCKS –
    grundy goldy

    FWDS –
    danger heeney mundy rozee setterfield mcaddam (burges cavara)

    thoughts ??

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  52. Lloyd, Laird, Sicily
    Collins, Logue, Quaynor
    (Wilkie, Hore)

    Macrae, Cripps, Coniglio, Merrett
    Miles, Walsh, Constable, Bewley
    (Valente, Hind, Hayes)

    Grundy, Gawn
    (Fort)

    Dangerfield, Heeney, Mundy
    Setterfield, Corbett, Parker
    (McAdam, Cavarra)

    is my midfield too thin?

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  53. Only second year of super coach for me so any help or comments appreciated.

    DEF – Lloyd , Laird , Witherdon , N.Newman , Williamson , Scrimshaw , Wigg , Wilkie.

    MID – Cripps , Fyfe , Martin , M.Crouch , Miles , Setter field , Stocker , Bewley , Hind , Valente , Sparrow.

    RUC – Martin , Longer , Fort.

    FWD – Danger , Menegola , Heeney , R.Gray , Rozee , Rankine , McAdam , Parker.

    $85,000 left in the bank. Cheers for any help.

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  54. Second go at a team here, rip it apart!
    DEF: Lloyd, Whitfield, Andrews, Collins, Quaynor, Wilkie (Wigg, Khamis)

    MID: Cripps, Fyfe, Neale, Duncan, Beams, Walsh, Constable, Bewley (Stocker, Mosquito, Hind)

    RUC: Grundy, Nank (Fort)

    FOR: Danger, Smith, Heeney, Blakey, Setterfield, Corbett (Burgess, Cavarra)

    Cheers in advance for any sort of feedback!

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    1. G’day Harley!

      The defence and forward line is looking great, very interested to see how young Harris Andrews does this year. Could definitely see him sneak into the top 6 backs for the year.

      Duncan and Beams are two picks that do worry me, especially Beams. Not sure what type of role he will play at the pies this year with an already stacked midfield. Might move into a more half back role as he ages.
      I can’t see them edging into the top 8 mids so would love to hear your thoughts on them!

      Also wanted to hear your thoughts on Nank. Will you be trying to pick up Gawn or Goldy a bit later on in the season?

      All the best for the season mate!

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      1. Sean.

        Scrimshaw is in a lot of teams too.
        Who knows if he will get a game either?

        I call them seat warmers.

        They are usually priced slightly above the average rookie. This allows you to downgrade them to a budget rookie and pocket cash.Or upgrade them ( with not too much expense) to a Rozee / Collins type if they fire in JLT. This also ( most importantly) helps you maintain your overall structure.

        Nobody really knows who’s going to turn up Round 1.

        I think its smart planning to have a couple of seat warmers for now. 🙂

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  55. Def.
    Lloyd, Whitfield, witherden, williams, collins, wilkie (hore, wigg)

    Mid.
    Macrae, cripps, fyfe, neale, miles, walsh, bennell, stocker (constable, hind, valente)

    Ruck.
    Grundy, goldy (fort)

    For.
    Danger, heeney, wingard, setterfield, corbett, cavara (mcadams, burgess)

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  56. Had a side I liked but it depended on whether fort was playing or not
    Version 2now

    DEFS
    Laird, Whitfield, Ryan, Collins, Scrimshaw, Wigg
    (Wilkie, Hore)

    MIDS
    Cripps, Oliver, Fyfe, Neale, Bontempelli, Miles, Bewley, Hind
    (Stocker, Mosquito, West)

    RUCKS
    Grundy, Goldstein
    (Sweet)

    FWDS
    Dangerfield, Heeney, Dunkley, Setterfield, Krueger, Parker
    (Corbett, Cavarra)

    Rookies and JLT will bring changes
    Rip it apart and I can’t wait for the footy

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  57. Here’s where I’m at …
    I’ve stacked the mids and left the fwds a bit short, might have to change after seeing JLT,but I think there’s just a ton more reliable scoring in the mids than what is available at fwd. So …
    Def: Laird, Witherden, Williams, Williamson, Hore, Wilkie, (McKay, Wigg)
    Mid: Cripps, Kelly, Neale, Bont, Martin, M.Crouch, Merrett, Atley (Bewley, Valente, Hind)
    Ruck: Grundy, Goldy
    Fwd: Danger, Heeney, Setterfield,McAdam, Cavarra, Corbett (Mosquito, Burgess)

    $3600 left.

    Too much in the mids, right? Nah!

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    1. I’m sure people will tell you it is, and I won’t be going down this road, but at the end of the day it’s got the target of 13 keepers, which could be 14 if Williams outdoes himself. Probably doesn’t matter which line they come from other than the the midfield line often being the best generator of money through your cash cows.
      Who knows, maybe the book ends will have the better cows this season? Plus I think 4 of your premo mids have potentially got a bit of cash generation in them too, which could offset the lack of cows through that line. I think you may generally get negative feedback from the cookie cutters, but you won’t get it from me.
      Back yourself in.

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