108 thoughts on “Rate My Team (January #2)”

  1. DEF: Williams, Daniel, Docherty, Young, Starcevich, Williamson (Worrell, Gould)

    MID: Macrae, Fyfe, J. Kelly, Cripps, Oliver, Rowell, Pickett, McHenry (Rivers, Mahony, Hibberd)

    RUC: Grundy, Gawn (Draper)

    FWD: Whitfield, Martin, Smith, S. Hill, Cockatoo, Rankine (M. King, Cahill)

    $59.6k left in the bank. I got rid of Doedee because I’m not sure that he’s worth the risk, could be the same value found in a guy like Williamson which then allows me to have a second premo (Martin) in the FWD line. Was tossing up between Fyfe/Danger and will probably go Fyfe. Only mid-pricer I’ve gone for is Smith.

    Thoughts?

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    1. Solid across the board. Like the Daniel pick, I’m a big fan of consistent players in starting sides.

      Quite a few expensive rookies, which gives you some flexibility if you need to fiddle with your side when the round one teams drop.

      If you end up dropping one of Fyfe or Kelly, I’d be inclined to make it Kelly. Think GWS, with their midfield depth, are more likely to be conservative with their top shelf players. Slight niggle = rested. Fyfe carries the Freo midfield, and is the skipper. Can also rest forward and still impact games, so more likely to stick it out through a minor injury.

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    2. Daniel is a liability in defense, gets hammered in 1 to 1 contests surely beverage realizes this. Good for SC coaches not good if you want to win the Flag. With the addition of kieth expect this JJ and crozier to share this role.

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  2. DEF: Williams, Laird, Docherty, Doedee, S. Hill, Gould (Murphy, Rivers)

    MID: Macrae, Neale, Cripps, Mitchell, Dangerfield, Rowell, Valente, Pickett (Robertson, Mahony, Hibberd)

    RUC: Grundy, Gawn (Comben)

    FWD: Whitfield, Martin, D. Smith, Kropinyeri-Pickett, E. Smith, Rankine (McAdam, Brownless)

    $4.7k ITB

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    1. Structure is pretty standard/safe, so I’ll just pick out a few names.

      Laird worries me. I can’t help but shake the feeling he’s become a bit too outside and pedestrian for CD, and where other players end up with scores that seem to eclipse their stats, Laird seemed to go the other way with scores that looked unders for what his stat sheet would otherwise suggest.

      Mitchell is a wait and see. Think there was an article in which he was a bit cagey about his return. No doubt in my mind he’ll be there round one (barring a new injury), but he’s not discounted all that much and is priced the same as some other uber-premos. Will also need to be seen how the emergence of Worpel and the continued development of O’Meara affect his scoring. Will likely be up there, but may see a drop early and could be a better upgrade target.

      Smith concerns me too, but not writing him off. Just need to see him back to his best and running around the park in the JLT.

      Rookies are rookies, all subject to selection.

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  3. Great team! If I’m knit picking I’d say I’m not a huge fan of starting both Fyfe and Kelly (but watch them both play 22 now that I said that!)
    Alot of rookies in the FWD line, but who knows it could work.
    Draper at r3 is interesting. Is he DPP? Every chance he gets a game this year for Bombers (would have in 2019 if not injured) but not sure if that’s a good thing or not for your r3
    Tend to agree with Doedee. He would have to average 80 odd, like his 1st year to be worthwhile, and I find that a big ask in his 2nd (playing) year and 1st year coming off an acl.

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  4. DEFs

    Z. Williams C. Daniel S.Docherty (W.Gould)
    S. Hill T.Rivers T.Bianco (L.Butler)

    MIDs

    J.Macrae L.Neale P.Dangerfield (J.Mead)
    M.Bont C.Oliver M.Rowell (D.Robertson)
    M. Pickett R.Collier-Dawkins (M.Hibberd)

    Rucks

    B.Grundy M.Gawn (Comben)

    FWDs

    L.Whitfield M.Walters D.Martin (N.Cumberland)
    N.Cockatoo I.Rankine E.Smith (S.Skinner)

    Bulked up Midfield 5 premiums + Rowell I feel gives me very good scoring capabilities.

    The biggest question I have is Walters. I really would prefer Heeney but with Buddy in doubt it has scared me off him just with the potential FWD time he may get early in the year. I don’t fell I can trust the rest of the top 10 scoring FWDS from last year as they all have question marks or KPP.

    Other than Rowell I think I will try to avoid all those players between 150k-400k. It might stagnate my potential to upgrade early but the way I look at this side I have 13 premium players with only a question marks around Walters (who I still think at worst would be a top 10 FWD) and Doch just on the injury front.

    Yes this team is under the cap as I have 1.3k ITB spending every penny

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    1. I like BB. I’m going a similar way.
      5 inside bulls in the mids is Gold.
      Few areas I’m different, I’ve left out Doch and Waters for Lloyd and Smith. Wanna see Doch in the ore season.
      I went Lloyd cos he’s looking like a POD this year. Many staying away.

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      1. 100% agree with that and Lloyd has a higher ceiling than Walters. Devin scares me I had him the first year of the bombers and was a very good pick to start the season but the limited Mid time last year I feel won’t change. I agree that Doch needs a couple of decent preseason games for selections.

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    2. Pure GnR, it’s a proven strategy. Whether you can make it work probably depends on the rookies getting named. Looks like the choice to be made is midpricers for the back and forward lines (ie. Doedee/Roberton + Steven/Smith) vs. an extra forward premo and a rookie.

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  5. Thoughts on my team?

    DEF: Lloyd, Williams, Docherty, Hill, Macreadie, Stoddart, McLennan, Kennerley

    MID: Macrae, Cripps, Dunkley, Danger, Treloar, Rowell, Pickett, McInerney, Philp, Robertson, Hibberd

    RUC: Grundy, Gawn, Conroy

    FWD: Whitfield, Martin, Smith, Davis, McAdam, Rankine, King, Williams

    Majority of rookies are simply placeholders. Hard to know who out of the premiums is considered unique but can’t see many starting Dunkley and Treloar from the teams I’ve seen.

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  6. Looking more and more like the “standard” will be:

    2x premos + Docherty + cheap midpricer + rookies
    5x premos + Rowell + rookies
    Grundy + Gawn + loophole rookie
    2x premos + midpricer + rookies

    Makes these early RMT posts a bit repetitive.

    Pick 2 of Lloyd, Williams, Daniel, Stewart, Laird
    Pick 5 of Macrae, Neale, Fyfe, Kelly, Dunkley, Cripps, Danger, Mitchell, Bont, Treloar, Oliver
    Pick 2 of Whitfield, Martin, Walters
    Pick 1 of Doedee, Roberton
    Pick 1 of Smith, Steven

    All pretty solid premo picks, mid pricers are what they are.

    If you’re following this structure folks – you’re in the same ballpark as everyone else. If you’ve got something significantly different…will hopefully make for some interesting discussion.

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      1. Maybe we should have a thread set up for whacky team comps, see what kind of crazy jank people can come up with 😛

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    1. I think things will change from the standard (so far) as we get closer to the season starting and with more info from pre-season etc. Names will pop up on the radar, others will drop off, rookies will change, potential injuries, potential new roles that we don’t know of yet.

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      1. Yeah, for sure, just makes these early threads a bit tame. TOF bucked the trend and I feel like it created some good discussion at this early stage.

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      1. It’ll be reliant on cheaper players impressing in the JLT, or popular players getting injured, I suppose. Or an unexpected change in rookie stocks.

        Say Gawn tweaked a hammy – all of a sudden there’s about 6 different ruck options that become “viable”. Or if Aaron Hall or Dan Hannebery posted some monster JLT scores – now there’s a midpricer or two in the middle that might be a viable M5 starter. Or if none of the defensive rookies get named for round 1, but there’s a heap in the mids – now a 3- or 3-premo midfield and a deeper back line become relevant.

        At the moment though, there don’t appear to be many variations from the 4 midpricers (Doedee, Roberton, Smith, Steven), and coaches won’t generally be wanting to start more than 2 of them, so the structure is somewhat limited. And with limited mid-price options, comes a penchant for uberpremos.

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    2. In general Blueballs that type of structure on any year will give you a solid team

      Each year though there are different areas of strength between DEF & FWD. This year FWD lacks the same amount of premo options to DEF. Another thing to consider is apart from the odd year standout, MID rookies score better.

      This throws up the structure consideration of MID 4 premos 4 rookies and in my case DEF has 4 premos and DEF 2 perms 2 mid price.

      To me, M5 R2 and D4 are the keys on the year start team

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      1. Yeah, good point. I feel like previous years have presented quite a few “new club” players who made things a bit more diverse. This time round, there don’t seem to be many re-homed players people are wanting to gamble on.

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    3. BlueBalls, very good remarks. Hi everyone, I am back early this year.
      I think the real differential will be in the Ruck and Forward structure.
      G+G are really expensive at the moment and no nailed on forward is clearing up.
      I am yet to finalise my team but I am going for:

      Grundy + Another Ruck (To be confirmed, could be ROB or even cheaper, provided they can make me more than $150k for an upgrade later)

      Thinking 3 Premos +1 Mid pricer + 2 Rookies forwards

      The 3 premos will be the ones that reassure me the most preseason and I believe could be keepers. For that reason I want to monitor more preseason games/form.

      Having said that I could rejoin the crowd if nothing clear appears which should be confirmed b4 JLT starts. Thanks guys for your inputs. Keep them coming

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      1. Definitely think it will be a huge POD not starting both Grundy and Gawn, will take a brave coach to risk being 50pts behind in the ruck department every week, especially given that using the savings in the forward line presents some risks with the inconsistent options presented so far.

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        1. There’s also the point that if you present a different structured team people advise you to change it to a more safer one. Same with pod players.

          Witch is what this thread is for(good solid advice). When I post a different team here, I know it’s not cookie cutter, and certain players are risky etc. But I hope to see any glaring things I’ve missed ie, recently injured player, or posititional change etc.
          I’m prepared to have people tell me the team sucks, so long as they also tell me that my pod is now playing fwd, not mid .

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  7. Def: Z Williams, Daniel, Docherty,
    S Hill, Starcevich, Williamson,
    Rivers, Gould.

    Mids: Macrae, Fyfe, Cripps,
    Dangerfield, Oliver, Rowell,
    McHenry, M Pickett, Bytel, Bianco,
    Hibberd.

    Rucks: Grundy, Gawn, Comben.

    Forwards: Whitfield, Martin,
    J Steven, J Townsend, Cockatoo,
    Rankine, M king, J Worrell.

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  8. Def: DBJ Dawson Docherty Blakley River Gould

    Mid: Macrae Neale Oliver Taranto Hannebery Mc Henry Pickett Mead

    Ruck: Grundy Gawn

    Fwd: Whitfield Martin Greenwood Smith Hill Cockatoo

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  9. One of many draft teams ahead. Thoughts?

    Williams, Docherty, Clark, Doedee, Young, Starcevich (Worell, Gould)

    Cripps, Dunkley, Danger, Oliver, Houston, Rowell, Pickett, Hibberd (McHenry, Robertson, Mead)

    Grundy, Gawn (Conroy)

    Whitfield, Martin, Dawson, Smith, Flanders, Rankine (Smith, Riccardi)

    Many swinging options…

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  10. Am Curious is there any one out there looking at midfielders between the price of say 500-600k? maybe Taranto, McCluggage Worpel, Tim Kelly, Gaff or coniglio?
    Personally I’m leaning towards Gaff for his consistency & high ceiling and hoping kelly cops some attention letting gaff off…

    Everyone seems too be starting 5 $600k+ mids or 4 + Oliver ($594k) and thats fine Those options above 600k all may finish top 6-8 mids but sometimes it doesn’t hurt too start some value and wait for those expensive options too drop and grab them cheaper. Would love to hear others thoughts on players they’re watching closely 🙂

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    1. Scroll up a few posts. Taranto is in all of my draft teams. Seb Ross is another I like for this year. Taylor Adams if fit, also has value.

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    2. The question is – how many of those sub-600k players are you prepared to start, and what do you do with the savings?

      Say you include two of them in place of players around the $630k mark. You’re up $150k or so. What does that $150k get you that makes up for the “weaker” midfield?

      It’s possible there will be benefits to be had, but at this point in time I’m not seeing the “line”.

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    3. Gaff and Coniglio certainly and both a little under price.

      Merrett might make his way back to 110+although Essendon have a lot of injuries for the pre-season and may start the year behind fitness and two or three players from their best team. Matt Crouch is another i am looking at but Ade will be behind Essendon this year and how does that effect Matt and the mid fielders.

      and of course Martin is not carrying the constant injuries of last yr.

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  11. As the great Baldrick(?) would say, “I have a plan”.

    What about this…..YEO and NIC NAIT!!!!

    Here’s why, If Nic Nait can maintain his form on limited time for the first few weeks, his price will increase won’t it.
    ….and if Gawnie starts slow his price will drop, and well with the 171k itb still after Hannebery to Yeo, which gives me 6 premium mids by the way, I can trade Gawnie back.

    ….now why Yeo, well look at his pending role with the new cattle,…..the protecting bull……the enforcer……well I think you get my drift, and the way he finished last year should have have you thinking too.

    So what do you reckon? Have I blown my POD?

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    1. You’ll need NicNat to play the first 8 games, and well, and decent minutes.
      You’ll also need Max to have poor games from Rd6 onwards for it to affect his price when it matters.
      You’re asking for a LOT to go right. While much could go wrong. If only one thing goes wrong (eg he’s rested) you’re fcuked.
      I’ve run the numbers through magic number changes and BEs for NicNat, ROB, Sauce and English.
      For the play to work, you would need any one of them to make improvements beyond ANYTHING we’ve seen before in the history of SC for it to work (from data I’ve looked at anyway).
      The closest are Sauce, who’d need to average 103+, or English having a breakout like Brodie did in ‘18. This includes the extra money being saved to bring in an extra premo and the onfield pts that affords you. It’s simply not enough and I also haven’t taken into account monster captaincy scores that Gawn will inevitably deliver.
      Of course if Gawn gets injured (or Grundy for that matter), then you may win. But for those who do start both, it will only cost one trade and they will have the ability and knowledge to pick the next best option AND save some cash for other upgrades. No risk.
      I strongly urge against NOT going GG in 2020.

      Yeo could be a nice POD though.

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    1. Don’t know yet. Won’t look too closely for a few more weeks. There are a few other STK fans on here who may have a better idea. Believe he’s travelling ok at this stage tho.

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  12. I posted a three premo midfield team before, this is my four premo midfield team
    which i currently prefer.

    Laird, Steward, Houston
    Doch, Starcervich, Williamson

    Macrae, Neale, Dunkley, Oliver
    Rowell, Picket, Mead, McHenry

    Grundy, Gawn

    Martin, Heeny, Parish
    Brayshaw, Hill, D. Cameron

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      1. Across their careers Dustin misses a lot less games. With my Keepers I look for having played 20+ games regularly.

        So I’m avoiding Whitfield as a starter and will look to upgrade to him. I believe GWS have a fairly tough start to the season.

        It’s a ‘negative POD’ in that I’m not taking a popular player. A few people aren’t taking Doch for that reason

        If Whitfield goes nuts to start (Which he did last year) that will make it tough for me.

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        1. Yes, at some point Whitfield gets injured during the season, and you cannot have a premium on the bench missing 1 to 2weeks. On the other hand you will feel sick when he post 120+ game early in the season.

          Start safe or Burn a possible 2 trades.?

          For me I think……..maybe, but not yet sure I will burn those trades for points.

          I will post one of my potential teams and if you could provide your thoughts on structure, it would be appreciated.

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  13. Def; Lloyd liard Sicily Hill Rivers Gould.

    Mids; Macrae Neale Dunkley danger Oliver Taranto Pickett Mc Henry.

    Ruck; Gawn & Grundy

    Fwd; Whitfield Smith Townsend Frampton cockatoo. Rankine.

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    1. How much cash do you have left with that team?

      My only concern is if Smith or Townsend get hurt can you down trade to a forward rookie… I guess at that point you could/would swing Hill forward so you can downtrade to a defensive rookie too?

      I like Taranto as a pick mainly because he is robust, scores with tackles and doesn’t get tagged.

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      1. Cash left 28k.
        Injury always a risk, but it hasn’t stopped Doch selection in most teams it’s a chance you take. All reports suggest Smith running freely, and with the injuries at the Bombers I am confident Smith starts on midfield rotation.

        Just looking at different set ups at this time as most teams look the same. If Dock suits up for round one I will start him over Laird.

        Brayshaw on Greenwood on watch for the FWD line, looking over the TOG stats from last year, suggest there is scope for improved scoring.?

        Just looking over players prices, 6 through the mid is a good option this year. Still have potential 13 keepers just a different structure.

        Last year I went 5 in DEF line for round 1 and it worked out ok.

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        1. My point isn’t the injury risk of those two players specifically, it’s more about your structure in a subtle way.

          If something happens to any of your premo picks you can downtrade to so many other good options.

          Smith is the cheapest of the forward mid-pricers, hence down trading becomes harder. You’ve actually selected alot of potentinal downtrade options in Townsend and your forward rookies, which makes downtrading harder because you already have the good ones.

          Hence why i asked how much cash you had left and my comment about Hill. Hill increases the pool of downtrade options you have in case of injury.

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          1. Thanks Gra Pol.
            I also have Worrell as D7. He can also swing forward.
            Dawson could be added as another option, but I’m not to keen on him.

            If I had enough cash in the bank to cover upgrade for Smith Townsend in case of injury . Would this work.?

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            1. Your swing players will get your more access to a bigger pool of rookies, the backline rookies in your case, so that should cover it.

              Abit of extra cash helps keep your side flexible, but is really only necessary if you don’t do pure guns and rookies (i.e no mid-prices at all)

              It’s a season long struggle/issue, keeping the pool of replacements as large as possible vrs trades left vrs how much cash in hand.

              Allsaints kinda touches on it above in the ruck discussion, and it’s where it’s most obvious due to the limited number of options, by having the two most expensive rucks, you can trade down to anyone after an injury. The further down the price ladder you go, the smaller your pool of replacements are.

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      2. Def Laird Sicily Doch Blakely Hill Rivers

        Mid Macrae Neale Dunkley Taranto Hanners Rowell Pickett Mc Henry

        Ruck Gawn Grundy

        Fwd; Whitfield Smith Townsend Frampton Cockatoo Rankine.

        Over 480k left in The bank.

        Has any coach started a team with lots of cash. How did it work out.?

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        1. It’s a really bad idea. $480k in the bank amounts to c.96pts lost onfield each week until it’s spent. I’m writing a piece on this at the mo’ which should help you make more sense of why that is. Should be completed over the weekend. There is certainly an optimal time and place to build cash. But before Rd1 is DEFINITELY not it.

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          1. Yeah, that amount on the bench does nothing for you. Better off, even if the player needs to be traded out quickly due to non performance. Having some points and hopefully great points than no points

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          1. Hi Freo

            Bench Players not listed as they are rookies and subject to change.
            Bench Def: Worrell loophole
            Bench Mid. Hibbard Mead Rantell
            Ruck : Cameron
            Fwd; King Maloney

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              1. Yes. Being a Pies supporter it’s difficult to say this . But Cox has had 1 good game in 2 years. He is slow on the lead, slow to change direction, Soooooo predictable and hopeless with the loose ball. In all honesty I am at a loss as to why he keeps getting a game. Cameron is more mobile and will provide more options to FWD structure. A stand out performer at NEAFL level in 2018 injury effected in 2019 and is a good addition to the Pies.

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        2. With 480k you could turn Frampton to Dusty and Blakey to a premium defender. I know what I’d be picking. Rest of the team is pretty good to be fair

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          1. Hi Phil,

            Not keen on Dusty through the early rounds, as he will only do as much as required to get his team the 4 points. The crows have don’t have many options in the ruck department so I think Frampton gets a roll as tall forward and 2nd ruck.

            Blakley had bad injury 2018 and with no preseason last year was down on fitness, will benefit from full preseason and expect him to push 90+ this year.

            As Allsaints mentioned 96/points each week is a lot to give away. I Will read what he has to say in his report and then do the maths.

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  14. Gidday SCTsters,

    IMO, from my old playing days, no matter how “fit” a returning player really is, they were never given the same contesting duties straight away.

    They had to prove it – more than once.

    Hence, you may find some roll changes to “protect” the stars of the game.

    Instead of getting the ball, you received it.

    How many of are returning team celebrities that have had “ops” will be starting at full strength in the midfield?

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  15. I have two teams give a TU or TD please on which you prefer.

    TU–

    DEF – Williams Sicily Docherty Roberton Starcevich Gould

    MID – Fyfe Cripps Dunkley Dangerfield Oliver Rowell Pickett Hibberd

    RUCK – Grundy Gawn

    FWD – Whitfield Dusty Steven Hill Cockatoo Rankine

    TD–

    DEF- Williams Houston Docherty Young Starcevich Gould

    MID – Neale Fyfe Kelly Cripps Dangerfield Roweell Pickett Hibberd

    RUCK – Grundy NicNat/ROB

    FWD- Whitfield Martin Greenwood Steven Hill Cockatoo

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    1. I’ve listened to AS, BB, Vicwood, etc, etc, etc…….so I’m now convinced GG is the way to start R1 & R2, for r1 & r2.

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      1. Yep, worst case trade them to anyone. Probably won’t be a ROB this year to really capitalise on.

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  16. Dear Greenwood supporters,

    Apart from his reverence, the holy one, Mr. Gary Ablett Jnr, how many players get traded to lower performing clubs and still maintain their reasonably good averages scored at higher performing clubs?

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    1. Good point, C.

      Case in point: Anthony Miles last year.

      He was always a consistent 90+ scorer at Richmond when he could get a game and we all (myself included) thought he’d replicate those scores at the Suns.

      Truth is guys like Greenwood and Miles are there to build some structure and culture and lend some experience rather than for playing ability. Granted all players at AFL level are elite athletes, but there was a reason Richmond and Adelaide didn’t bet the kitchen sink to keep em’.

      Now, it’d be great if Greenwood has had a killer off-season and does show that he’s an integral part of the Suns midfield capable of good scores in the pre-season, but we’ve got to remember which club he plays at.

      There’s a reason most of us are starting 3 GWS playing and not 3 Suns.

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      1. Can’t see him getting more than a receivers role, either in the midfield at bounces, or a roaming role in the forward half.

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      2. I feel that GEE will slide a little this year. Let’s face it, if they don’t finish top of the H&A ladder they will!!
        That said, they will no doubt throw the kitchen sink at it this year, as their Premiership window narrows. Could be a decent starting pick, but reckon Steven will save you heaps of cash, will score close to his output, making you money and points, while giving you time to see who’s emerging as a top6 FWD. Decent stepping stone?

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        1. Geelong may have the environment, help and structure to ease much of Jack Steven’s mental health. Thats where the key to his season is.

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      3. Gaz will play the same role as last season. Can’t see any reason as to why it would change. Too expensive to select in supercoach, especially if he is managed more throughout the season. Find the extra 20k and select Dusty if you are looking at Gaz.

        Also as said above, Steven a much better pick. Looking at the pictures from Geelong Steven looks in great shape and the change in environment will hopefully do the world of good for his mental health. I see him going straight into the midfield.

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    2. Greenwood is simply an 85-90 average guy and I can’t see him pushing higher than that. Greenwood surely plays a half-forward role with bursts into the midfield like he did at the crows. Gold Coast have so many midfield options (whilst none being elite tier) such as Fiorini, Miles, Swallow, Brodie, Miller, Ainsworth and now they add Rowell and Anderson (and stints from Rankine) to rotate through the midfield too.

      I just can’t see a world where Greenwood plays full midfield time and is a worthy selection.

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        1. You guys sure have some lofty expectations. Greenwood will barely average 90, let alone 105. If he gets anywhere NEAR a 105 average, I’ll eat my shoe. He’s getting on in years, Gold Coast will just use him as a mentoring/experienced role to develop the bunch of young star midfielders they have.

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          1. I have to agree bAps.

            I know for a fact no Suns players averaged over 100 last year.

            From memory only one Suns player from 2019 averaged over 90. I cant’t think of any others?
            Witts 99.7
            Weller and David Swallow averaged 88.6 and 88.2

            The Suns are going to need to improve a whole heap for Greenwood to even get close to a 90+ average.

            I’m steering well clear.

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  17. welcome thoughts:

    Lloyd; Crisp; Doherty; Roberton; Hill; Gould; Bianco;Butler

    Neale; Fyfe; Dunkley; Danger; Steven; Rowell; Pickett; Hibberd; Robertson; Sharp; Rivers

    Grundy; Gawn; Comben

    Whitfield; Martin; A. Brayshaw; Smith; Bonar; Rankine; Taheny; Williams

    $12,300 remaining salary

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    1. Hey, Fugawi. Not bad, a few issues. I’ll take em’ line by line for you:

      DEF: Rate all your selections except Crisp. Cut him. His average decreased by 6.9 points between 2018-19 and he has too low a ceiling; put out scores of 56, 71, 73, 66, 67, 62 and 50 last year.

      MID: Again, only one problem and it’s more a matter of position than the selection itself. If you’re going to start Steven it shouldn’t be in your midfield. You’ve got to be running 5 MID premos, no way around it. Move him to your FWD line if you’re set on him.

      RUC: Tick!

      FWD: Move Stevens back there. Not sure Brayshaw is ripe just yet. He’s went from a 60.5 average in 2018 to 70.5 last year, which is good, but for him to serviceable at F3 you’re going to need him to average 85~. Can he increase his output by 15 right off the bat with a new coach? Maybe. Ideally you’d want him at F4, but 382k is such an awkward price. Bonar is tricky as well. Hefty price tag for a rookie, unclear position, injury/bum scoring history.

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  18. Afternoon, fellas. Given it another crack:

    DEF: Lloyd, DBJ, Doedee, Roberton, Young & Williamson [Bianco, Gould]

    Obviously the Doedee and Roberton selections are contingent on fitness and I’ve grabbed some top shelf DEF rookies to make up for only starting 2 premos down back. Lloyd seems to be emerging as a POD and I liked DBJ’s finish to the season.

    MID: Macrae, Neale, Cripps, Dunkley, T. Kelly, Rowell, Starcevich & Pickett [Robertson, Maginness, Rivers]

    Had previously run a 6 premo MID structure but FT made a point about spreading my premos out to avoid starting too many FWD rookies. So I’ve settled on 4 of last year’s proven performers as well as T. Kelly, who my bias has convinced me can take it to the next level in 2020. Have considered swapping Dunkley for Fyfe for bye structure, but his ceiling is enormous and I can only see him improving.

    RUC: Grundy & Gawn [Comben]

    Can’t go wrong with GG. I’ve been hostile to anything otherwise lol.

    FWD: Whitfield, Walters, Dawson, S. Hill, Cameron & Cavarra [Smith, Rankine]

    Have the choice of any 3 premos up FWD, Whitfield and Walters are obvious top 6 FWDs and Dawson seems to be the flavor of the month, although I might consider swapping him for Greene. Will wait on see on guys like Smith and Steven as well.

    Thoughts?

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  19. Yes, at some point Whitfield gets injured during the season, and you cannot have a premium on the bench missing 1 to 2weeks. On the other hand you will feel sick when he post 120+ game early in the season.

    Start safe or Burn a possible 2 trades.?

    For me I think……..maybe, but not yet sure I will burn those trades for points.

    I will post one of my potential teams and if you could provide your thoughts on structure, it would be appreciated.

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    1. You absolutely can have a premo on the bench for 1-2 weeks. 1-2 weeks is nothing, it only becomes a trade issue when the player is out for 3-4+.

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  20. Def Laird Sicily Doch Hill Rivers Gould (worrell loophole)

    Mids Macrae Neale Dunkley Danger Oliver Hanners Rowell Pickett ( Mahoney mc Henry Mead )

    Ruck; G&G (Cameron)

    Fwd Greenhill Brayshaw Smith Townsend Frampton Cockatoo. ( King Rankine)

    No premiums starting FWD line ,have Greenwood and Brayshaw starting because if they can both increase TOG we should see slight increase in scoring.

    Cash 104k in bank.

    Have Hanners over Whitfield. If Hanners fit RD 1 should have similar Avg . Will wait for Hanners price to increase and whitfields to drop Sell Hanners bring In Rookie to midfield and upgrade one worst performing forward FWD to Whitfield around round 7?

    Then start to sell off fattened rookies for cash generation leading into the bye rounds.

    Tell me the flaws for this strategy.

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    1. Hold up. Hanneberry “should have a similar avg” as Whitfield? No chance, Vic.

      Think you’ve got to start Whitfield imo.

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      1. I’m all over the shop with Whitfield, he is in then out. I owned him last year and traded him out when he got hurt.

        Part of me thinks I want to enjoy the supercoach season and hence not take any GWS players because of their medical staff and injury history.

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          1. Pretty sure the players have to be cleared by the medical staff in order to play. Whitfield isn’t just going to wake up on a Saturday morning after having 2 weeks off with a knee injury, think “yeah nah she’ll be right” and sign himself up to start that afternoon without consulting the medicos.

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      2. On Hanners V Whitfield, Hanners hasn’t been fit for 2 years and Whitfield had his best points return last year and backing that up is difficult. I’m thinking Whitfield will drop in price and Hanners will increase in price and I may get similar points return and make a little cash on the side for the bye rounds.

        I having a nightmare trying to get a decent structure in the FWD line, most of he top 10 players from last year have downsides. The only player at this time I’m confident in is Smith and possibly Greenwood.

        If…..IF Hanners plays preseason with no hint of soreness and suits up for round one hard to ignore a proven 100+ player at his price. Isn’t It.?

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        1. Vicwood.

          Starting Hanners is fraught with danger.
          He really can’t be expected to go back to a 105+ average. he might. but I can’t see it. This means he will need to be upgraded at some stage.
          We have worked out that a trade cost aprox $130K/$140K
          ( depending in what time of year)

          Hanners will need to start really well 100+ to get to $540K and make that 130K if not… you will be using some of your precious cash cow money to turn him into a Midfield Keeper.Not Ideal..

          Even if all this does manage to go right for you Hanners starts well etc.. Hanners is taking the spot of a midfield Cow.
          Now midfield cows usually not only average more than forward cows, but often make money quicker and trust me this is not a trivial thing..

          We really need to wait and see where the Rookie cards fall but at this stage of the season I wouldn’t be looking at any Midpricers particularly at M6.

          I hope that makes some sense.

          Best of luck in 2020.

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    2. That was the same strategy as my not having Gawn.

      Read back a few chats, I’m sure you will reconsider.

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  21. Defenders:
    Salem – Weller – Docherty – Hunter Clark – Hill – (Gould, Ash, Young)
    Mids:
    Fyfe – Cripps – Bontempelli – Hopper – Walsh – (Pickett, Robertson, Sharp, Rowell, Stephens, Serong)
    Rucks:
    Grundy – Gawn – (Conroy)
    Forwards:
    Whitfield – Gresham – Wingard – (Georgiades, Rankine, Worrell, Flanders, Bergman)

    Cash $12600

    Not yet sold on Salem, Weller Hopper and Wingard.

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  22. DEF:
    Williams, Sicily, Docherty, Roberton, Williamson, McLennan (Cottrell, Gould)

    MID:
    Macrae, Neale, Cripps, Dunkley, Oliver, Valente, Shipley, Pickett (McHenry, Bytel, Hibberd)

    RUC:
    GG.com

    FWD:
    Whitfield, Dusty, Steven, Hill, Cockatoo, Rankine (D. Cameron, King)

    $67k remaining.

    D2 is either Sicily (upside) or Daniel (consistency).
    I really want to fit Danger into the midfield, but will come at the expense of either Cripps or Dunkley.
    I’m omitting Rowell at this point in time, as he’s so expensive. Aside from Walsh last year, when has a $200k rookie lived up to the 80ish average needed for the price tag?

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    1. Stephen Hill is injury prone, about the same price as Rowell, and will score less. Only plus is putting him in your forward line.

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  23. Like your team, very similar to my. Rethinking Greenwood after your previous commets. With Hawthorn bringing in Frost, Patton & Hartley all KPP hopefully frees up Sicily to play the SC friendly intercept/rebound def role.
    Do you have any concerns starting Doc, Roberton & Willamson with their injury history ?

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  24. Great forum. I started following last year with heaps of good info shared – thank you. However, the more comments I read the more I went away from the players who I had justified selection to players that everyone else was telling me were better or less risky – I suffered “group think bias” and lived with SC regret. In the end I had a very similar team to a lot of other people and whilst it scored well it did not stand out and finished in the top 4,000. For this reason I taking some more chances this year and if I bomb so be it – no risk no reward.

    Def: Lloyd Stewart Sicily Doedee Hill Rivers (Worrell Gould) – Hill & Doedee subject to change pending preseason output. Sicily will go well playing a full season down back.

    Mid: Cripps Dangerfield T.Kelly Taranto McCluggage Rowell Cockatoo Pickett (McHenry Mead Hibbered) backing McCluggage & Taranto to breakout and T.Kelly will improve again IMO. Jerker a complete flog IMO will result in more midfield time for Danger.

    Ruck: Grundy NicNat (Cameron) I had GG last so understand risk of not going again but each of the other lines in team look so much better with no Gawn.

    Fwd: Whitfield, Walters, Steven, Smith, Jones, Rankine (Frampton, King) most risky line with both Smith & Steven coming off poor years. Backing Jones and Adelaide in general to provide some SC winners.

    thanks.

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    1. I think your most risky line is the Rucks.

      Really Like the M4 M 5 picks.

      Maybe think about shifting cockatoo forward to free up some cash to upgrade Nic Nat.

      Good Luck

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      1. Thank you for the feedback. If I was to do as you have suggested move Cockatoo into Fwd line in substitution of Stevens/Smith it becomes a TU TD situation:

        TU – Nic Nat & Stevens/Smith
        TD – Gawn & 123k rookie

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    2. v good apart from NicNat. If i wasn’t going GG, I would pick ROB, English (or Sauce) ahead of NicNat. Less risk for likely similar rewards.

      Traditionally, and this year looks no different, the value picks appear to be more prevalent in the DEF and FWD lines. These lines also offer the least risk.

      Given that RUCs have combined to ave 129+ for the last two years, why would you be willing to take the risk there?!

      Good luck whatever you decide.

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  25. Went a bit different this year. Thought id go a bit against the pack. Early team, will probably look very different closer to Round 1. What do you guys reckon?

    Defenders- Williams, Sicily, Docherty, Young, Starcevich, Rivers (Bianco, Gould)

    Mids- Fyfe, Cripps, Treloar, Oliver, Coniglio, Rowell, McHenry, Pickett (Budarik, Mead, Hibberd)

    Rucks- Gawn Grundy (Cameron)

    Fwds- Whitfield, Martin, Walters, Bonar, Hill, Rankine (Worrell, Comben)

    Bank- $9.3k

    I went the lower uber premium approach this time around and instead took 3 premos in the fwd line. With the amount of times ive been burnt by Devon Smith, I just cant trust him yet.
    Currently tossing up between Heeney, Walters and Greenwood (for the extra money to upgrade mid premos) for F3.

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