2013 Byes



SuperFooty Live HQ

by Motts on March 19, 2012

OK first of all a disclaimer: the Herald Sun invited us to their offices to view this as a special preview for its grand unveiling tomorrow. While we were there I drank their beer and I had 2 cold rolls. I didn’t see Big Sexy eat or drink anything – he’s good like that.

We got invited to the HWT building last week to get a preview of the new SuperFooty Live HQ website. Here’s the invite:

“G’day Motts,

I’m writing to you on behalf of the Herald & Weekly Times/Herald Sun.

You may have seen/heard this week the Herald Sun unveiled its expanded multi-platform offering.

A key part of the Herald Sun’s premium online content is SuperFooty Live HQ, a second-screen experience for AFL matches. It will include a fully interactive match centre with scores, stats, fixtures, live chats, live SuperCoach points, news, video and social media interaction.

Live HQ launches this Tuesday, March 20 in preparation for 2012 season kick-off.

We’d like to invite you (and Duck and Big Sexy) to the Herald Sun for a special sneak preview of the site in action before it goes live.

Given your passion for and involvement in footy, I thought this might be something you’d be interested in?

Details are as follows:

DATE:  Monday, March 19

TIME:  6 pm for 6.15 pm

ADDRESS:   HWT Tower, 40 City Rd, Southbank 3006 (meet downstairs at Security in the first instance).

Joining us from the Herald Sun will be: Nathaniel Bane (Digital Editor), Peter Clark (Digital Director), Finn Bradshaw (Deputy Network Sports Editor at News Ltd). We’re also hoping for one of the Herald Sun sports journos to pop in for a chat as well (deadlines permitting!).

If you can come on Monday night – that would be awesome! Please drop me a return email or call on xxxx xxx xxx.

Also, do you mind letting me know the names of those attending?  Something tells me I don’t think the Herald Sun Security guy will let ‘Big Sexy’ in without a real name to go with it.”

So BS and I turn up tonight and in the room, amongst others is Walesy, mOnty, and Frankie Leach. On the HS side, Robbo drops thru, Jay Clark says g’day and I have a good old chat to Al Paton. There’s probably about 20 people there and I’ve never felt so comfortable in a room full of strangers.

I snapped off some shots but they’re not that great so I’ll just tell you about what went down. Finn Bradshaw did most of the presenting and for the attentionally challenged amongst us, I’m gonna dot point:

  • the functionality of the new site did look good. What really impressed me was the graphics that show the linkages to get to goal. You hover over a dot on the screen (ie a player) and it shows you what he did (eg play-on handball, effective handball, 2 points) and if that player is in your SC team, his dot on the screen has a green circle around it to indicate that.
  • you’ll get live updates of how your team is doing against whoever you’re playing, in whatever league.
  • there’ll be live chat.
  • there’s a match score predictor for the footy tippers amongst us
  • it won’t encroach upon anything SuperCoach Gold is doing at the moment – ie you won’t get player score predictions – the relationship between the HS and Virtual Sports is too tight
  • there’s social media integration – facebook and twitter
  • it won’t be offered free of charge through the other News Ltd masthead newspapers
  • there’ll be no end-of-quarter scores provided anymore – it’ll be end-of-game only. I spoke to mOnty and he’s hopeful of getting something but I wasn’t convinced. I do hope he does.

There was a lot of other stuff but I’d had 3 beers and to be honest was kinda distracted by Saint Frankly’s footwear – anyone ever seen those shoes before that kinda mold around your toes? – so I didn’t pick it all up.

You want to know if its worth it. Personally, I will probably pay for it. Yes, I know I’ve ranted in the past against the HS for doing this (and believe me I’m still angry about the costs) but what other choice do I have if I want the live experience? It IS better than what is offered via Dream Team. I probably won’t get it every week but right now I’d say the majority of weeks I will.

As a side note, I was alerted to a uni student offer while I was there tonight where you’re offered an annual subscription for something like $20 (correct me if I’m wrong on this one) where the Digital Pass is thrown in with that subscription. If you’re a struggling bohemian, it looks like you’ll get getting this stuff relatively cheaply.

For everyone else its $2.99 a week or $1 a week extra if you sign up for a HS subscription and have the paper delivered.

After the show, BS and I headed on down to PJ’s for a quiet couple of orange whips and a good chat with Walesy. I’ve never met him before but I can tell you he’s a great bloke. BS snapped off a shot of the 2 of us together but I’m struggling to add it to this post so I’m gonna tweet it.

Fair to say that the conversation was DOMINATED by SC and who we like and don’t like for the year. I won’t betray any confidences by revealing the details of that conversation but Jay Clark did tell me tonight that his smoky this year was Ben Jacobs. I know, go figure.

Anyway, they’re probably reading this, so feel free to let the world know how you feel about the paywall and anything else to do with the HS in general.

Cheers, Motts

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Duck March 19, 2012 at 11:17 pm

Great wrap up mate, wish i was there. Did laugh at the orange whips remark, as well as the disclaimer … i know how much you like free shit.

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Big Sexy March 19, 2012 at 11:23 pm

Accurate summary Mottsy, and for the record I had a little shepards pie :). Anyway, I concur the features looked pretty good, and should give punters the heads-up that because of the standardization SC uses it won’t be 100% accurate, and can vary a few % from the true scores as it does today with quarter by quarter. The only thing I pay for right now is the App, but I will certainly be tempted and if I recall correctly get a free trial, so can only make a true judgement after using, so would encourage others to form their own opinion. Should also mention all the folks ( inc HS) were very nice, though Monty seems to live life on the edge, and I couldn’t speak more highly of Walesy…. Great fella!

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PA March 19, 2012 at 11:41 pm

http://t.co/ArxGqo26

There’s mottsy beside Finn :) #tellthemhowyoureallyfeel

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Motts March 20, 2012 at 12:08 am

how do you know its me – #themystiqueremainsalive #almostlikePaulStanley

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PA March 20, 2012 at 12:21 am

Yeah right Jimmy Brayshaw ;)

Plus this shoot gives it away

https://twitter.com/#!/SC_Talk/status/181726580773629953/photo/1

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Motts March 20, 2012 at 12:23 am

I’m just gonna say this once: I am a HELL of a lot better looking than Jim Brayshaw. Fact.

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gimmeguitars March 20, 2012 at 12:39 am

Do you own a teddy bear suit??? HA!

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Figga March 19, 2012 at 11:46 pm

Ben Jacobs hey? Jay Clark knows nothin’ !!! Lol
Thanks for the heads up Motts, guess I’ll have to wait to see if it’s worthwhile.

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Gimmeguitars March 19, 2012 at 11:52 pm

Site soooo much quicker without chat

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Duck March 20, 2012 at 9:39 am

Yes, it was removed last night after we realised the performance impact. Back to the search for a better solution.

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Deano March 20, 2012 at 12:01 am

Does that mean the disclaimer on the site header can be deleted now you’ve sold out? :)

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Motts March 20, 2012 at 12:10 am

hey hey hey, no need for that. Motts is still angry and had words with the social media chick conveying his rage.

Over a cold roll.

And a beer.

That they provided.

#ohgodI’msuchasellout

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The Hairy Cat March 20, 2012 at 12:15 am

Good write up… up until the Ben Jacobs comment.

Anyway, were there any DT Talk guys there? I mean since they write for Supercoach Gold I would have thought they would’ve received an invite.

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Motts March 20, 2012 at 12:21 am

It was made very clear that Virtual Sports and the HS are 2 separate organisations. Its VS that charge for the app (presumably because the HS don’t pay for it like presumably the AFL pay for the DT app). Warnie is employed by VS – which explains why he’s used for SC Gold – they simply don’t care about the SC brand, they’ll just use whoever they like.

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Motts March 20, 2012 at 3:18 pm

Peter Jankulovski, the CEO of Virtual Sports, has responded on Twitter to my last comment. In the interests of presenting a balanced view here’s how the conversation went:

Peter Jankulovski ? @petejank
@SC_Talk last line in that comment is ridiculously wrong, inaccurate, irresponsible and presumptuous…

SuperCoach Talk ? @SC_Talk
@petejank Why did you employ a DTT bloke to provide ‘expert’ opinion in SC Gold then, Peter? A lot of people on our site would love to know.

Peter Jankulovski ? @petejank
@SC_Talk 1. We are as much SC as the HS. To say ‘they simply don’t care about the SC brand’ is like saying you dont care about your youngest

Peter Jankulovski ? @petejank
@SC_Talk 2. The boys have been around, play SC for as long as there was SC. IMO they are as qualified to comment as much as anyone. more so!

Peter Jankulovski ? @petejank
@SC_Talk 3. ‘they’ll just use whoever they like’ Wrong – we dont just do whatever we feel like, HS needs to/has approval on most aspects…

Peter Jankulovski ? @petejank
@SC_Talk …particularly when it comes to publishing content on what is effectively a HS property…

SuperCoach Talk ? @SC_Talk
@petejank Then whoever is in charge of SC branding at the HS needs a lesson in brand values and brand dilution.

Peter Jankulovski ? @petejank
@SC_Talk SC Gold articles have nothing to do with DT, DT Talk, etc. We use the best people for the job. Others are welcome to disagree.

SuperCoach Talk ? @SC_Talk
@petejank We get that you think Warnie was the best person for the job – we disagree BTW – but he simply shouldn’t have been used.

Peter Jankulovski ? @petejank
@SC_Talk Fine. Your personal issues aside, its not a reason for making silly statements like that last line. Over & out, enjoy the SC season

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Juddy but not THE Juddy March 20, 2012 at 3:40 pm

Bwah ha ha aha ahahah ah aha aha aha aha ah ahha. Oh…..laughed so hard I just wet myself. 2nd last tweet was hella funny.
#tailbetweenyalegspetejank.

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TeamStillNeedsWork March 20, 2012 at 3:47 pm

Is it wrong that I love Motts?

You are a legend mate!

PS – Caaar’n the Blues!

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Juddy but not THE Juddy March 20, 2012 at 4:04 pm

It’s not wrong when it comes to footy TSNW.

Motts reminds me of this guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JsDylEPNh0

Don’t piss him off.

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Gimmeguitars March 20, 2012 at 12:20 am

Deleted thought you meant dr dreamteam

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The Hairy Cat March 20, 2012 at 1:02 am

Superfooty HQ sounds great but for me nothing will ever replace going to the game. You guys can have all your new fangled technological gadgets but I’m happy to take my seat at the game and watch it all unfold with my own eyes, with my iPhone, tweeting away, using the AFL app, and Fango. Yep stuff all this technology #oldskool

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The Big Fella March 20, 2012 at 8:35 am

Couldn’t have said it better THC. Would much rather go to the game, and then read about it the old fashioned way over a paper before taking the little urchins to their junior footy on a Sunday. However, the paper may become The Age. Glad Motts and the boys got a good look at it, seems like the HS tactic of a bit of Hospitality to get some positive words out there worked, although how many people jump on the wagon is questionable. No matter how you spin it, charging people to use these formats is not something that would resonate with this generation, especially with the cost of living skyrocketing. It is not Hospitality. It is a cash grab, and a disgrace.

PS: Don’t think I could read HS. If I read an article on the negatives of Toll Roads or Speed Cameras, with a ‘Cash Grab’ ‘Power to the People’ spin on it after charging $2.99 per week to read an injury list or how Jay Clark rates Ben Jacobs… I might just spew.

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Happy Go Lucky March 20, 2012 at 11:00 am

Well spoken Big Fella, particularly in relation to the ‘P.S’ portion of your comment. Agreed 100% fella.

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Happy Go Lucky March 20, 2012 at 11:01 am

Your a funny bugger THC.

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Fishtopher March 20, 2012 at 1:40 am

Cold roll and a couple of brews will do it every time. At least we get to see how the other half live ;)

Personally I think it’s fantastic that the Hun are actually having a crack at giving us some genuine new content.

We all threw the toys out the pram when we thought they were charging $3 a week for SC content, and with good reason. Now that the dust has settled it seems there might be a bit more to it.

Online papers were never going to be free for long because the print industry is on its last legs and everything will be going digital soon enough. If the Hun got in first at least they are putting some effort in to enhancing the product. I’ll be in from the start and if that $3 gets me more than buying the paper two or three times a week then I’ll be a happy coach.

Yours Sincerely,

Fishtopher J Murdoch ;)

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Happy Go Lucky March 20, 2012 at 10:56 am

Whilst it’s true that the newspaper print industry has been falling since the advent of ‘instant news’ via internet/tv/cable news channels, the death of the industry is an exxageration put about by the media itself. Paywalls have been around for a little while in the States with the New York Times and England with the Times being two examples, yet, most papers around the world are not embracing this idea of a paywall. The reason is that the major income of a paper comes from advertising revenue, and many believe that the paywall interfere’s with the ability of a newspaper to maximise their traffic, and, as it follows, their income. Their is also the advent of the independent news service/blogger. This has bought us back to the days where people could choose between a number of papers. If all the corporate papers started charging, a lot of people will simply choose the free option, irrespective of whether it is on tv, the net or the radio, or, will just not consume any news on-line @ all.
I don’t think the HS are offering anything remarkable. The live scores are good & comparison scores are interesting on the sunday afternoon. As for the rest, I am decidedly underwhelmed.

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Deano March 20, 2012 at 4:08 am

Love the frivolity within the invite:

“Also, do you mind letting me know the names of those attending? Something tells me I don’t think the Herald Sun Security guy will let ‘Big Sexy’ in without a real name to go with it.”

How did the HS know BS’s nickname was an oxymoron??? :)

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Motts March 20, 2012 at 6:55 am

I was so paranoid they just wanted our names so they could sue us again that I still gave them false names. Mr Motts and Mr Bigg.

My paranoia didn’t end there – when we left, they bundled the lot of us into a lift. I thought to myself “here we go, they’re going to cut the cord, send this thing to the bottom of the lift shaft and do away with a big chunk of their competition”.

I really do have to get back on my medication.

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Motts March 20, 2012 at 7:29 am

For the tweeterers amongst us, some of the people who were there last night were:
@SC_Talk / @Motts_Melb
@tooserious_
@m0nty
@trevoryoung
@glenny3972
@alistairjhogg
@finn_bradshaw
@SaintFrankly
@Danny__Bishop
@al_superfooty
@Robbo_heraldsun
@ClarkyHeraldSun

Most of them have had something to say about it so if you’re interested, drop past ‘em and have a look.

The new site should be live by 11am today.

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Motts March 20, 2012 at 8:55 am
Fishtopher March 20, 2012 at 9:01 am

I’ll +1 on that one.

Legend of the game as much for what he did off the field as on.

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gimmeguitars March 20, 2012 at 9:18 am

Just lost my $hit in the car at school drop off… So many tears.
Not cool.

Pissed off too actually, lifes’ not fair. While I’m glad he is no longer in pain I struggle to see how or why something so horrible has to happen to such a great person, you’re a legend Jimmy, RIP.
Be kind to each other today SC’ers..
Xx

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The Hairy Cat March 20, 2012 at 11:24 am

Sometimes it’s really hard to understand why things happen but after the sadness passes and the mist disappears from my eyes I sit back and reflect what a truly amazing life Jim lived. In such a short time he experienced and achieved more than most of us here combined will ever achieve in a lifetime – and that is something to celebrate. When we pass on we might be remembered by a few, but Jim will be remembered by generations from all walks of life, from Ireland to Australia, from Football fans to the kids he helped via his youth organisation Reach, and everyone in-between. It might be little consolation to his family and close friends right now but Jim will forever walk tall amongst us never to be forgotten. Rest in peace James “Jim” Stynes OAM (23 April 1966 – 20 March 2012).

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Omen March 20, 2012 at 9:19 am

R.I.P. Jim Stynes.

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PA March 20, 2012 at 9:47 am

Where’s the HS link?, seriously Vale Jimmy, your name says it all.

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Juddy but not THE Juddy March 20, 2012 at 9:27 am

R.I.P. Big Jim. Thank you for everything that you have done for the Melbourne FC and for football in general. Inspiration and Legend as word just aren’t quite big enough for you.

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BigRuss March 20, 2012 at 11:14 am

A great and inspiring man. Time to call my dad and tell him I love him I think.

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Motts March 20, 2012 at 11:19 am

Very good idea, BR.

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dazz March 20, 2012 at 11:53 am

Just heard the sad news R.I.P. Jim stynes a true legend on and off the field.

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Happy Go Lucky March 20, 2012 at 10:34 am

Nothing in the HS presentation has swayed this little black duck. I’ll follow DT live & read The Age. I’m not surprised that the HS has gathered the main SC peeps from internet land & offered them some sugar, it is a pragmatic business decision.
My fundamental interest is in SC scores. Everything else is gravy. I would love to have them live, or quarter by quarter, but thanks to Rupert Greedoch, I’ll get them after, probably from SCT.
The most interesting thing about Motts’ whole write up was the comment on other Scamdoch owned masthead’s inability/refusal to access the live figures from Moscow. I was on the Telegraph site recently & realised that they have the same interface as the HS, which got me thinking that they might be next to fall behind the Iron Curtain with this controversial premium content scam. The domino theory explains how when 1 News Ltd title falls to communism, it is inevitable that the rest will follow.
$3 x 24 rounds = $72 a year for the average joe. I’m tipping that once you’ve gone live, you’ll do it most, if not every week. If 10,000 pay weekly that’s $720,000. If 100,000 pay, it’s $7,200,000. Excuse my cynicism, but, they are fleecing a lot of coin. It is especially galling because their site & apps have ads & the game itself is sponored by TAC. It isn’t that they are struggling for a dollar, they are ruthlessly shaking down their customers for some extra coin.

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Jason March 20, 2012 at 10:56 am

So I’m not too wrong in my assumption that all it is, is a re-vamped version of the AFL Game Day Live thing the AFL had on its site in previous years.
Except this time around its in a proper webpage with SuperCoach stats instead of DreamTeam?

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Motts March 20, 2012 at 11:19 am

Yep, plus they’ve tweaked it a bit so you can look at your head to head matchups across leagues and the graphs will be a little more detailed.

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PA March 20, 2012 at 11:33 am

Wonder if Fox Footy will be showing live SC scores during the game like they did sometimes last year?

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G1PH March 20, 2012 at 11:02 am

When does the stuff fire up? Today Obviously but any ideas when? I’m fixin to have a look at it

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Motts March 20, 2012 at 11:17 am

Its up now mate. But the real fireworks won’t start until you’ve got a live game going – then you’re going to see it in all its glory.

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PA March 20, 2012 at 12:18 pm

That’s what she said :lol: :lol:

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The Big Fella March 20, 2012 at 12:35 pm

Question Motts, when in the live feed and looking at Head to Head, can you see the Head to Head scores of other games in your league?

Only ask because as I mentioned, highly against this (Only because I am old fashioned, and love taking the dog for a walk on the Sunday to buy the paper) but the idea of maybe signing up for the 5 or so weeks leading up to and including finals could be a good move?

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Motts March 20, 2012 at 1:58 pm

Don’t remember seeing that, TBF. Was that part of the standard package last year or part of SC Gold? If it was offered as part of Standard then my guess is you will see all games. If part of Gold it’s off limits.

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Motts March 20, 2012 at 2:31 pm

m0nty just helped me out with this one on twitter – the answer is no. It falls under SC Gold.

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Bearded Burbler March 20, 2012 at 11:34 am

Thanks Motts-Whaa,

Good write up and insight

Maybe just sign up for the head to head finals, where it will be worth it and the max you’ll have to pay is for the 4 rounds.

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TeamStillNeedsWork March 20, 2012 at 2:51 pm

Terrific write up Mottsy. Thinking i might have to give it a go….

On a side note footytips.com.au SuperCoach Talk going again? I have just logged in and see its still there in my comps :)
95 members at the moment! should be a good one

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Finn Bradshaw March 20, 2012 at 3:04 pm

Hi guys,
Finn from the Herald Sun here – you can’t see all the games in your league live, just you and your opponent.
Cheers,
Finn

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Mouseman March 20, 2012 at 3:09 pm

that feature is an extra $1.50

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Happy Go Lucky March 20, 2012 at 6:32 pm

An extra 1.50 per week, Mouseman..

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Duck March 20, 2012 at 3:10 pm

Cheers for the confirmation Finn.

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TeamStillNeedsWork March 20, 2012 at 3:49 pm

Cheers Finn.

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Big Sexy March 20, 2012 at 6:58 pm

Hey Finn,
Thanks for the invite and it’s great to be included understanding what the plans are with SC and the HS. Whilst we didn’t get to speak personally as I got there just in time for the start, I was the fella sitting to your immediate left. It will be great to see the new system in action and gague punters feedback over coming weeks.

Cheers
BS

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tappy March 20, 2012 at 3:12 pm

would love a poll on goddard verus goodes. reeason being i have 1 spot for my to fill in my mids and its either goodes to swap with my forward/mids or goddard to swap with my def/mids. both ave the same but what to do!!

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Motts March 20, 2012 at 3:21 pm

Guess who’s back? Back again? tappy’s back. Tell your friends….

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tappy March 20, 2012 at 9:51 pm

haha its been a while! had a good pre-season under my belt and am ready to fire! any supercoach league spots hanging about i could join?

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Motts March 20, 2012 at 10:03 pm

Throw yourself into 935373 mate.

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Motts March 20, 2012 at 7:22 pm

Just noticed that Walesy did a write up of last night too:
http://tooserious.net/live-hq-superfooty#more-5398

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tappy March 21, 2012 at 11:19 am

thanks mate. gonna miss mottsy’s maulers giving me a beating this year however

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Motts March 21, 2012 at 1:23 pm

The Maulers will miss it too, tap.

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The Hairy Cat March 21, 2012 at 12:56 pm

Hot off the press:

“non-subscribers will get SuperCoach scores at the end of games, but we won’t be doing the quarter by quarter updates like previous years”

But it’s still free to play!

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Motts March 21, 2012 at 12:59 pm

Um, we covered that above Hairy. Last dot point. Lets just call your info warm-ish off the presses.

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The Hairy Cat March 21, 2012 at 1:29 pm

Oops, shouldn’t have had that shandy at lunch time.

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PA March 21, 2012 at 1:17 pm

Saw your comment THC, btw PA = Greedwall ;)

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The Hairy Cat March 21, 2012 at 1:30 pm

Haha brothes in arms :)

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Fishtopher March 21, 2012 at 5:24 pm

Hun has the NAB scores up and yes, of course they are behind THE WALL.

If, hyperthetically speaking of course, I had a pdf version of said scores is there an easy way to share the wealth?

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Jurn Stern September 22, 2014 at 4:37 pm

I think this is a scam or something. Saw it pop up and links to some crazy website.

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