Rate My Team – JAN #3

Written by Schwarzwalder on January 30 2019

It’s only January and we’re already onto our 3rd RMT thread.

Fantastic to see so many Coaches helping each other out here with their constructive criticism and solutions.

If you want the SCT Coaches to check your line-up, just enter it into the Forum below. Thanks, Coaches!

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  1. Currently looking at

    Lloyd, Lair, Whitfield, Ryan, Collins, Wilkie, (Hore, Wigg)

    Oliver, Kelly, Neale, Crouch, Merrett, Liberatore, Stocker, Bewely, (Smith, Valente, Hind)

    Grundy, Longer, (Fort)

    Dangerfield, Heeney, Wingard, Setterfield, Burgess, Corbett, (McAdam, Cavarra)

    Any thoughts are much appreciated.

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    1. Solid side. Love the selection of Ryan.

      R2 is gonna be the challenge for your team structure, but an option will come available prior to round 1.

      Good luck!

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    2. Looks great, really like your backline.
      Only thing i would do is swap libba for miles and try have at least 1 of cripps or macrae. but thats just me.
      I was also considering longer for my team but just cant bring myself to do it.

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  2. Version 4 My team at the moment .

    Laird, Sicily, Whitfield, Williams,
    Wilkie, Burgess, Hore,Wigg.

    Macrae, Cripps, Kelly, Yeo, Miles
    Stocker, Bewley,Valente, E Smith,
    Sparrow,Hind.

    Grundy, Gawn, Sweet.

    Dangerfield, Heeney, Dunkley,
    Setterfield, Schultz, Cavarra,Parker,
    Wilkinson.

    I have Grundy/Gawn at the
    moment will be watching Jlt games
    closely to see what happens with Gawn and Preuss. If Preuss spends
    to much time in the ruck Goldstein will come in for Gawn. The rd 13 bye
    makes picking a team pretty hard
    there’s plenty of players I would
    like to pick but this team works
    well with the bye planner so I’m
    happy with it so far.

    Feel free to comment!

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    1. A very similar team to myself and one that I have pretty much settled on: My only criticism is that you now rely on to many rookies playing (forward/back). For this setup to work you need to take a chance with either defence – mid – forward, Ive taken that step with defence, this year with the new kick out rules/scoring there are good opportunities to lighten defence with Witherden,Francis,Roberton,Newman,Collins etc. Then you can structure a more balanced team around the Goldy/Gawn which I personally think that they will be heads above in scoring (a little pun there) any other rucks, and in fact scoring wise its like having 2 extra elite mid fielders plus this combo will be a pod, Great work Jezza you are on the right track.

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      1. Thanks for the feedback Deane only going on gut feel with Grundy and Gawn at the moment they were a long way ahead of
        Pack last year. I have been considered taking Sicily out for a cheaper option like Witherden Short and also Roberton. Then I can look Collins, Rozee down back.

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  3. This changes daily as I can’t seem to settle on a definitive strategy, too many question marks……
    Def: Laird, Whitfield Witherdon, Mills, Roberton, Collins (Wigg, Carter)
    Mid: Macrae, Fyfe, Martin, Zerrett, Miles, Bennell, Setterfield Bewley (E.Smith, Hind, West)
    Ruck: Grundy, Gawn (Bines)
    Fwds: Danger, Dunkley, Greene, Rozee, Corbett, Burgess (Ling, Cavarra)

    Question is, should I downgrade Mills and upgrade Bennell?

    Cheers M.

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    1. Id be looking to downgrade one of your defenders to upgrade Greene. Not sure he will get up for round 1 at this stage and is always an injury worry. If he was F4 id consider the risk but think F3 makes the forward line a bit thin. In saying that if he plays the whole season his a top 6-10 forward

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      1. Thanks Zac. I will hold green until the JLT but will be the first upgrade if he is not right for r1. Can
        Merton says he will be right but still may not play. Roberton or Mills will probably go for rookie and maybe a midfield upgrade. Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts.

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    2. I’d probably go Mills to a rookie (maybe Wilkie at this stage?) and then Greene up to whoever you want (Dev Smith, Menegola, Gray would be the 3 I’d choose from).

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      1. Thanks a lot Ralph. I prefer Heeney if I have the cash available. Probably a less risky pick than Mills. See what JZT brings. Not sold on Gray, all depends how much midfield time he gets but I think Power need him up forward more. I’ve had Wilkie in my side all along so that’s probably the right choice. Thanks for your thoughts.

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  4. Have been playing around with ruck set up and this is what I have ended up with so far;
    Back: Lloyd, Simpson, Hurn, Witherden, Williams, Williamson (Wigg, Wilkie)
    Mid: Cripps, Oliver, Fyfe, J.Kelly, Z.Merrett, Bennell, Bewley, (Rook, Rook, Rook)
    RUCK: Naismith, Longer (Fort)
    FWD: Westoff, Smith, Heeney, Lynch (rich), Setterfield, Cavarra (Rook, Rook)

    I am not convinced that there will be the extra output from the rucks with the new rules…maybe less as there will be a more direct approach from the square and less boundary throw ins throughout the game.
    Pre season will tell and then this could be rearranged totally

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    1. You might Want to sWap Lloyd, Simpson and Hurn for Whitfield, Webster and Watson … and call your team the BigW…. just kidding … 🙂

      Starting with 5 potential premos in DEF will likely result in a lack of $ generation. I think the cash cows will be in the DEFs & MIDs this year … better off investing in a premo RUC.
      Whilst the Tiger’s are sprucing Lynch will play R1, with 8 weeks to go he hasn’t joined in full training yet. Whilst he is cheap @ $425k, Riewoldt $504k and Higgins $392k will both outscore him IMO …. Passing on Lynch…

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    2. Downgrade a few defenders and fix that ruck line. Naismith and Longer is just asking for trouble. Naismith won’t be the only ruck at Sydney and will liekly share with Sinclair. Seen a few Sydney fans even question the choice of Naismith.

      assuming your 8th midfielder is a rookie?

      Tom Lynch isn’t looking like lining up round 1 with Richmond being conservative with him early in the season so you might need to find a replacement. Also no Danger !?

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  5. Being playing around with rucks grundy/gawn but I feel grundy/goldie may be the way. My team currently:

    Def: Llyod Laird Whitfield, Collins Quaynor T.Watson(loophole) Scrimshaw Wilkie

    RU: Grundy, Goldstein

    Mid: McRae Cripps Treloar Yeo Martin Walsh Wilson E.Smith Stocker D.Clarke Bewley

    Fwd: Danger Dunkley JJKennedy Setterfield McAddam I.Hill Bosenavulaigi Mosquito

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    1. Treloar is an interesting one. With a 6-6-6 setup, Beams might just setup Treloar on the outside using his explosive pace. Good luck…M

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      1. Hoping that Treloar has an injury free run as well and the same with Kennedy. Feel like my fwds are a bit light on

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  6. First draft of my team for the year, so my structure is bound to change. Currently feel a bit light in the mids but dont know any mid pricer to target or dont know which other field to downgrade to get the funds. Thoughts appreciated

    Def: Laird, Sicily, Whitfield, Williams, Collins, Wilkie (Hore, Wigg)
    Mid: Cripps, Fyfe, Neale, Merret, Miles, Stocker, Constable, Bewley (E.Smith, Valente, Hind)
    Ruck: Grundy, Goldy (Bines)
    Fwd: Danger, Heeney, Gray, Rankine, Setterfield, Mcadam (Corbett, Cavara)
    $96k in the bank

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    1. Looks good from here.

      Your DEF line is v deep if you see Williams as a keeper? If so, it also means you have three Rd14 byes there from the outset, which could cause a problem.
      It’s all gonna depend on decent rookie options anyway, so wouldn’t get too hung up on it at the mo’. Looks good for right now.

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  7. DEF: Lloyd, Sicily, Whitfield, Witherden, Collins, Scrimshaw (Wilkie, Wigg)

    MID: Cripps, Oliver, Fyfe, Neale, Zerrett, Stocker, Constable, Hind (Smith, Bewley, Valente)

    RUC: Grundy, Naismith (Fort)

    FWD: Danger, Heeney, Wingard, Setterfield, Burgess, Corbett (Parker, Cavarra)

    $122k remaining.
    My main gripes at the moment are tossing up between Witherden and Williams, and also Macrae vs. Fyfe.
    I’m leaning towards Witherden purely because he is the main kickout man at the Lions. But Williams has had premium scoring in the past, Witherden hasn’t hit that yet. Williams is also $50k cheaper.
    As for Macrae and Fyfe, Macrae is more expensive but also is likely to play 20+ games. Fyfe is definitely underpriced, but can he even play 15+ this season?

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    1. I’d go Williams over Witherden, for your byes more than anything.

      Personally, am likely starting Fyfe over Macrae cos I think Fyfe will blitz it Rd1 (see Adam’s stats on the Freo thread). Not saying Macrae won’t, but I’d like to see some early form like 2018 before I jump on, hopefully at a discount. He made such a massive leap last year, I’d rather not pay for it, if I don’t have to.

      On another point, Wingard is not training at the mo’ (calf issues) but wouldn’t worry about that just yet, as they say he’ll be ready.

      Whatever, we’re picking bones. Looks good. Apart from Naismith?!? 😉

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      1. I’d go macrae, He might get tagged early on and bottom out then spike again before cows fatten up.

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  8. DEF : Lloyd, Simpson, wirthden
    Wigg, hore, burgess, quaynor,
    Answerth

    MID: macrea, Cripps, Oliver, Neal, Viney,miles, setterfield, hind, valent, bewley, collier-dawkins

    Ruck: grundy, Kreuz, fort

    FWD: danger, windgard, billings, Eagels Kennedy, cavarra, Parker, Corbett, Blakey

    Rucks may change

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    1. Different fro most and pretty good.

      Think Kreuz is over the hill and you may have one or two too many mid-pricers in your FWD line. Would personally keep the one I think best and convert the other two into a Uber premo and a rookie.
      Viney could be a nice POD.

      Good luck

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  9. DEF – Sicily, Witherden, Mills, Roberton, Birchall, Quaynor (McKay, McLennan)

    MID – Cripps, Fyfe, Yeo, Martin, Zerrett, Walsh, Bewley, Hind (Collier-Dawkins, Hayes, Atkins)

    RUC – Grundy, Goldy (Fort)

    FWD – Danger, Dunkley, Wingard, Greene, Setterfield, Cobert (Parker, Cavarra)

    if Greene doesn’t get up then Zerrett turns into Miles/Hanners and Greene turns into Gray

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  10. My current JLT Watch Squad

    Whitfield, Mills, Williams, Collins, Logue, Duursma, Burgess, McKay.

    Cripps, Fyfe, Yeo, Martin, Viney, Liberatore, Butters, Hately, Constable, Bewley, Hind.

    Grundy, Gawn, Fort.

    Dangerfield, Heeney, Worpel, Rozee, Blakey, Setterfield, Corbett, Cavarra.

    213600 itb (cover fine tuning…..Rd1 injuries???)

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  11. Catta’s Clan@SCT mk11

    Def : Lloyd, Laird, Whitfield, Z Williams, Collins, Wilkie
    ( emg Burgess / Hore )

    Mid : Cripps, Oliver, Fyfe, J Kelly, Miles, Stocker, Constable, Hind ( emg Smith, Bewley, Valente )

    Ruc : Grundy, S Martin
    ( emg Sweet )

    Fwd: Dangerfield, D Smith, Heeney, Setterfield, Corbett, Parker ( emg I Hill / Cavarra )

    $7,800 in the bank
    All rookies subject to change

    Cheers Catta

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    1. Very similar. Only three different premos at current reckoning.
      The only thing I would say is that if you’re going Martin, you might as well go Gawn (same bye). I’m more worried about the reported rise and rise of McInerney than I am the arrival of Preuss. Hearing great things about Oscar and he could be to 2019 what Archie Smith was in 2016/17. A pain in the ruck!

      PS you also have three R14 byes in your backline if you see ZWilliams as a keeper.

      Good to see a team out of you 😉

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      1. Cheers allsaints,

        I’m hearing Martin is flying & more importantly working really well with Neale & Co in the engine room.

        Williams won’t be held, in actual fact if Roberton looks good throughout the JLT I may just swap them around & save the $110k

        Good luck in 2019

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  12. New team, would love some feedback!

    DEF: J. Lloyd, L. Whitfield, Z. Williams, T. Williamson, C. Rozee, S. Collins (M. Hore, H. Wigg)

    MID: P. Cripps, N. Fyfe, L. Neale, E. Yeo, Z. Merrett, S. Walsh, C. Constable, B. Bewley (L. Stocker, N. Hind, M. Gibbons*)

    RUCK: B. Grundy, M. Gawn (J. Sweet)

    FWD: P. Dangerfield, I. Heeney, D. Mundy, W. Setterfield, S. McAdam, B. Cavarra (J. Corbett, M. Parker)

    Basically, the main change is that I’ve downgraded a DEF premo to Williamson, which allowed me to go Miles to Neale. I feel a lot safer with 5 MID premos as opposed to 4, and all of the other DEF premos I don’t particularly trust for various reasons. It also gave me enough cash to spend on more expensive rookies with better job security at this stage (Williamson, Rozee, Walsh).

    My secondary change was swapping Smith for Mundy, I feel with the extra mid time Mundy will be getting with Neale gone and Blakely injured, they’ll average about the same, but Mundy is 10k cheaper and so far as a 1% ownership rate, as opposed to Smith’s 25%.

    Anyways, let us know what you think!

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    1. Looks great Ben. Only concern would be Williamson not fully training. Is that right? I had a look at my team with Mundy in it today. I liked it. Am sure he can deliver one last dance!
      When are you gonna sign up Gibbons*?!

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      1. I’ve heard conflicting reports about Willa, but the club hasn’t come out and said that there’s anything serious going on, I think they’re just being cautious and he’ll be good for round 1.

        As for Gibbons, sooner rather than later hopefully! Certainly would relieve a lot of stress on my end as a coach and a Carlton supporter.

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        1. Update on Willa, he IS on a modified training schedule right now, but that’s just the club being cautious about his back from last year, by all reports he should be right to go for round 1.

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  13. Can anyone tell me how my team is looking and what changes I should make

    Backs
    Whitfield salam Roberton Collins Wilkie burgerss (McLennan wigg)

    Mids
    Cripps Neale Martin Fyfe beams miles constable west (McHenry Shipley valente)

    Rucks
    Grundy Gawn (Clark)

    Forwards
    Dangerfield heeney wingard greene setterfield Corbett (woodcock Parker)

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    1. Strong forward and middle but your backline is very weak. I’d consider trading Miles and downgrading a ruck for another premium defender over Wilkie or McLennen

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    2. Probably don’t want beams and fyfe. Injury to both around the same time and season almost over.

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  14. Defenders:
    Lloyd, Laird, Webster, Williams, Collins, Quaynor
    (Hore, Wigg)

    Mids:
    Dangerfield, Cripps, Kelly, Yeo, Merrett, Stocker, Bewley, Hind
    (Collier-Dawkins, Valente, Constable)

    Rucks:
    Grundy, Martin
    (Fort)

    Forwards:
    Smith, Heeney, Wingard, Setterfield, McAdam, Cavarra

    Liking Webster as he has the same feel about Lloyd last year. Was averaging 100+ before injury and is priced the same and should play a similar role. Not sure about on Laird/Whitfield yet. Can’t risk a mid price ruckman like Longer or Naismith for the sake of a mid pricer elsewhere like Green or Miles.

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    1. Webster could be a great call. I hope so.
      I might end up with Danger in the MIDs to start too. Depends how the rookies shape up, but am open to the idea.
      Looks good, just personally not sold on Martin.

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  15. Hey guys
    I’m back after having a year off I’ve come back refreshed and raring to go for this year. Hope everyone had a good Xmas and new year.
    This is my first attempt any feed back would be great
    Cheers….
    Backs- Laird,Whitfield,Z.Williams,Roberton,Scrimshaw,Watson
    (Burgess, Reynolds)
    Mids-Macrae,Cripps,Fyfe,Merrett,Libby,D,Clarke,Valente,Hind
    (Stocker,Constable,Bewley)
    Rucks-Grundy,Gawn
    (Clarke)
    Fads-Danger,Smith,Greene,Rankine,Setterfield,Corbett
    (Mcadam,Cavarra
    Cash$337,900

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    1. That is a LOT of cash to have lying around. I’d be using it to turn Greene into a $500k+ premium (Heeney/Gray/Dunkley etc).

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  16. Current lineup looking like this, pretty happy with it but really wanna try and squeeze Collins into the backline, unsure how, any feedback would be great!
    DEF – Sicily, Whitfield, Andrews, Roberton, Burgess, Hore (Watson, Higg)
    MID – Cripps, Fyfe, Kelly, Neale, Crouch, Miles, Stocker, Bewley (Constable, Vanlente, Hind)
    RUC – Grundy, Goldstein (Fort)
    FWD – Dangerfield, Heeney, Wingard, Setterfield, Corbett, Cavarra (McAdam, Parker)
    Only 5500 left over which is also worrying me given my lack of viable looking DEF rookies

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    1. Might have one too many Uber-priced MIDs. A small tweak (or two) could afford you upping a DEF rookie to Collins.
      eg Neale to Yeo, Kelly to Cogs, Dusty and Zerrett are also relatively underpriced etc.

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  17. VERSION 3
    My main conundrum is choosing a D2&3 with any number of 8 to choose from. 74K remaining. Any thoughts are much appreciated :)))

    DEF: Lloyd, Sicily, Whitfield, Logue, Collins, Burgess, Wigg, McKay
    MID: Cripps, Neale, Fyfe, Martin, M. Crouch, Walsh, Bewley, Hind, Constable, Golds, Atley
    RUCK: Grundy, Goldy, Fort
    FWD: Danger, Heeney, Winged, Blakey, Setterfield, McAdam, Cavarra, Corbett.

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  18. OK I’m bakc. Thanks to some feedback on my original team, and reading through feedback other people’s teams I’ve revamped mine to something I hope will be better. Would appreciate your help

    DEF
    J Lloyd, R Laird, L Whitfield, A Witherden, S Collins, C Wilke (M Hore, H Wigg)

    MID
    J Macrae, L Neale, S Coniglio, R Gray, J O’Meara, A Miles, C Constable, B Bewley (E Smith, L Valente, N Hind)

    RUC
    T Goldstein, N Vardy (D Fort)

    FWD
    P Dangerfield, D Smih, I Heeney, I Rankin, W Setterfield, B Cavarra (J Petruccelli, M Parker)

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    1. I gave it a T/U because I like some your MID PODs (Cogs and JOM). But I’m not sure about Vardy at this point, that’s all.

      Maybe Gray goes FWD, Rankine goes OUT, get yourself a cheapo (hopefully CAR pick up Gibbons) and you’ve ($90k) more cash to turn him into something better …

      You’re also v deep in DEF, so Witherden could become a mid-price bolter or ANO rookie and then you have enough for Vardy to Gawn, Goldstein or Martin.

      Just some thoughts. If Vardy gets #1 duties over Hickey then great and I like your MID pods, otherwise I’d find a way to get yourself a keeper at R2 and save yourself a trade.

      Hope that helps and good luck

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      1. More than helpful Thanks. Waiting to see what happens with Vards but will need to upgrade if he doesn’t get #1 ruck at West Coast. Good useful suggestions the others too thanks. Will look to see how to incorporate them

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  19. With Blakely gone, this is version 3.

    Whitfield Williams Z Roberton Wilkie Hurn Burgess Hore Wigg

    Cripps Oliver Neale Dusty Zerrett Miles Bewley, Setterield or Stocker on field, Foley T Watson (c loop)

    Danger Smith Heeney Wingard McAdam Cavarra
    Kreuger Bines (dpp ruck and late season c loop)

    Bank 67.8
    Hurn and Whitfield for kick in pts
    Longley for Gawn hopefully after R14 bye
    Looking out for a final onfield rookie perhaps during JLT, probably for either Stocker or Setterfield

    Was torn on Grundy/Gawn…because of byes, went Grundy only. Even if Grundy falls $100k, thats equal to the value of a trade, one of which is saved from starting him over a Goldy/Stef etc…

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    1. Krueger’s a name I haven’t seen since the draft! Nice call if he gets a guernsey!
      Think you’re getting TDs because of Longer. It does allow you to go deeper on other lines but you might find there are enough rookies to go full book in the RUC.
      V solid MIDline.

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    2. Looks like I forgot my rucks….

      Grundy Longer (Fort)

      Fort could be a real smokey methinks…not recruited for nothing and Geelong have had ruck problems for years.

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  20. Few changes to my side and it looks like this. Would love some feedback

    Defence
    Lloyd, Whitfield, witherden
    B.Smith, Collins, hore
    (Wilkie, wigg)

    Mids
    Cripps, Fyfe, Kelly, Martin
    Miles, libba, stocker, hind
    (Bewley, constable, Ely Smith

    Rucks
    Grundy, Goldy
    (Fort)

    Forwards
    Danger, D.Smith, Heeney
    Rankine, setterfield, Corbett
    (Parker, cavarra)

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  21. Hey Guys, this is the first edition of my team. Would love some feedback as I am feeling a bit unsure this year.

    DEF
    Laird, Simpson, Williams, Roberton, Collins, Wilkie (Hore, Wigg)

    MID
    Cripps, Fyfe, Dusty, Beams, Zerrett, Stocker, Atley, Bewley
    (Constable, E.Smith, Hind)

    RUCK
    Grundy, Westhoff (Fort)

    FWD
    Danger, Heeney, Wingard, Greene, Setterfield, Cavarra (Burgess, Corbett)

    *Rookies are subject to change as I don’t know much about them.

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  22. Def.
    Lloyd, whitfield, witherden, williams, collins, rozzee (hore, wigg)

    Mid.
    Fyfe, neale, yeo, zerret, miles, walsh, bennell, stocker (constable, valente, hind)

    Ruck.
    Grundy, gawn (fort)

    For.
    Danger, heeney, wingard, setterfield, corbet, cavarra (mcadam, burgess)

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    1. Solid as. Just watch out for Rd13. You have 8 potential keepers on that bye. Could spell f3ukdom or something similar!

      Everyone’s on the Witherden train and I just don’t get it. I GET his potential (especially kick-ins/breakout blahblah) but with SO MANY UBER GUN Rd13 BYEs … am I missing something?!

      With only 8 bench spots, to have 8 premos on one bye will likely spell disaster. I guess if you’re not going for overall it doesn’t really matter. One loss isn’t gonna hurt. But still. I’m bemused

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      1. Hey allsaints , i agree 8 keepers on one bye is way to many, however in regard to witherden he is in my team at the moment and he is the only one of my four (hopefully keepers ) in def who has a bye that round. Depends how your team is set up as to whether he is viable i guess.

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      2. Alex Witherden 2018 averages

        With Rich: 84.4
        Without Rich: 99.0

        With Hodge: 84.1
        Without Hodge: 105.7

        With Both: 79.5
        Without 1: 101.9
        Without Both: N/A

        Unless Hodge or Rich does an ACL before round 1 I won’t be going anywhere near Witherden.

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        1. Love hodgey, but i dont think the old boy will play 22 games this year, time for the new breed to come along!

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  23. Hi everyone new to this place,
    What do ppl think of this team, thanks in advance
    Loyd Laird B.willliams z.williams
    Burgess McKay.(Wilkie hore)
    Macrea cripps fyfe Zorko wingard
    Miles constable j.atley
    (Hind Collier(richmond) bewley.
    Westhoff goldy (fort)
    Danger heeney gray setterfield
    Mosquito parker (cavarra k.hayden(north)
    Rookies will change 32100 in bank. Cheers

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    1. Jo.

      A very compact side 😉

      Some risky picks in B Williams and Zorko but they may pay off.

      I have put my case forward, as why not too start Westhoff in my comments to Braddles (below).

      Otherwise a pretty solid side.

      Welcome to SCT and thanks for posting.

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  24. Braddles.

    I really like this team for overall balance.

    I’m curious as to why you have gone Westhoff over a Goldie / Martin.

    Westhoff had never averaged 100+ before 2018. It was only really extended periods in the Ruck that allowed him to average so high.With lycett and Ryder at Port . I doubt Westhoff will play much Ruck at all. He may still average enough to be a viable forward. I do think he is too expensive to start and should be available up to $100k cheaper at some stage.

    If you are planning to start Westhoff or another F/R DPP. you will need to find a F/R DPP to start at F8 Bines from WC is one.

    Personally I think its better just to start a set and forget R2.

    I would be going Goldie as he has a different Bye to Grundy.

    lastly I would see which line ( forward or defence ) looks to have the most good rookies. if its defence downgrade Roberton to a rookie and upgrade Greene to a propper Premo. If more Forward rookies are available downgrade Greene and upgrade Roberton.

    Good luck with whatever you decide.

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    1. Thanks for the ideas, I am sure there will be many changes yet!

      I forgot about Lycett moving to Port so that plan may be out the window

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  25. Would welcome any feedback on my team.

    B. Laird, Whitfield, Williams, Smith, Collins, Scrimshaw (Rozee, Wigg)

    C. Macrae, Fyfe, MCrouch, ZMerret, Miles, Hannebery, Bennell, Stocker (Walsh, Bewley, Hind)

    R. Grundy, Goldstein (Bines)

    F. Dangerfield, Heeney, Greene, Rankine, Setterfield, McAdam (Corbett, Cavarra)

    Bank = $80K

    Reasonably happy with the Def and Ruck.
    Concerned that FWD are thin if Greene doesn’t get up for Rd1.
    Not sure about 2 midpricers Miles and Hannebery in the middle?

    But what to do?

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    1. I’d combine hammers, green, Rankin into a premium. Put Walsh on your field or downgrade him. Your mid premiums are good with the miles back up. Put in a fwd. Prob dunkly or smith(or jump on the menegola band wagon) . Wingard I’d be avoiding based on his calves. He’s popular but I personally smell a trap.

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  26. My turn. 🙂

    I tried to get 14 keepers ( 5 uber Premo Captains choices ) and NO midpricers. I put Danger in the middle I needed a DPP and figure he is as good as any 🙂 I also spent all the money, so I need these cheap rookies to show up!

    Dashing Donkeys #22344.

    D: Lloyd, Whitfield, Williamson, Collins, Duursma, Wilkie.
    ( Koschitzhe, Wigg.)

    M: Danger, Fyfe, Kelly, Neale, Merret, JOM, Stocker, Bewley.
    ( Atley, Hind, Valente (loop till he plays)

    Grundy, Goldie. ( Fort )

    Smith, Heeney, Mundy, Setterfield, Corbett, Cavarra.
    ( Parker, Langlands.)

    Mundy and JOM are the new editions. I just feel they have the most to gain with Mitchell going down, and the loss of Neale and now Blakey at Freo.

    Mundy has been a reliable scorer for years and I agree with Hutta he should have at least 1 more good year in him.

    JOM is a huge gamble to finish to 12 Mid this year and be a true Keeper.
    He was a former No 1 draft pick and is still young enough to be considered as a breakout chance. There is a big hole in the Hawthorn midfield to fill and he is first in line. I’m hoping for a least 100+ppg average and a keeper at M 8/9 at years end.

    I know I may need to find $$ for better rookies But I would love to start these 14 keepers if I can.

    Rip it to shreds.

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    1. Very brave 2 in the defence with only one kickout taker but I feel after JLT if defenders averages hardly get a bump more teams will be doing the same thing!

      Not sure about JOM. For someone who’s never averaged over 100 to back him in to average 110+ is a huge call not to mention the injury risk but kudos to you if it works out. I do agree there are plenty more points to be had in the Hawthorn midfield. With Titch gone there’s 130 more points to go around each week. Say 50 of those goes to a rookie who takes his place, and half of the remaining go to the opposition that still leaves 40 points to be shared amongst the hawks mids. I think Worpel will be the biggest beneficiary and has the potential to go 95+ in his second year like Cripps, Bont, Fyfe and even JOM have done before him!

      Rest of the team looks great. Mundy potential to be Kade Simpson-esque this season.

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      1. Thanks for the reply Ash.

        I have been giving Worpel some serious thought. I would like a bit more info on where he and Wingard are going to line up, before I really consider them. He may still get a look in if I need to downgrade someone ( probably Smith ,same Bye ) to afford the best rookies.

        Happy planning.

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        1. Wingard has been in my forward line all pre-season until I heard the news about his calf. That’s forward line resting waiting to happen!

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    2. No wines, go rocky instead of jom. Take the reasons that you selected jom and apply them to rocky. same risk, bigger reward

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    3. Oh my god, I feel like you’ve taken a screenshot of my team. I will have to make a couple of changes so it doesn’t look so embarrassingly similar! Same DEF and RUC premos and I’ve also ended up with Danger in my MIDs!!
      I think we need help.
      Needless to say, I like your team. A lot!

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      1. Thanks allsaints.

        Having Danger in the mids to start means ,I / We can move him forward at any time and loophole any M/F in the middle ( eg Setterfield R1)

        Can’t wait to see yours when the time is right 😉

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  27. DEF: Laird, Z. Williams, Saad, Hartlett, D. Roberton, C. Ellis (Z. Guthrie, T. Watson)

    MID: Heeney, J. Steven, Shiel, Wingard, Hall, Miles, Liberatore, S. Walsh (Setterfield, Stocker, Pudney)

    RUC: Witts, Lobb (Schlensog)

    FWD: D. Smith, McLean, Walters, De Goey, Rayner, Lukosius (McAdam, Mosquito)

    Any thoughts on some trades, need probably at least 1 premium player otherwise I’m pretty happy with it

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    1. Sorry Ash Robinson

      But tough love is the only way for me to approach reviewing this team.

      I will try to do it in the softest way possible. Most of your rookies are probably ok but your so called “Premo” selections leave a lot to be desired.

      If you take an a out of Saad you get sad. 🙁

      If you change the last two letters in Hartlett you get Hartless

      Your Midfield is a minefield of potential disaster ( wheres you captains options ? ) with Heeney the best ( and he should probably start forward.)

      On the Ruck line, you seemed to have lost your “Witts” and “Lobb’ed” a grenade into your scoring potential.

      Your forward line is also likely to make you “deGoey”mad with only Smith likely to be a top 6 option.

      I’m sorry if I was too harsh but I would honestly scrap this side and start again.

      My second year of SC I started a team much like this and finished outside the top 50 000. I also didn’t make finals in any of my leagues.

      Don’t make the same mistake I did. 🙂

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      1. Thanks mate, straight after I posted it I shook my head at myself haha

        Currently having a third go at it, never been super competitive at it but stakes are high with a work league so I appreciate the feedback!

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        1. No worries Ash.

          Check out the structure, and some of the more popular players, selected by other teams posted on this thread.

          I would start with the ones that have a few T/U.

          The Guns and Rookies approach is the best way to achieve some level of success.

          Happy planning.

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  28. Lloyd, sicily, Ryan, roberton, logue, quaynor(hore, wigg)

    Macrae, cripps, zerrett, sloan, zorko, stocker, bewley, hind. (valent, west, Atkins)

    Grundy, Gawn (fort)

    Danger, heeney, menegola, McAdam, corbet, petruccelle.(Parker, cavara)

    If need rookie money Roberton will drop to someone, probably Collins, I’m feeling bullish about logue. Setterfield will be a last minute inclusion if he’s right to go same for bennell. I’m thinking final team may be drop roberton, add setterfield, Collins and bennell.

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  29. Sorry TOF

    I can’t see choosing Rocky over JOM as the same risk. Not even close actually.

    JOM seems to be over the his injuries and played some good footy last year including 8 tons. ( top score a 145) he only needs to improve his average by 12 ppg to be a season keeper.

    JOM is also former top draft pick and now the number one midfielder at Hawthorn. He has the most to gain from Tom Mitchell’s absence. Surely 105+ is not out of the question.

    Rocky is a shadow of his former self and unlikely to play full time midfield. ( even with Wines likely to miss some footy )He only scored 4 tons last year.He also had 7 scores of 61 or less( including a 17.)

    I also think the Hawks will win a fair few more games than Port this year.

    I know its a risk picking JOM, but I have been pretty safe with most of my other picks and I think its a risk I’m willing to take.

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  30. DEF – J. Lloyd, Z. Williams, M. Hibberd, B. Smith, C. Cox, J. Scrimshaw
    Bench – C. Burgess, D. Joyce

    MID – Cripps, Neale, M. Crouch, Merrett, Wingard, Mile, S Walsh, Setterfield
    Bench – Hind, Ling, Bewley

    RUC – Gawn, Longer
    Bench – Z Clarke

    FWD – Danger, Smith, Heeney, Greene, Rankine, Rozee
    Bench – McCaddam, Cavara

    -All rookies and mid $ subject to change after JLT
    -Keen on Hibberd as he will be released more this year with acquisition of May and return of Lever so back to his running game a bit more (hopefully so goals)
    -Not too sure on any rookies as yet
    -Not sure on Greene yet either, could potentially look at swapping for Kent as he will play more midfield at saints???

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  31. As it stands currently:

    Def:
    LAIRD WHITFIELD ANDREWS MILLS COLLINS HORE WILKIE WIGG

    Mid:
    MACRAE CRIPPS NEALE YEO MILES ATLEY HIND WEST BENNELL SMITH BEWLEY

    Ruck:
    GRUNDY CLARKE FORT

    Forward:
    DANGERFIELD SMITH KENT BLAKEY SETTERFIELD PARKER GRESHAM HILL

    This will no doubt have about 20 changes by round 1, but this is my initial team.

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  32. Long time viwer very few posts but here is my first go this year rip it appart and let me know what you think.

    DEF: Lloyd, Whitfield, Z. Williams, Collins, Hore, Wilkie (Koschitzke, Wigg)

    MID: Oliver, Fyfe, Bontempelli, Martin, Merrett, Miles, Stocker, Constable(Bewley,Valente, Hind)

    RUC: Witts,Gawn (Fort)

    FWD: Dangerfield, Smith, Heeney, Setterfield, McAdam Corbett (Burgess, Cavarra)

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    1. Team looks very solid.

      Gawn / Witts ruck combo is certainly different.

      Gawn is potentially good different. Witts has more potential to be bad different.

      Overall a very solid squad.

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        One should always do a spell check and visual check of ones team

        Witts should have been Grundy.

        Which will leave $47100 in the bank

        Thanks for the heads up.

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  33. Minor tweaks here and there:

    DEF: Whitfield, Crisp, Williams, Collins, Quaynor, Burgess (McLennnan, Wigg)
    MID: Cripps, Fyfe, Neale, Merrett, Heeney, Miles, Setterfield, Bewley (Valente, Hind, Gibbons?)
    RUC: Grundy, Martin (Fort)
    FWD: Danger, Dunkley, Wingard, Fisher, Parker, Young (Cavarra, McAdam)

    Feel like the structure is about right. Thought about Heeney to Crouch, but I’m more confident in Heeney being a lock for top 6 forwards than I am Crouch in the top 8 mids.

    3 mid-pricers:

    – Williams coming back from injury, will be in most teams so minimal risk.
    – Miles stepping up in a threadbare midfield, also in most teams.
    – Fisher my pick for a breakout, with midfield time and a SC friendly game.

    Thought about Goldy, but feel more secure with Martin.

    Got the money for Whitfield -> Laird, but think Laird might be in for a slight decline this season.

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  34. Rough first draft , all rookies subject to change and shuffling around !
    Any feedback is greatly appreciated !

    Def: Lloyd , Laird , Sicily , Williams , Collins, Wilkie

    Mid: Cripps, fyfe, kelly, Neale, miles, setterfield, bewley, hind

    Ruck: Grundy , goldy

    Fwd: danger , Smith, heeney, rozee, Parker, cavarra

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  35. DEF: Laird, Whitfield, Williams, Birchall, Rook, Rook, Rook, (Rook), (Rook)

    Mid: Fyfe, Cripps, Kelly, Merrett, Libba, Rook, Rook, Rook, (Rook), (Rook), (Rook)

    RUCKS: Grundy, Gawn, (Rook)

    FWD: Danger, Heeney, Gray, JJK, Rook, Rook, (Rook), (Rook)

    Have zero confidence in any other rucks.

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  36. Hi everyone new to this place,
    What do ppl think of this team, thanks in advance
    Loyd Laird B.willliams z.williams
    Burgess McKay.(Wilkie hore)
    Macrea cripps fyfe Zorko wingard
    Miles constable j.atley
    (Hind Collier(richmond) bewley.
    Martin goldy (fort)
    Danger heeney gray setterfield
    Mosquito parker (cavarra k.hayden(north)

    Ok westhoff out and have put martin in the ruck, anywhere eles i can improve, cheers

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  37. After heaps of mucking around to actually fill a team of 30 i finally have my first version of my team

    Backs: Lloyd, Sicily, Williams, Roberton, Collins, Wilkie (Hore, Wigg)

    MIds: Cripps, Kelly, Neale, Zerrett, Miles, Walsh, Stocker, Constable
    (E.Smith, Bewley, Hind)

    Rucks: Gawn, Goldy (Schlensog)

    Fwds: Danger, Smith, Heeney, Greene, Rankine, Settlefield (Burgess, Cavarra)

    really wanted grundy as my R1 but settled for gawn because i needed an extra 5k cash haha.

    any help and feedback would be appreciated

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    1. Can always take the expensive rookies such as Walsh, Rankine, Collins down to a regularly priced one which would give you the cash for Gawn to Grundy.

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  38. After a first three of LLOYD, LAIRD, WHITFIELD, which is better option

    Zac Williams or Brodie Smith

    This is my pressing decision at present, means a midfield 4P, 1M 3R as opposed to 5P 3R

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    1. I personally feel that you put zac williams at d3 or Brody smith at d4. Lots of questions about defense this season that no one is sure about yet. So i wouldn’t go to deep, just enough to match most other peoples sides at this point in time. I’m leaving 3 spots open in defence to get the break away players because i don’t want to be stuck holding a hibbered or billings most of the season.

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      1. cheers for that

        I had over the previous hr dropped Laird for Witherden and the extra 100k released some pressure on the issue.

        For interest my DEF is LLOYD/ WHITFIELD/ WITHEREDN/ WILLIAMS/ COLLINS/ Logue, Quaynor, Goddard Scrimshaw etc after JLT

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  39. Buggered if I know. Whats everyone think?

    Lloyd Laird Sicily
    Francis Wilkie Burgess
    (hore) (Khamis)

    Fyfe Conoglio J.Selwood Sloane
    Shiel Wagner Mosquito Bewley
    (jok) (Hind) (Hayes)

    Gawn Martin
    (Fort)

    Dangerfield R.Gray McLean
    Green McAdam Kreuger
    (Parker) (Aarts)

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          1. Not exactly.

            I just new too much money had been spent!

            I can’t really tell who you will pick.

            Do you even know yourself?

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            1. Was wondering if you’d get my joke about Goldy due to my bias towards him.

              I think I’m set on a structure but just a bit of tossing and turning on x and y’s and I’m still compiling stats for my last couple of articles so I’ve yet to look at my bye plans.

              Main decisions will be
              Miles VS Hanners for M6 and
              Ryan/Andrews for D4 and T Greene for F3 VS Roberton for D4 and R Gray/D Mundy for F3.

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              1. I’ve been pretty set on Goldie for a while myself.

                For me Grundy is a lock.
                Gawn, Goldie and even Stef Martin keep swinging in and out of my team. Goldie frees up the most cash so he is sitting there for now.

                Out of your list above Greene Roberton and Hanna’s worry me the most. If they get injured before making cash you are in no-mans land. I would honestly gamble on libba before any of them.

                When I heard about Blakely going down. I have actually included Mundy, and am seriously considering Lloyd to Ryan if I need the cash.

                Miles and Andrews role will be closely monitored
                over the JLT.

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                1. Really like Miles as a pick and should be a great stepping stone.

                  A Miles:
                  53 matches between 2014-2016 for an avg of 95.28 (14/53 below 80, 31/53 below 100, 10/53 120+)

                  Averaged 23.53 disposals, 11.21 contested possessions and 4.26 tackles a game with a contested possession rate of 47.11% and a TOG% of 80.15% during that period.

                  6 matches between 2017-2018 for an avg of 73.83 (3/6 below 80, 4/6 below 100).

                  Averaged 19.5 disposals, 8.83 contested possessions, 4 tackles a game with a CPR of 43.81% and a TOG of 70.67% during that period.

                  In the 2 seasons Miles has averaged 95+ he has had more then 80% TOG (2014= 81.83%, 2015= 84%, 2016= 74.63%, 2017=70%, 2018=74%).

                  Regarding your concern about Roberton, Hannebery and Greene there’s no chance I’m going in with all 3 with 1 the minimum and 2 the maximum but the hard part will be deciding who.

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  40. First time poster. Have fiddled with my team every day since it opened but usually have a pretty settled lineup. Currently running as follows.
    Def: Lloyd, Simpson, Whitfield, Collins, Scrimshaw, Wilkie. Hore and Wigg.
    Mid: Mcrae, Cripps, Kelly, Treloar, Yeo, Stocker, Constable, Smith. Valente, Bewley and Hayes.
    Ruck: Grundy and Goldy. Forte
    Forwards: Danger, Heeney, Dunkley, Setterfield, Corbett, Parker. Cavarra and Wilkinson.
    I have a couple of changes in mind but want to stick with the highest costing players until it becomes clearer. Mcrae to Neale and Treloar to Zerrett are very real possibilities.
    Anyway what do you all think any structural changes you suggest? I have avoided Mid Pricers as they always trap me.

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    1. Very solid side Jamie.

      I would be keeping a close eye on Dunkley during the JLT.

      Looks like Libba is going to be ready, and Bevo has a habit of throwing his midfielders around a fair bit. He may great this year but he does come with some risk.

      Otherwise it looks great.

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      1. He is chosen as my one big risk (known rather than potential as all picks are) Looking at his stats last season, he was 4th in line anyway and racked up touches as well as tackles, so still has potential to do that from somewhere other than just midfield. Also had more around the ground clearances than centre clearances. Maybe I’m just trying to convince myself, but I feel these stats make him a bit more of a calculated risk. Thanks for the feedback though. Keen as beans for JLT to commence.

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  41. First draft….rooks to likely change.

    DEF: Lloyd, Laird, Whitfield, Colins, Quaynor, Wilkie, (Burgess, Hore)

    RUCK: Grundy, Gawn (Fort)

    MID: Danger, Macrae, Cripps, Zerret, Hannebery, Constable, Atley, Bewley (Wilson, Ling, Hind)

    FWD: Heeney, Smith, Wingard, Rankine, Blakey, Setterfield (Corbett, Cavarra)

    Feedback appreciated.

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    1. Why would you have danger as a mid?

      Swap smith for a mid premium and bring danger fwd.

      Actually dont mind the hanneberry pick

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      1. Let’s you go deeper in the fwd with cheaper options Vs more expensive mids. Put him fwd later on, also all the fwds have dpp so he can swing there whenever.

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        1. I agree TOF.

          Smith almost guaranteed a top 6 finish forward.

          Nearly all the Midfielders at his price are long shots to finish in the top 10 mids.

          Effectively your just picking an extra Forward.
          Setterfield could be at M6 or 7 instead of Danger at M 1 .

          I’m thinking of staring with a similar structure. It also allows you to loophole any of the F/M DPP’s through the middle if thats where you have your loop.

          I wouldn’t touch Hanners. No No No!

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  42. Lloyd, Whit, Crisp, Francis, quanor, Wilkie

    Cripps, Oliver, Fyfe, Martin, Miles, Walsh, Stocker, Constable

    Grundy, Gawn

    Danger, Heeney, Wingard, rakine, Setterfeild, Corbett

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  43. Should have something pinned or disclaimed at the top saying birschall, kruzer etc are bad picks. Green, roberton mummy etc are highly risky.
    Just for players a high percentage of coaches wouldn’t pick unless taking a calculated gamble. Think you know what I’m on about, as soon as I see a team with birschall I won’t comment because it happens to much. Should be a catch all for popular troublesome picks even suspended guys (gaff) which new coaches can reference before posting, so they can swap them or give an explanation for their selection.

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  44. first team for the year…..

    whitfield, ryan, mcgrath, collins, scrimshaw, wilkie (rookie,rookie)
    oliver, fyfe, kelly, neale, M. crouch, miles, hannebery, bewely (rookie,rookie,rookie)
    witts, jacobs (rookie)
    heeney, gunston, mclean, billings, rayner, settlefield (rookie,rookie)

    thoughts appreciated

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    1. Matt.

      Apart from the rookies, I would honestly only keep…….

      Whitfield, Ryan, Heeney and all your midfield except Hanners ( I just can’t see him staying fit long enough to be worth it.)

      Libba or Miles GCS are better gambles if you want a cheap midfielder.

      The rest I would be trying to swap out for proven premium players or Rookies. You have selected way too many cheap / average players that won’t really make you money, or score well enough to be worth it.

      Hope I wasn’t too harsh. 🙂

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  45. First crack at a team

    Laird Whitfield Williams Collins Wilkie Burgess
    Hore Wigg

    Cripps Oliver Fyfe Kelly Duncan Miles Stocker Bewley
    Constable Atley Hill

    Grundy Goldstein
    Fort

    Dangerfield Heeney Smith Setterfield McAdam Corbett
    Parker Cavarra

    Rookies are subject to change

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    1. Solid as. Duncan a proven POD, but not for me.
      Not sold on Laird this year. Just think they’ll be looking for Smith or go longer upfield which will effect his cheap points. Gun, no doubt, but just have too many concerns. Watchlist for me. Just think there are better, cheaper options to start.
      If either of the Crouch brothers have a collapse pre-season or during, I’ll be tempted to jump straight on Milera!

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      1. Thanks.
        I agree that Laird won’t score as much however I do believe he still will be top 3 come seasons end.
        Duncan I’m still up in the air about. I reckon he will average 105 this year hopefully

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    1. Quite like Smith, up n down but SO CHEAP. Also think he’ll benefit from kick-in rules. The knee IS a concern, but …
      I’m more concerned about Roberton, but more as a Sainter than from an SC perspective.
      I trust Williams far moreso because an Achilles is nothing comparatively, as recovery is pretty straightforward (just time).
      The question for me is:
      Will they play 7+games and produce enough to upgrade/even keep?!

      I’ll be waiting for rookie numbers before deciding, but would much rather go 3 keepers and rookies (incl. Collins) if I can.
      I think the VALUE starters lie more in the MID and FWD lines more than DEF and certainly not RUC.

      What are you thinking TOF!? Love reading what you have to say …

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      1. Lol, I’ll get back to you later on. This may take a while to make sure all points are covered. Busy right now.

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      2. So. I’ve stated before I don’t like mid pricers in the middle(fallen premiums are fine). With all the talk about who scores well in defence this season, it has me thinking . Lloyd is a lock. Sicily (no Burton, kick in percentage and no Mitchell meaning the ball will probably down his way a lot) lock. Luke Ryan(kick in rule, his play on percentage is so low (3%)that now he’s basically forced to play on meaning more points especially for him, and he’s got just general room for improvement) lock.
        So 3 defenders who should score more than anyone else(theoretically).
        But if the new kick in rule impacts scoring alot you want all these type of players in asap. If these players are guaranteed extra points they won’t drop their average so you can jump on at 400-450k. And if they don’t drop to much you need a lot of cows to fatten up now in order to upgrade your uber mids and now defenders.
        So by starting Roberto and smith at d4 and d5 your halfway to getting in these other defenders without waiting for your cows to fatten up. You can also trade them to Whitfield quicker if he is a must have. And if need be you can use them for a premium mid if the defenders don’t go nuts. Which has led me to putting miles into the middle, on the proviso that this is a strategy. All 3must take precident to upgrade asap. Getting 3 extra premiums quickly and striking the must haves quickly rather than waiting for cows to fatten up.
        I didn’t proof read this lol, hope im conveying where I’m going with this.

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  46. Afternoon all,

    First time poster, long time reader…Gone the high risk high reward road (Ruck madness). Please be kind 🙂

    R.Laird, L.Whitfield, C.Mills, Z.Williams, D.Roberton, C.Collins (L.Vandermeer, H.Wigg)

    L.Neale, D.Martin, S.Ross, Z.Merritt, A.Miles, T.Liberatore, S.Walsh, H.Bennell (L.Stoker, C.Constable, N.Hind)

    T.Goldstein, B.Longer (D.Fort)

    P.Dangerfield, D.Smith, I.Heeney, C.Wingard, W.Setterfield, J.Corbett (C.Burgess, B.Cavarra)

    $30K in the bank.

    Thanks.

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    1. Love your thinking and risk-taking, but think you have to have one of Gawn/Grundy … whoever you think will do better. To find the money to do that (and I’d be replacing Longer) you need to rank your RISK picks in order that you think they’ll deliver. Cull from the bottom and replace with a rookie until you’ve got the necessary $$s to do that. They could all be great picks but history says a few won’t … and that could ruin your season.

      All that said, if you fundamentally want to take this approach, I say to hell with it and good luck. You could always ask your girlfriend/boyfriend/wife/mum if they’d be happy for you to use their email to put in a team?
      Like you say, no risk, no reward!

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  47. Can someone talk me in to (or out of) starting Zach Williams? I believe he’s a great value selection and will average 90-95 for the season but you’re essentially shooting yourself in the foot to get Laird pre-byes if you start Whitfield also (all share Rd 14 bye). Laird’s average is likely to drop to around 100 for all the reasons previously discussed on this page but would still be in the top 6 defenders come seasons end.

    Presuming you start Whitfield, starting with Williams would essentially leave you with 4 choices:
    1. Bring in Laird after his Rd 14 bye (which means you only get him for 9 weeks of the season)
    2. Bring in Laird before the Rd 14 bye and have 3 premo defenders not scoring in Rd 14
    3. Sideways trade Williams to Laird once Williams has reached his true price point; or
    4. Not get Laird at all

    Has anyone else come across this dilemma? Or am I overthinking things and should just pick the best starting team and see how the season unfolds.

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    1. Im think of starting sicily ryan llloyd and wait for laird to drop in price then trade ryan/sicily for laird in round 6 or 7 . Money save can get you Grundy/Gawn.

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    2. Make a team with 13 bonafide not trading out keepers. that you believe are the best selection on each line. fill the rest of team with your rookies , no more than 1 over 150k. any cash left over then add williams as a sudo 14th keeper. if not enough cash for him, go miles. either williams selects himself or not. dont cut 1 of your 13 to accommodate him.

      Not telling you how to build your team, just an exercise to realize you dont need him. if he is added on as an extra, great, if not dont stress, especially if other people have him in their best 13.

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      1. Sound advice and about spot on.

        Keeper amount about right i would say 12+, one 150k+ rookie DEF & FWD, 2 MID eg Walsh and whichever one plays

        Midpriced to be kept 3 max.

        All this depends on injured premiums from the previous year, some can offer more than other years. Fit your team around above or this and you have the structure to succeed

        ASH, You are over thinking Laird pick. If you think he will be top 6 DEF but drop ave and hence price, why does it matter if you trade him in later.

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        1. Last year, NOT ONE of the top 20 money-earners (rookies or not) was a premium-priced rookie who wasn’t mature aged. NOT ONE.
          I know this year’s draft is considered ‘the best in years’, but be careful. There’s nothing like time in the system. An AFL pre-season and then producing numbers in the VFL, SANFL, WAFL … history says, should be worth more than the likes of Walsh, Rankine, Lukosius and the like.
          Look at the top 10 moneymakers over the last three years. I might be wrong, but I think there is only one exception to the rule!
          Can anyone name him?

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        2. I’m finding Laird the hardest premo to decide on out of them all! The return of Smith, new kick out rule (less likely to be a short kick target) and a fit Adelaide midfield (he did still attend a few centre bounces last year) seem to point to a decrease in scoring. However the fact he’s an absolute jet and Adelaides easy draw still make me think he will be top 3 come year end.

          The main concern above is with the Rd 14 bye as he shares it with both Whitfield & Williams. Plenty of discussion has been given (thanks Allsaints) on having more than 2 premos on the pine in any line during the bye rounds means you’re missing out on healthy points. And we all know you can’t win Supercoach during the bye rounds but you can certainly lose it! But maybe this is one to cop based on the value of Williams & scoring potention of Laird & Whitfield.

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      2. Totally agree. I’m not picking any fallen prem or mid-pricer that I dont think COULD be a keeper…exception might be Roberton till the main defenders sort themselves out. Its been pointed out here before that a trade might be worth $100 k, so that is the amount you would expect a prem to fall before picking them up. I’d reckon the most likely reason that would occur is injury…Zerrett and M Crouch last year for example.

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        1. Think that comment belonged elsewhere…put the top back on the wine cask Wighty !! Still think the thoughts are relevant.

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    3. 4. Or start Laird.
      The question you need to ask yourself is, which three SC DEFs do I have most confidence in finishing top6? Pick those. If only two, pick two and then look for value. If there aren’t enough DEF rookies, you might have to do that anyway!
      For me the biggest lesson I learnt last year was picking too many maybes and finished the season with only 8 premiums I started with.
      Injuries aside that’s a horrible outcome. And why I ran out of trades.
      If you’re asking the question, my advice would be NO. Instead, pick AT LEAST 12 durable premiums you have 100% confidence in (ie even if they don’t live quite up to expectations, they’re still keepers).
      Of course you can’t plan for injuries, but you can plan to minimise pain.
      Good luck 🙂

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        1. Ash

          I have a slightly different take on things.

          When planning for the Byes my first thought is balance.

          Ideally I want start 14 Premos.

          This means I want to start no more than 5 premos that have the same Bye. I’m currently running a 5/5/4 structure.
          It really doesn’t matter as much where they play.

          I will try to explain.

          If you select Laird Whitfield and Williams as R14 Bye players

          Thats fine. But you should only really start 2 other R14 bye player on all the other lines.

          Looking at this year. There seems to be no Rucks or Forwards so I should just be saying two other R14 Midfielders.

          I don’t plan to start Laird, but will have no problem getting him pre Byes if his price is right.

          Hope that makes some sense.

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          1. That’s great advice Freo Tragic. I think I was looking too much into the number of bye players in each line and not enough on overall team balance. I’m currently running 3/5/5 for my starting squad. You’re right about the lack of Rd 14 fwd premos.

            At this stage I probably won’t start with Williams but will look to bring in Simpson & Laird before the byes.

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            1. Yeah cool Ash.

              I like Simmo and laird as upgrade targets too.

              By starting an even Bye structure, you give yourself a chance to fit in your best possible upgrades eg: ( most promising Fallen Premiums ) pre Byes.

              Good luck this year 🙂

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          2. Great advice FT…..on my SC planner, I have added another column showing the bye rounds of only those players I think will be playing the byes. Players such as Bewley dont appear, but they do on the SC planner . I therefore am ignoring the bye round counter on the planner.

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  48. Current line up,

    D – Llyod, Sicily, Whitfield, Collins, Wilkie, Burgess, Hore, Wigg

    M – Macrae, Cripps, Dusty, Zerrett, M.Crouch, Bennell, Constable, Bewley, Stocker, Hind, Foley

    R – Gawn, Grundy, Fort

    F – Danger, Heeney, Dunkley, Setterfield, Cavarra, Parker, McAdam, Corbett

    Only 3.4k left which isn’t ideal

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  49. Version 9

    DEF: Simpson, Witherden, Williams, Roberton, Wilkie, Hore (Koschitzke, Wigg)

    MID: Cripps, Fyfe, Neale, Yeo, Martin, Constable, Smith, Bewley (Valente, Hind, Watson)

    RUC: Grundy, Goldstein (Fort)

    FWD: Dangerfield, Heeney, Dunkley, Wingard, Setterfield, Burgess (Parker, Cavarra)

    $25k in the bank.

    Feel free to tear me a new one lads 🙂

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  50. Providing a decent JLT and round 1 selection… is it crazy to go Darcy Fort at R2?
    Plenty of cash could be made from him and allows $$$ to be spent elsewhere. Has shown he can score very well in SuperCoach last year. A bit of left-field big risk big reward kinda thinking.

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      This plan could only work if you have a R/F selected in the forward line. You will also need some one like Bines R/F at R3.

      Westhoff, Lycett, Lobb or Vardy.

      I don’t really feel any of these guys will average enough to be keepers (Westhoff maybe but I think he is nearly $100k over priced)
      If Ryder, Sandi or Hickey get injured thing could could change . I still feel you will end up burning a trade on them, or carrying them as ruck cover for the year.

      After burning a few trades trying to be cute with my rucks last year.

      I have much more faith in the “Set and Forget” Ruck set up.

      I still hope Fort averages 80+ at R3 🙂

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    2. I’m looking at this too depending on JLT…would try and keep enough cash to correct trade to a longer or similar if it busts, and putting bines at F8 for flexibility and c loop. Cats didn’t burn a trade on a mature 205cm ruck for nothing and they have always had a problem there. Fort reminds me of darcy at Freo.

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  51. Can anyone tell me why they think lairds average will drop off this season ?
    And anyone who thinks he will drop off please list who they think will be a top 3 def ?
    Also is anyone concerned about Whitfield and Williams scoring ? Both potentially playing the same position, will Whitfield moving up the ground have an impact on his scoring output? Will Williams score less if his sharing his role across half back with Whitfield ? There’s a few questions marks there for me …

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    1. Damien,

      Tough questions haha if we knew exactly how it’ll pan out we’d collect the 50k with ease, however I think the top 6 defenders will be Lloyd, Laird, Ryan, Sicily, Williams (depending if fit), and maybe Whitfield or Witherden. It’ll be interesting to see how the kick ins increase sc scores. If it increases averages by 15+ points per game I think it could be worthwhile to start with 4 of these guys.

      In terms of Whitfield and Williams, they could both score well. We’ve seen many times that players from the same team can score well in the same game. Only time will tell..

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      1. Thanks .
        I just see a lot of comments about not being able to trust laird which I can’t seem to understand. I know he could potentially lose points with new rules and Brodie smith back but surely his more trustworthy then most other premium defenders as his been there and done it for couple of years now .
        Personally I think Lloyd, Sicily and laird have a 5-10 point gap on the rest of the top def at this stage . But there’s sure to be 1 or 2 that take the next step this year and would be nice if we could find them now haha

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  52. HEY COACHES!

    First post of the year, can’t wait for the footy to begin..

    BACKS
    Lloyd, Ryan, Williams, Collins, Wilkie, Burgess, Hore, Wigg

    MIDS
    Cripps, Fyfe, Neale, Yeo, Martin, Merrett, Constable, Atley, Bewley, Valente, Hind

    RUCK
    Gawn, Goldy, Fort

    FORWARDS
    Danger, Heeney, McLean, Setterfield, Corbett, Cavarra, Mosquito, Schlensog

    Obviously a long way to go before the season but let me know what ya’ll think!

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  53. Loyd, Whitfield,B.Smith,Willamson,collins , wilkie (Hore,Wigg)

    Macrae, Cribbs,Kelly,Neale,M. Crouch, Miles,Stocker,collier, (Mosquito,Bewley,Hind)
    Grundy,Goldy (Ford)

    Danger,Dunkley, Wingard, Rankine, Setterfield,Schults, (Parker,Cavarra)

    I do like my starting team i feel its strong in the mid and has good balance in the back and forward lines. The only issue is the round 14 bye however round 14 is a long way into the season plenty of time to plan around it with round 12,13 bye’s to go first.

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  54. First Crack for 2019 Boys n Girls
    Def.
    Laird. Blakely. Witherden.
    Williams. Birchall. Wigg.
    Clavarino. Hore
    Mids.
    Cripps. Fyfe. Shiel. BCrouch
    Hanners. Libba. Walsh. Atley
    Smith. Bewley. Sparrow
    Rucks.
    Martin. Westhoff. Sweet
    Fwds.
    Danger. Degoey. Dahlhaus
    Kennedy. Greene. Setterfield
    Corbett. Cavarra
    138k left any thoughts good bad otherwise

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    1. Hey mate,

      I think you have too many speculative picks/mid prices. Libba, hanners, b crouch, Dahlhaus, d goey, Greene is injured, Blakely is on the long-term injury list. Narrow it down, downgrade a couple to rookies and get a few more premos.

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    2. Blakey will not play first month, consider Ryan from FREO frees up more cash for your midfield.Birchall very risky, look at Collins from the suns for D5 . Sheil has never avg over 100. You need at least merrit neale or dusty somewhere in your midfield. Crouch injury concerns and awkward price. Hanners on watch for JTL on his role, lots of competitions at the saints for midfield time,.miles from the suns could be better option more time in midfield is gauranteed.Still question over Greene fitness. Good Luck.

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  55. First Time at Supercoach. Lots of great info, stats and views on team selections. My first team.
    Lloyd Sicily Ryan Willams Collins Scrimshaw
    Crisps Oliver Merrit Martin Adams Miles Constable Bewley
    Grundy Whitts
    Danger Heeny worpel Blakey Cavarra Corbett

    Rd 14 forwards with the rule change at the bounce any opinions on riewoldt averaging extra goal each game.?Thoughts on Zeiball moving back to more minutes in midfield can increase on last years average to 95+ this year.?

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  56. Nice, not sure about Witts but could be a good diferencial. Ziebell yeah could be a good shout, wait and see with JLT

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  57. Hi Coaches,

    Been doing SC for a while and always left it to the last minute and ended picking an OK team but never threatened for the title. Decided to get in early, take it a bit more seriously and found this site which is great for all the input from everyone.
    Thoughts appreciated.

    Initial team:

    DEF: Laird Witherden Whitfield Williams Collins Wilkie (Burgess, Hore)

    MID: Cripps Oliver Merret Yeo Miles Stocker Constable Bewley (Smith Valente Hind)

    RUC: Gawn Grundy (Bines)

    FOR: Danger Heeney Gray Rankine Setterfield Parker ( McAdam Cavarra)

    Might try to get another W in defence lol!
    Debating whether I need to trade in a McRae and Lloyd.

    Cheers Good Luck all

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  58. Def: Lloyd, Sicily, Whitfield, Williams, Wilkie, Hore (Burgess, Wigg)

    Mid: Macrae, Cripps, Neale, Martin, Zerrett, Constable, Valente, Hind (Stocker, Smith?, Bewely)

    Ruck: Grudny, Goldy (Sweet)

    Fwd: Danger, Dunkley, Wingard, Setterfield, Parker, Cavarra (Corbett, ?)

    The question marks are for rookies im waiting to pop up in JLT, and obviously other rookies are subject to change.

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      1. J C

        I think you may have spent up a little too much in defence.

        I would look at dropping a defensive Premo and including Collins at D4. He took the most intercept marks in VFL history last year and should see plenty of the ball in the Suns backline. He is one of the few expensive rookies I feel maybe worth it at this stage.

        I would personally only go one of Wingard or Dunkley and try to find a spot for Heeney. He is training with the midfield and is a must have in my mind.

        Overall a very good team.

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  59. DEF:
    Laird, Sicily, Whitfield,
    Collins, Logue, Wilkie
    (Hore, Wigg)

    MID:
    Macrae, Cripps, Oliver, Yeo
    Merrett, Walsh, Constable, Bewley
    (Valente, Hind, Hayes)

    RUCK:
    Grundy, Goldstein
    (Fort)

    FWD:
    Dangerfield, Heeney, R Gray
    Setterfield, Corbett, Parker
    (Woodcock, Cavarra)

    Ideally id like to have Miles instead of Walsh but just cant figure it out at the moment as im happy with my premiums and dont want to downgrade them to cheaper options.

    Was also undecided between Yeo or Dusty, at this stage im sticking with Yeo.

    Any feedback appreciated.

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    1. Very solid side ! Personally I’d take dusty but I think I’m just ignoring yeo due to him losing dual position status

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      1. Thanks Damien,
        I originally was also but now am really starting to consider him just not sure if its worth it. Even thinking about Cogs as something a bit different.

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  60. Would love some feedback on my side community.

    DEF: Laird, Sicily, Witherden, Newman, Quaynor, C.Burgess (Wigg Hore)

    MID: Cripps, Fyfe, Kelly, Neale, Miles, Libba, Stocker, bewley (Atley Valente Hind)

    RUCK: Grundy Goldy (sweet)

    FWD: Danger, D.Smith, Heeney, Setterfield, Blakey, Cavarra (Stengle Corebett)

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    1. Mav.

      A very solid side overall , but for me ,there maybe a still little too many risky midpriced picks.

      I would look at Newman down to Collins ( reasons in my comments above.) and then you can turn Libba or Miles into a value mid like Merrett / Dusty/ /M crouch.

      I do love your forward line looks just like mine 🙂

      Happy planning!

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  61. Keen to get some thoughts:
    DEF: Sicily, Whitfield, Blakely, Z.Williams, Rozee (Wigg McKay)
    MID: Cripps, Kelly, Oliver, M.Crouch, Merrett, A.Hall, Hind, Bewley (Constable I.Hill R.West)
    RUCK: Lobb, Goldy (Fort)
    FWD: Danger, D.Smith, C.Wingard, Setterfield, McAdam, M.Parker (Corbett, Cavarra)
    Cheers.

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  62. K. Simpson,L. Whitfield,L. Ryan,B. Williams,C.Wilkie,M.Hore
    Emerg – N. Answerth,H. Wigg
    P. Cripps,N. Fyfe,L. Neale,E. Yeo,A.Miles,B.Smith,L.Stocker,L. Valente
    Emerg – C. Constable,B. Bewley,N. Hind
    S. Martin,B. LongerBE
    Emerg – D. Fort
    P. Dangerfield,I. Heeney,D. Mundy,J. Dunkley,W. Setterfield,B. Cavarra
    Emerg – S. McAdam,B. Woodcock

    $228,500 Struggling with ruck choices at the moment. Rookies will change no doubt with JLT series. Let me know what you think need all the help I can get. Not even looking at byes yet….

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    1. Your correct with your ruck problems , I think you definitely need to start one of the big 2 and you have enough spare cash to upgrade Martin

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  63. Defence
    J loyd j Sicily j harbrow a McGrath a Francis m hore (t Watson) (h wigg)
    Midfield
    P Dangerfield p Cripps z Merrett d Smith d Shiel I heeney
    W setter field b stretch (m ling) (i mosquito) (j madden)
    Rucks
    B Grundy t Bellchambers (p bines)
    Forwards
    C curnow t membrey j Daniher d Moore b cavarra b Schlensog
    (J Corbett) (b riach)

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    1. Need to mix up DPP’s (FWD MID) more, Danger must go in as a FWD, perhaps even Heeney and play with it from there.. more points value in mid price mids than fwds. IMO

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  64. AS, FT, TOF, Wighty and any common (regular) associates,

    Thoughts please,
    POD Short,
    …..which team is likely to have the most kick ins???
    With the new faster flowing of the game (AFL hopes) …….
    More goals??? And less points???……and B1 and B2 oops, I mean R1 and R2, two athletic running balanced big guys, yeah, rare I know, ……Grundy and Sinclair!!!
    Your words/research appreciated…..
    Cheers

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    1. I think defense will make or break this year, so i wouldn’t personally go for a dramatic POD. Witherden over williams or simpson over whitfield type of thing i’d stay well clear of break outs in defense even mills. My personal pov.

      The team that plays the highest scoring teams twice. So whomever plays melbourne, richmond. So….Collingwood?(No Idea most likely carlton).

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  65. Hi everyone,
    I’ve been reading this forum since last year and I’d like to thank everyone as it’s been very entertaining and informative!
    I’m very new to AFL and this is my very first SC.
    Please destroy this team for me 🙂
    DEF
    J. Sicily, K. Simpson, T. Doedee, B. Smith, T. Williamson, C. Rozee
    R- B. Burgess, H. Wigg

    MID
    J. Macrae, C. Oliver, N. Fyfe, S. Coniglio, J. Worpel, A. Miles, L. Stocker, L. Valente
    R- J. Atley, B. Bevley, N. Hind

    RUC
    B. Grundy, S. Naismith
    R- D. Fort

    FOR
    P. Dangerfield, I. Heeney, C. Petracca, J. Higgins, W. Setterfield, J. Corbett
    R- M. Parker, B. Cavarra
    11. 4k $ left

    I’m not sure having 5 mid$ players is going to be a good strategy unless they all deliver straight away?

    Thanks for reading this 🙂

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  66. Ok, all saints, or anyone, sell me on seb ross. I know you’ve talked about him before, but…
    I have Fyfe in my team currently. But feel uncomfortable with him there, the only premo i’m not happy with.
    I don’t want to go to Neale, Oliver or any other round 13 bye player(wce, gee, syd, melb, bris, coll) Josh kelly is in the same position as Fyfe.
    I have macrae and Cripps and martin. Could go Coniglio, But i’m liking ross’ games played history more, which is why i don’t feel comfortable with Fyfe. So why am i thinking Ross, what’s he got?

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    1. IMO A fantasy league (receiver) player.
      SuperCoach is more of a HBG (hard ball gets) and no mistakes competition.

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  67. Thoughts??
    Lloyd,Whitfield,Witherden,Roberton, Rozee,Answerth (Wigg,Hore)

    Cripps, Oliver, Neale, M Crouch, Zerrett, Libba, Walsh, Constable
    (Hind, Bewley, Hayes)

    Grundy, S Martin (Fort)

    Danger, Heeney, Cerra, Rankine, Mcadam, Cavarra (Parker, Corbett)

    14k left in bank

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  68. Rightio take 2
    Lair. Ryan. Witherden. Williams
    4x Rookies
    Fyfe. Cripps. Coniglio ?. Beams. Merret
    6x Rookies
    Martin. Westhoff.
    Danger. Heneey. Lynch ? Greene ?
    4x Rookies
    103k. Left. Proj 1727
    Any thoughts Cheers

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