AFL General Discussion

Written by Motts on September 13 2019

Just somewhere to post your thoughts on whatever’s going on in the off-season.

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  1. Thank you Motts. This is another reason why I love this site, the quick response to a suggestion.

    BTW.
    I humbly thank SCT for the induction into the Hall of Fame for 2019. I must have missed the thread or I would have thanked you earlier for the honour. A big congratulations to all the other worthy inductees. You guys rock.

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      1. That could have easily been another Andrew Gaff like incident. Was very lucky he made contact with the skull and not the jaw.
        Thought he was fortunate to only get 1 week.

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  2. Toby Greene suspended for one week for making unreasonable or unnecessary contact to the eye region of Brisbane’s Lachie Neale on Saturday night.

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      1. One week suspension stands After appeal fails. Lachie Neale gave evidence that he felt contact to his nose but not he eyes.
        GWS consider their options.

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        1. The thing that puts me right off greene is that he doesn’t give a rats arse what damage he does to opposition players .
          He got off last week because he pleaded guilty and showed remorse , which was probably an apology authored by some gws media rep. He never learns his lesson and will seriously injure someone if he keeps up his behaviour.

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          1. Not only can he not be trusted in SC, he is rapidly becoming the most despised player in the game……mind you if not Greene, who IS the most despised player in the game.
            Complete jerk.

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  3. Richmond: Nathan Broad (Concussion) Available for the Grand Final “He’s passed all his tests & he’s right to go” Assistant Coach Justin Leppitsch

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    1. RICHMOND v GWS GIANTS

      Saturday 28 September, 2.30pm at the MCG

      TIGERS

      B: D. Astbury, N. Broad, D. Grimes

      HB: B. Houli, N. Vlastuin, J. Short
      C: B. Ellis, D. Prestia, J. Caddy
      HF: D. Rioli, T. Cotchin, K. Lambert
      F: J. Castagna, T. Lynch, J. Riewoldt
      FOLL: T. Nankervis, S. Edwards, D. Martin

      I/C: I. Soldo, L. Baker, M. Pickett, S. Bolton
      EMG: J. Ross, S. Stack, R. Garthwaite, K. McIntosh
      IN: M. Pickett
      OUT: J. Graham (shoulder)

      GIANTS

      B: N. Haynes, P. Davis, A. Corr
      HB: A. Kennedy, S. Taylor, H. Shaw
      C: Z. Williams, J. Kelly, L. Whitfield
      HF: S. Reid, J. Cameron, H. Perryman
      F: H. Himmelberg, J. Finlayson, B. Daniels
      FOLL: S. Mumford, T. Taranto, M. de Boer

      I/C: J. Hopper, D. Lloyd, T. Greene, A. Tomlinson

      EMG: I. Cumming, Z. Langdon, L. Keefe, I. Hill

      IN: L. Whitfield, T. Greene

      OUT: L. Keefe (omitted), I. Hill (omitted)

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  4. Media has almost ruined the AFL for me. Supercoach is the main reason i still follow it. Seeing articles posted left right and centre all about Toby Greene. Fox Footy just posted an article about his fathers arrest. He hasn’t spoken to him in years and has no control over someone elses actions. Similar goes to all over the first quarter yesterday and Greene’s incident. Couldn’t find much on Cotch and Mummy’s incident though……..

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    1. Have to agree mate.
      Listen to Coodabeens every week, on here and Twitter every day but that’s it for me.
      The rest is rubbish apart from maybe the odd nugget of a piece in the Age.
      Gonna enjoy some time away from it this off-season.

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    2. Agree with you on greene’s father , nothing to do with toby but he brings the rest on himself. Media in general print whatever they like without worrying about facts. Not just afl media.

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    3. How sad when someone has to go down the Greene Snr path to gain some kudos. Beautiful sense of timing and sensitivity…..not !! I reckon a Toby verbal backhander to the reporter would have been well received by the masses. Toby is no Saint (sorry As), but no one deserved that personal invasion at such a time. If the story was about John Smith nobody, it would have got a fraction of the air time.
      Anyone remember plugger on crutches and Eddie Maguire ?

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  5. Media is sensationalistic egoism.
    They thrive of us with innuendos, and feed our naive tunnel vision for their emotional gains…….a bit like the creating of Facebook, ie no verbal communication skills, and why courts use very limited punctuation, so things can’t be taken out of context………..

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  6. As many of you will know, I am a bombers tragic. However, I have to acknowledge that we are in the longest club premiership drought in history. Who would have thought after 2000 ? Leaving GCS aside, since 2000, only that other C club has performed worse if I am right.
    So what do the bombers do ? For the third time in 10-15 years appoint an untried senior coach in Ben Rutten. Knights and Hird were the other two, and of course bomber Thompson rounded out a period of coaching infamy.
    Surely its time for a hail Mary. Offer Roos whatever it takes…I’d even like to see Ratten at the helm….he had no chance when carlton coach. Am I being silly ??
    What I will be doing is asking some questions at the AGM.

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      1. He’s referring to Essendon’s longest period without a premiership and assuming they don’t win it next year it will be the 1st time they have had a drought equal to/in excess of 20 years.

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        1. Correct Adam. For a club that has the financial, corporate, and membership strength of Essendon, and the equal of any facilities in the AFL, and even allowing for the ASADA period debacle (and still not one positive drug test, not even when Dank was there), their performance over a long period is a joke.

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          1. Yeah. It’s ridiculous, Wighty.

            Everyone in my extended family (besides my old man and I; Eagles) goes for Essendon, so I feel your pain.

            I can’t really speak to the whole ASADA thing or any structural issues, but just on footy fundamentals the Dons are screwed.

            First off, luck factors into your wins WAAAAAY too often. Can’t always rely on some trademark Tippa magic, a late Hooker mark or Stringer bursting out of the center to win you games. As epic as it is to watch, it’s not sustainable.

            There are wins through talent and wins through system. The best teams win through a combination of both, but primarily it rests on an easily identifiable system. Eg. Richmond’s surge, forcing turnovers & handball passages, West Coast’s marking and kick-to-kick game or Collingwood trapping at the stoppage and defensive rebound.

            The other issue is pressure. I remember a great graphic from an episode of FoxFooty’s “On The Couch” around a month ago which showed that when the Dons apply “x” amount of the pressure they win and when the don’t they lose spectacularly.

            What made it stand out was that the pressure rating was the only discernible statistical contrast between wins and losses. Highly anomalous and again unsustainable for an AFL club.

            Add to that, the list is quite poor.

            It’s unfortunate, Wighty. I have a soft spot for the Dons and want you guys to stop f*cking around and be competitive.

            Hopefully you cut Daniher lose, try to address those issues I laid out and give 2020 a red hot crack.

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            1. All true of course. Let Daniher go for two trade picks. Dons have traded ok over last two years but where is the game breaker ? Hird was the last one.

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  7. Think Melbourne would be on the list for the current longest drought ,56 years next year and that was from winning 6 in the 9 year’s prior. I think that stacks up with the ‘Leaving GCS aside’ comment. Seem to remember the Tigers and the Demons fighting for a bottom spot at the beginning of the decade, one side embarked on a plan to increase membership to number one and win 3 premierships by the end of that decade. It’s a friggen fair effort.

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    1. Thats true Joestar but I was referring specifically to Essendon. melbourne has at least won finals in the last 20 or so years.

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  8. Tim Kelly has declared he wants to continue his AFL career with West Coast, and has asked the Cats to complete a deal during the upcoming trade period.

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    1. We’re onto him, CT! F*ck yeah!

      He’s EXACTLY what we need: great contested work, elite ball use, inside speed and can hit the scoreboard.

      Now’s the perfect time to get him back to Perth as well, still young and a 5 year deal with an option pretty much makes him an Eagle for life.

      Great family orientated culture over at West Coast, more so than any other club; over half (14, if I remember correctly) of our of 22 are fathers. Culturally a good fit for him.

      Just hope Geelong and Freo don’t pull any bullsh*t so we can get this done.

      Woohoo!

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    1. We’ve got picks 14, 24, 33 and 61, the ability to trade future picks and Jarrod Brander. Personally, I think picks 14, 24 and a future 2nd round pick should get it done- that’s what they’re saying on Trade Radio and in The Age. Bear in mind he is out of contract and has requested the trade to us.

      Geelong, however, are burying their heads in the sand by insisting on 2 first round picks – which we don’t have.

      Consider Danger went to Geelong at the end of 2015 for picks 9, 28 and Dean Gore (who is yet to play at AFL level).

      We’ll see what happens. Hoping it gets done.

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      1. As always in these early stages, clubs are way apart in what they are willing to trade/accept. I think at least one top ten trade for Kelly…..what would Eagles ask for if it was Gaff/Yeo/Shuey ???

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  9. There are so many elements to this story, obviously he and family want to go home and geelong need to get something in return. In the old days clubs would say they have to do best for themselves and supporters but with player welfare so important these days you would hope a suitable deal can be made. The other element which i have no knowledge of is that eagles or freo could have had him for virtually nothing in the previous 3 or 4 seasons and i often wonder how he slipped through.

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  10. Joe Daniher can fark off. Hurls, Hooks, stood by the club in its darkest hour. Daniher has played 11 games in two years and been paid handsomely. Uncle Terry is not impressed. I would give him away for nothing…show him what he is really thought of.

    However, a swap for Heeney might change my mind….LOL

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    1. COMPLETELY agree, Wighty. Glad to see an Essendon supporter admitting he’s a dud.

      For me the most telling him moment was when he was having a mare of a game (missing goals, targets, etc.) and Brendon Goddard gave him a dose, and he just laughed it off- that’s corrosive for a football club’s culture.

      Essendon have done themselves a favor.

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      1. And ending up with Mason Cox would not be the worse thing. Bellcho looks cooked and Cox would get a good run at it at essendon, and snag a goal or two.

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  11. ADAM Tomlinson To Melbourne (four year contract) for an end of second round compensation pick , currently No.40

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  12. Tim Kelly trade to West Coast should be completed tomorrow with Geelong to receive : Picks 14, 24 and 2020 1st Round.

    Please just sign the deal.

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    1. YES!! Deal Done.
      West Coast Receive: Tim Kelly, Picks 57 & 2020 3rd Rd Geelong Receive: Picks 14, 24, 37 & 2020 1st Rd Essendon involved in this deal, the Bombers moved picks 37 & 52 for 33 & 57

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        1. “Give us the flag”? What?

          Cmon, Wighty. You have to look at these things objectively.

          Shouldn’t have even played finals this year. Got belted be 100 points a few weeks prior and then sent on your way after a thumping in Perth.

          Dons have structural, cultural and list issues.

          Address those before you start thinking of flags.

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            1. Ah, sorry lol. Didn’t detect any sarcasm there- and let’s be honest, you do secretly think the Dons are flag favourites!

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  13. Loving the banter in this trade period, I love the way they try to make something out of nothing to keep to the news cycle. Kelly will be great for WCE, will he be great for SC, I think so, at the end of the trade period I’d like to see a vote on the most significant trade SC wise.

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    1. Yeah, Saints have been making some big moves- already got Ryder and Howard locked in. If they can get Jones and Hill done and hang on to one of Bruce and Steven, they’ll be among the winners along with West Coast, Brisbane and Hawthorn.

      For me, the big losers are Adelaide. Mass exodus, internal havoc, become the opposite of a destination club- expecting them to be bottom 4 next year.

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      1. Agree on crows. Worst capt in afl and what a joke that call to arms b4 the 2017 granny. That camp pre 2018 has set the club back years.

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  14. With new recruits daniher and smith, cutler a beast in the mids, oraaaaaaaaaazio locked and loaded, im thinking 1993 all over and a hail Mary unexpected bombers flag in 2020.
    And when we get the draft picks back after the true facts of the Disgraceful asada drugs fiasco, it might well be a dynasty

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  15. Sicily is likely to be a beneficiary with the Patton trade, should see him return to the mantle of a top 6 defender. Sauce might be handy at GWS depending on his price, would he be low 300k? Dougal Howard will see a fair bit of it, might challenge a top 8-10 position if in defence. Definitely on the look out for a decent F7/R3 next year, could Cameron make the grade?

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      1. After the godsend that ROB was this year, I definitely want an R3 who’s going to get some games and make some money. Will look for a loophole on a different line.

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        1. I’ll be lookin’ at R/F a bit closer this year too.
          ie 1 invisible rookie and the cheapest potential forward…Cameron maybe.

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  16. Ok….I know its Cup time, but SC never sleeps. Anyone even had a crack at a starting lineup for 2020. I have using As wonderful spreadsheet, and came up with this. I reckon there is 14 keepers. I have priced new rookies at an average of 120k, and others likw Williamson and Cameron at their indicated prices.

    DEF
    Rance, Doch, Williamson R*4

    MIDS
    Cripps, Neale, Macrae, Titch, Bont, Merrett, Pickett, R*3

    RUCKS
    Nank, Grundy,Cameron

    FWDS
    Heeney, Ziebell, Walters, Billings R*4

    Of course, dpp’s and position changes need to be considered. Bank is 28.7k. One of the rookies from WCE or Freo which have most late games, will be permanent v loop.

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        1. Dreaming. Having a ruck like ROB (start cheap, score well, and gain $ like a mid) are rare – may happen every 5-6 years, not every year.

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  17. A very enticing on-field structure but don’t know if I would be game enough to execute it:

    Def: R Laird, J Sicily, S Docherty, T Doedee, D Roberton, rookie
    Mid: J Macrae, N Fyfe, J Kelly, C Oliver, T Mitchell, C Ward, M Rowell, M Pickett
    Ruck: B Grundy, M Gawn
    Fwd: S Menegola, C Wingard, D Smith, A Bonar, I Rankine, M King

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    1. Ooo, ballsy. Either you’re cooked after R1 or you’re flying lol.

      Like the Doedee pick, AS and I have been on him for a while. Does Keath’s departure change his role though? Maybe it frees up Laire more than him?

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  18. I read that Andrew MCGRATH has been told to expect significantly more ‘inside’ minutes with the arrival of Cutler. Given he should still be afforded DEF/MID status, it may finally be time to jump on board?!
    #2020Vision

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  19. Fixtures drop this Thursday. Hoping the Eagles have an easy run and the byes don’t throw a wrench in my starting premo plans; eg. no Gawn and Grundy same bye.

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    1. I think it may all depend on whether the player’s medical insurance company gets in the minds (again) of the league departments and insists on the umpires going easier on players coming back from injuries and the newbies (rookies) when paying frees so they are less likely to be making compo claims. (Getting hurt.) LOL Pre season will be interesting.

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  20. 2020 fixture has just come in and guess who is sharing the same bye again…. It’s Gawn and Grundy!!!! Going to need my ROB again at this stage

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    1. This requires a royal commission.
      Seriously, I suspect it somehow it has something to do with the queens birthday round.

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  21. 2020 Byes

    R12: Lions, Dons, Cats, Port, Saints & Eagles

    R13: Blues, Pies, Freo, Dees, Tigers & Swans

    R14; Crows, Suns, Giants, Hawks, North & Dogs

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    1. One of the lessons I learned from last year was not to let the byes worry you re Gawndy. I started with vardy after his great finals series in 2018 as r2…fortunately swapped him to ROB, but still had to wait till R22 to get Grundy…two trades right there.
      So, I’m starting the duo this year, and will plan to have hopefully 18-20 available for R13 from the 27 other players available other than rucks. The search will be on for a r/f duo. Paddy Ryder might get a start as f6 depending on price and dpp, and a dud r/f from either freo, north, or saints as r3 and c loop.
      Gotta love SC…it never stops !!!

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  22. Just for something different…..why do players no longer wear long socks? Looking at some classic games on fox and they look so good.

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  23. Looking at the c loop, North look the best option with 11 Sunday games, and if you include Saturday nights, that goes out to 14. Next best are Stkilda and Freo. Worst is Pies and tigers….surprise surprise.

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  24. The Dogs play two teams with strong taggers twice, North and GWS.

    Is that scaring anyone else off Bont?

    They have them back to back round 3 and 4. Then giants again in round 13 and roos in round 21.

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      1. Nah, Wighty. Only going to be discounted down to 305k, courtesy of AS’ spreadsheet. Such an awkward price, don’t know if he’ll be back to his 2018 form and his scoring fluctuates pretty heavily – that’s a no from me.

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  25. Draft 1 of my team, with the players byes next to the main guys…
    cause it’s never to early for supercoach

    Lloyd 13, Laird 14, Steward 12,
    Doodee, Rookie, Rookie

    Macrae 14, Mitch 14, Taranto 14,
    Duncan 12, Ward 14, Andrew Brayshaw 13,
    Picket, Ling

    Gawn 13, Grundy 13, R/F loophole

    Heeney 13, Lycett 12, Dangerfield 12,
    Rankine, Bonar, Cavarra

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    1. No Docherty?! Looks good GP, but not sure Danger or Lycett will be afforded FWD status in 2020 sadly. If they are, I’ll be jumping on both too.
      Also like the Brayshaw (FRE) pick. Have you seen the size of him? May have inhaled a vat of protein powder since early September I reckon.

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      1. Brayshaw said he put on 5 kilos. That’s two vats of protein powder 😛

        I don’t like the injury risk of Dochs.

        As an aside he was a guest commentator on the radio with Mick Malthouse, the dude has serious footy smarts.

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        1. Anyone sounds smart next to Malthouse 😉

          I get your SC thoughts on him. Let’s see how he’s looking after pre-season and the JLT or whatever it’s called next year

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          1. Yeah, also have some ambivalence towards Brayshaw. Listened to the hype and shilled out the extra cash only for him to dissapoint in his debut year. That said, Langdon and Hill’s departure should give him some more inside time.

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  26. Something many coaches do not want to hear, but Tom Mitchell declaring he is uncertain about a round 1 start next season. A long way away, but will be adding many thoughts to coaches team plans as preseason progresses

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  27. We need some contentious issues to discuss in separate blogs.
    To start, how about we pick who is the biggest spud in the team we support. Being a bomber…I nominate Laverde.

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      1. I would nominate Garthwaite and Markov as potential spuds. They’d want to show something this year.

        Important year for Collier-Dawkins too but I’m more hopeful on him after his Grand Final.

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    1. Yeah, hard to even speculate. Will need up to date info on his training regime and health before we even consider him. Pre-season matches will be telling.

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      1. Thanks. I was thinking pretty much the same, but I thought (expected) AS would know all that already. LOL
        Hmmm, decisions, decisions……..

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  28. Apparently in this years draft there’s a big drop off after Rowel and Anderson.

    I’m curious where Hadyen Young ends up, as he is meant to be a brilliant kick so might end up being someone his team mates look for.

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      1. That’s a great question, Rowell gets compared to Walsh alot, where Anderson kinda drifts along in his shadow.

        With GC having the round 14 bye I’m liking the idea of those two and Rankine, and keeping them through the first 2 bye rounds.

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  29. So, how much time are people putting into SC at this time of year ?I was playing golf today but the weather got he better of me. So what to do ?
    I started looking at the defs with a view to good players that if they played 20 games in 2020, and played to their known potential, would be great value.
    Would these be out place in any backline…prices at 2019 closing.
    Hurley 340.0, Blakely 353.8, Witherden 358.1, Salem 399.7, Crisp 417.5 McGrath 337.5. Throw in 2 rookies at 120k and that line is finished at a total of 2406.6k. Of course, no guarantee on 2020 starting prices.

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    1. I spend too much time thinking about it on my drive to work 😛

      On a similar line of thought, I was thinking are defenders price less volatile because they tend not to get tagged so are you better off starting 4-6 high price ones.

      Then pick up cheaper forwards and mids when they drop.

      I do like your idea of ‘money balling’ the entire back-line and focusing on the other lines with trades.

      I was reading some early stuff on rookies and their seemed to be alot of mid/forwards this year which might make that idea more feasible this year.

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  30. “We’re really excited about Harley (Bennell).. we want to give him that opportunity to train with us.. it might take time to get his calf right & not be ready for Round 1” Simon Goodwin via @1116sen

    If anyone was thinking about placing Bennell in their team

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  31. Coniglio has been given full captaincy of GWS for next season. Does this cause questions for next season and how he performs? Or is it just a deterrent to make him more of a POD?

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  32. For those who haven’t seen this yet … there are a few surprises in the positional changes for SC in 2020. But, five of last year’s top6 FWDs have lost their FWD status. The silver linings are Whitfield and Dusty gaining MID/FWD status.

    Enjoy 😉

    SUPERCOACH AFL 2020 POSITIONS

    GAINED DPP
    Dustin Martin (Rich) Fwd/Mid
    Lachie Whitfield (GWS) Fwd/Mid
    Hugh Greenwood (GC) Fwd/Mid
    Darcy Cameron (Coll) Ruck/Fwd
    Brandan Parfitt (Geel) Fwd/Mid
    Jack Steven (Geel) Fwd/Mid
    Nathan Jones (Melb) Def/Mid
    Levi Casboult (Carl) Def/Fwd
    Sam Petrevski-Seton (Carl) Def/Mid
    Bayley Fristch (Melb) Def/Fwd
    Braydon Preuss (Melb) Ruck/Fwd
    Jack Ziebell (NM) Fwd/Mid
    Paul Ahern (NM) Def/Mid
    Noah Balta (Rich) Ruck/Fwd
    Jade Gresham (StK) Fwd/Mid
    Paddy Ryder (StK) Ruck/Fwd
    Jordan Dawson (Syd) Def/Fwd

    LOST DPP
    Patrick Dangerfield (Geel) Mid
    Josh Dunkley (WB) Mid
    Tim Kelly (Geel) Mid
    Travis Boak (Port) Mid
    Rowan Marshall (StK) Ruck
    Scott Lycett (Port) Ruck
    Jack Billings (StK) Mid
    Mitch Robinson (Bris) Mid
    Andrew McGrath (Ess) Mid
    Will Setterfield (Carl) Mid
    Darcy Moore (Coll) Def
    David Mundy (Frem) Mid
    Rory Lobb (Frem) Ruck
    Sam Menegola (Geel) Mid
    James Worpel (Haw) Mid

    RETAINED DPP
    Michael Walters (Frem) Fwd/Mid
    Isaac Heeney (Syd) Fwd/Mid
    Wayne Milera (Adel) Def/Mid
    Devon Smith (Ess) Fwd/Mid
    Chad Wingard (Haw) Fwd/Mid
    Robbie Gray (Port) Fwd/Mid
    Aiden Bonar (NM) Fwd/Mid

    NEW FACES
    Matthew Rowell (GC) Mid
    Tom Green (GWS) Mid
    Joshua Worrell (Adel) Def/Fwd
    Deven Robertson (Bris) Mid
    Brodie Kemp (Carl) Mid
    Trent Bianco (Coll) Def/Mid
    Mitch Hibberd (Ess) Mid
    Finn Maginness (Haw) Mid
    Kysaiah Pickett (Melb) Fwd
    Will Gould (Syd) DEF

    NEW POSITIONS
    Michael Gibbons (Carl) Fwd (was Mid)
    Liam Stocker (Carl) Def (was Mid)
    Darcy Fort (Geel) Fwd (was Ruck)
    Jeremy Finlayson (GWS) Fwd (was Def)
    Justin Westhoff (Port) Fwd/Mid (was Ruck/Fwd)
    Shane Edwards (Rich) Def/Mid (was Fwd/Mid)
    Aaron Naughton (WB) Fwd (was Def)
    Caleb Daniel (WB) Def (was Fwd)

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      1. I think Menegola would have been a trap. Jack STEVEN on the other hand … I’m looking forward to seeing what role he gets in JLT.

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        1. They had Menegola in defence for a game last season, so could well get a bad role for supercoach.

          Steven is definitely a ‘watch list’ player.
          I’m leaning towards Parfitt at the moment.

          Kelly is gone and Duncan is looking like a late starter, so someone at Geelong is getting more midfiled time.

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          1. Parfitt already spent large chunks of time in the middle. He will be the main person to benefit from TK leaving. IF he wants it. He needs to improve alot this season.

            Steven also should spend large time in the centre if his fitness levels get up to scratch. Id prefer him to Parfitt but big wait and see.

            I would also expect Narkle and Atkins to get more centre bounces and midfield attendance this season too. Surprisingly Duncan rarely started centre bounces it seemed with him lining up on a wing / half back most of the season.

            Menegola is just eh in general. Wouldn’t have touched him even if retained FWD status.

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    1. As Bob Dyer once said on pick a box….”quite frankly I’m amazed”. That was in response to Barry Jones I think it was, giving a great oration to go with an answer about past Indian rulers.
      Just brilliant As.

      Potential locks for me out of this are all fwds….Smith, Gresham, Wingard, Whitfield, Dawson, Ziebell. Throw in 2 $120k rookies and the 8 fwds are locked at $376k average. Planning to go light on with defs to start.

      Now, how many of these guys will be in my team at the start ??? A rhetorical question only.

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      1. Gresham and Ziebel are two of the main beneficiaries from coaches being sacked in 2019. Both appear unders for 2020. Billings’ output on the other hand, dropped by more than 10% following Richo’s demise.
        The three big winners were Seb ROSS, Ed CURNOW and Paul AHERN (playing a new role off HB and who now has DEF status). More detailed analysis to follow on this and other subjects.

        Dunno about everyone else, but I think it might be time for some serious planning. The off-season is way too long in my book. Quite frankly, I’ve had enough 🙂

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        1. As…what do you mean “it might be time for some serious planning”. Surely you have started. Reckon I’m up to 50 hrs already thanks to your 2020 spreadsheet a while back !!

          I’d like to see some preliminary sides but they would need to include two un-named rookies at say $180k e.g. Rowell, and the rest of the rookies at an average of say $125k, and your price projections for the others

          I’ll post one shortly….my golf partner cancelled on me today !!!

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          1. Is this the first genuine attempt at publishing a team…

            Doch, Rance, Lloyd, Laird, Williamson r*3*12ok

            Ward, Macrae, Cripps, Merrett, Yeo, Pickett, R West, Rowell, r*3*120k

            Gawn, Grundy, Rookie…hopefully a dud north r/f for c loop

            D Smith, Dusty, Gresham, Wingard, r*2*120k, r*1*180k

            Cash 36.6

            Could be 15 keepers. A few risks with injured stars ward, doch, rance returning, but not liking titch for a r1 start.

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            1. I like it.
              Riskes are well worth taking in supercoach.

              Liking the Merret, Gresham, R. West picks.

              You’ve got 7 keepers for the round 13 bye by my count, is the only thing.

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                1. I still have flashbacks to crashing and burning in round 13 last year so I’m probably overly paranoid.

                  You’re not tempted by Darcy Cameron at R3?

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  33. Steven to take over from Kelly??? I reckon a big chance, an’ with Dusty an’ Whitfield, WOO HOO, I’m excited, can you tell?

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    1. Yep! Me too.
      Take LOCK-ies two injury-effected scores out and he averaged 119.8, but his brittle bones do concern me. There’s both that and HULC to worry about, but if he has a full pre-season can we afford to not start him? Probably not.
      Personally I won’t be starting Dusty, given that he himself doesn’t tend to start until things get more serious. Just think he’ll be cheaper (fallen premium) down the track.

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      1. As…I’m starting Dusty. I think it was you that said a trade is worth $120k odd which means to not start Dusty, you would want to pick him up at about $420k which is a three round average of about 76, not to mention the right time to do the trade given all other permutations we deal with weekly. LOCK !!

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        1. That’s fair enough, and while the cost of a trade is around $130k, this is assuming all other things being equal. But of course, they are not!
          I’ll be writing more about this over the next month or so when all will hopefully become much clearer. I’m considering taking a more radical approach in 2020 based on some of my findings. It’s both bold and a little risky, but is aimed at being right up there in the early rounds, then trying to maintain it.
          That may change, but with most of the positional changes now known, I’m still very happy to not have him in my current starting line-up.

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  34. I read on HS’ site earlier this week that there are a couple of other DPPs not mentioned in the above list:
    Andrew BRAYSHAW, FRE, MID/FWD and
    Jonathan PATTON, HAW, RUC/FWD

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  35. With the new DPP’s will anyone entertain a potential mid price starting side assuming the below fits within the starting salary cap.

    Def: J Sicily, J Dawson, S Docherty, T Doedee, D Roberton, W Gould
    Mid: J Macrae, N Fyfe, J Kelly, P Dangerfield, T Mitchell, C Ward, M Rowell, M Pickett
    Ruck: B Grundy, N Naitunai
    Fwd: H Greenwood, C Wingard, L Franklin, D Smith, J Steven, I Rankine

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    1. There does seem to be a lot of solid mid pricers coming back from injury this year. Unless there’s mass carnage, you could just down trade to rookies for the ones that don’t fire before the price change..

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    2. Adam, I took a look at your team using AS sheet with predicted prices for next year. As we know, at this time of year its all about throwing ideas in the air, but I note that your starting 22…

      Totals $9110.3 leaving an average of $111k for the remaining 8 rookies. I have included Rowell at $180k and Gould at $120k

      Has 14 players who totalled 44 games last year (if you include J Kelly and his 14, and Buddy with his 10…the other 12 totalled 20 games), but the inclusion of Rowell is included in these 14.

      Just looks to be a high risk/reward strategy at this early stage, and I’m sure will be revised as time goes by.

      As an aside, I had Doch, Rance, Ward, Williamson and Smith in my first draft, so get where you are coming from.

      Cheers.

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    3. Rucks Set & Forget. If Nic Nat gets injured or gets rested how do you replace whom do replace Draper?.Then it’s season over. Way to heavy in the FWD line. Good Luck.

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  36. Seems like a pending format for the SCT fixed starting team league.
    All mid prices and no DPPs (except maybe bench rookies). Torture anyone?

    TU Maybe…..if there is an incentive
    TD Nah………got enough to worry about without having the possibility of starting with Rockliff in my team

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  37. Not one bomber in the top 50 players of the last decade according to the article in todays Hun.
    Outrageous….surely Zac Clarke gets a run as a ruck bench !!

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  38. There are a few pieces in the pipeline, but am waiting for SC GOLD to launch to add specifics to a few pieces. Not long now Wighty 😉

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    1. You are a legend !!!
      Should I see my doctor……my family think I have an obsession with SC…..that couldn’t possibly be right !!!! They think I need help.
      LOL

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  39. Been thinking….do we all like the anonymity of the site, or should we have a pre-season gathering to discuss all the important upcoming things in the universe, ( not climate change….SC !!) and an end of season where we can all cry on each other’s shoulders about where we went wrong…HULC (or any other coach for that last minute Sunday afternoon omission) etc…
    At a gathering we could all just have our SC names as identifiers.
    If enough interest, I could get us a private area in an inner suburban pub.

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    1. So wighty , why do your family feel you are obsessed with sc??. You don’t seem any more possessed than a few thousand of us.

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      1. Yeah, but you only get to see my online involvements. Are you suggesting there may be 1000’s of families that also feel one of their members is obsessed…..I think that would make it an epidemic !!

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        1. how many hours a week are we talking?
          do we need to hold an intervention? 😛

          I’ve ran out of things to research at the moment :S

          I’ve got a list of rookies ranked… so gone a bit early on that

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          1. I am locked with Gawndy, but the rest are up for grabs. I have long list of cheap/fallen players in other positions which will be monitored over pre-season, as it looks like there will be plenty of bargains there as the great As has identified.

            By line, my eye is on

            Hurley 340k, Witherden 358, Birchall 252, Salem 399, Crisp 417

            Libba 327, Zaharakis 327, Beams 414, Jwood 408, Ward 398

            Rucks are set

            D Smith 364, R Gray 389, Rayner 216, Fisher 240, Petracca 442, Wingard 416

            My grandson might just put in a team starting these and filling the gaps.

            Cricket and golf for five days…..SC might get a break.

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            1. Where are you getting these prices from? Is there somewhere online with a fanplanner or something?

              The ones that peak my interest here are
              Hurley, Witherden, Ward & Smith and possibly Rayner.

              What sort of price will Jack Steven come on at?

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              1. Unsure where Wighty gathered the prices from but several are incorrect as he’s using the ending price from last season instead of the season avg.

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  40. Name your Ultimate Team line ups for the 2020 season boys here’s mine. I didn’t worry about potential scoring just structure, who would you take out and who would be there replacements?

    FB – Laird, Rance, Sicily

    HB – Lloyd, McGovern, Williams

    C – Mitchell, Macrae, Danger

    FOLLOWERS – Grundy, Cripps, Fyfe

    HF – Walters, Dustin Martin, Whitfield

    F – De Goey, J. Cameron, C.Cameron

    SUBS – Docherty, Dunkley, Bontempelli ,Marshall

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  41. DEF Houston Blakley Docherty Rance Robertson Young Res: Rivers Gould
    MID Neale Trelor Gaff Ross Mitchell Hannerbury Rowell Pickett
    Res:Robertson Rantell Hibbard
    RUCK G&G. Res loophole
    FWD Whitfield Zeiball Smith Rankine Mc Henry Frampton Res: Cahill Mahoney

    Off seasons way to LONG.

    Comments welcome .

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    1. Definitely like your rookie picks. all those guys are on my radar. Rantell is an interesting prospect.

      Frampton or Cameron at the moment looks like the best ruck/forward swing option.

      What made you pick Ross? that’s the only pick that really raised an eyebrow?

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      1. Look at his stats last five weeks of 2019. I am hoping he can continue. Looking Avg 105+ whit in his capabilities. Will have low ownership and nicely priced.

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          1. Surprised coaches are still enticed by S Ross. Heavily dependent on amassing a large amount of the ball and maneged 30 disposals a game in 2018 for a 103 av and doesn’t register sufficient contested possessions to be a worthwhile selection.

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      2. Frampton will be too expensive for r3, no?
        Besides, not sure there is any decent enough premium r/f you could slot in at f6 to swing with. Think I’ll just go with a 102k fodder

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        1. At R3 I’m either going with Sweet from the dogs, in case English misses a few games. I dont’ think they have anyone else on their list that can ruck at the moment.

          Or Darcy Cameron

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  42. So what do we want for Christmas ??? I’d love to see SC started but know that wont happen, so I’ll say 30 fit Bombers to start the NYE. I’m starting to have grave concerns about my boys.

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    1. Last I heard the bombers only had 21 fit people training… which is obviously not good.

      I’d like Jack Higgins to make a full return to football.

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  43. Who else was playing mid. and running forward when Ross was in the receivers role? Hannerbery? ……Steele?…….
    We used to think Neale was like that before he went to Brisbane, and he proved us wrong.
    AS, can you please sort out this confusing dilemma.

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    1. Hannebery, Steven, Gresham and Billings since Ratts took over. Plenty of rotations. Will be watching (and listening) as we head towards March.
      As it currently stands he’s on the ‘Watchlist’ for me until we know more about Zak Jones’ and Hunter Clark’s roles in 2020.
      It does look different to his 2018 spike tho’. Some key stats like DE, intercepts, goal assists and goals are noticeably up since Ratts took the reins, with little change in CPs and disps.
      Ross, Gresham and Clark have all had significant SC upside since Ratts took over. More analysis on this as well as NTH (Shaw) & CAR (Teague) to come over the coming weeks.

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        1. Personally I think NTH will be bolters. Their form, results and %age under Shaw are almost Top4 standard. With another pre-season under him, who knows … do like our picks though 😉
          Bookies have ESS 12th and STK 13th, HAW 8th and NTH just missing, 9th.
          Fixture analysis to follow soon too!

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  44. David Mundy has a fractured fibula. Unknown when he will resume training as unable to weight bear for another four weeks. This could give an opportunity for a youngster in the mids in the early rounds. Andrew Brayshaw could gain increased midfield time?

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        1. I’ve done 5 version of my team already and Rozee was at F3 in the first 4. So, needless to say I would like to pick him, however…

          Comments from Hinkley and Rozee don’t fill me with confidence he will be playing ALOT more midfield, Houston seems to be the choosen one for ‘more midfield time’.

          And Rozee has never averaged more that 16 possesions per game as far as I have researched against decent comp (links below)

          https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pc-port-adelaide-power–connor-rozee
          https://afl.draftcentral.com.au/player/connor-rozee/
          https://sanfl.com.au/league/clubs/port-adelaide/1001299/?league=sanfl&season=2018

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          1. He reminds me so much of the Bont if not maybe more mercurial, SC just hurt him that he’s such a good forward & Port need him there.

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    1. I’m not a fan of 2nd year players and I’m gonna steer clear of any potential breakouts next year.
      I’m going for a no (or limited) risk strategy next year. Only gun premiums and I’ll get my value from fallen premiums (NicNat, Steven, Smith etc)

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    2. 2nd year Breakouts.

      Sam Walsh,Tarrym Thomas, Connor Rozze. Xavier Duursma, Chayse Jones.

      These are the lads on my radar for the preseason.

      But feeling says Rozze could have a ripper year.

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      1. Looking at 2nd year players is not normally that fruitful, but last year’s decent crop of rookies were that good …if Chayce JONES looks to be playing up the ground, with a 20% discount (5games in 2019), he might be worth a look. I also think Connor ROZEE could be a decent pick, but again, will need to be getting decent MID minutes in the JLT to even consider him. The others are a likely ‘no’ for me, but we will see. Apparently they’re all ‘burning up the track’ but isn’t everyone at this time of year?!

        On top of Rowell and Gould, I think there’ll be enough fresh rookies and those who didn’t get a game last year for various reasons (eg RANKINE) that we shouldn’t need to go there. Can’t beat cheap rookies who average 60 on your bench from the start. For me, it’s just too early to speculate on these types.

        I’m concentrating on absolute PREMO’s and ranking them by position, then doing the same with discounted (injury-effected in 2019) players and finally potential breakouts and/or players whose circumstances have changed for the positive/negative (eg new club/role/coach, injuries/retirements etc.).

        Personally, I reckon it’d be prudent to focus on that stuff for now.

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  45. good news for those who started planning using my 2020 price guide. From the glimpse that Phantom just posted on The Twitter, our predicted prices are 0.19% overs. That means you should have an extra $10k to spend 😉
    Jordan DAWSON is shown to be priced at $467 800 in 2020, rather than our predicted $468 700. That’s a $900 saving!!

    #saddo #statsnut #can’twait

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    1. Should be a great selection as he is not dependent on amassing a large amount of the ball evident by only 1 game above 30 disposals and 2 in excess of 25. Displays a tendency to kick rather than handball, efficient by foot as well as registering solid tackle numbers which all bode well for his SC potential.

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  46. Any interest in a league where the top ranked players on each line can’t be chosen at any point ?? Would really make us think. Would have to come up with some guidelines, or just nominate players that cant be chosen…e.g.

    Lloyd, Sicily, Williams
    Danger Fyfe, Macrae
    Grawn
    Heeney, Walters, Whitfield

    I’m bored.

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  47. Wonder if we should have a generic SC general discussion chat? This AFL chat has currently got to the stage of being way to long.

    Was doing some thinking the other day; regarding how do you win SuperCoach;

    1. Nail your starting premo’s
    – picking Neale over Oliver early last year a great example, similar price and same bye, one started the year on fire while the other struggled a little. The overall average come the end of the year doesn’t seem too to big a difference but really, that early season form is a huge boost to your early rankings, and I think this game is very difficult to catch up in.

    2. Rookies, rookies & rookies
    – the most frustrating part of the game. And has led me to consider a somewhat radical approach this year. While having the right rookies for cash generation is of the outmost importance. Every year I feel we waste trades on rookies that were never going to be high scorers.

    Last year I had;

    Hore, Clark, Scrimshaw
    (Wilkie, Burgess)

    Walsh, Constable, Butters
    (Duursma, Atkins, Scott)

    Drew, Setterfield
    (Parker, Miers)

    So,

    Burgess $123.9k
    – sold for +$48,100

    Scott $117.3
    – sold for +$55,500
    – on the bench for that ton

    Parker $117.3k
    – sold for +$98,600
    – think I got his second 80

    Cost me 3 trades for a whopping $202,200 profit. Worth it?

    Instead I could have gone with 3 bargain basement loopholes (bringing my actual profits to $143,700)

    Used the loopholes to try and get the best rookie scores each week.

    Again, early points lead to SC success.

    Food for thought, very interested to know if even with 3 extra trades, if I had ran into trouble later in the season without that extra $150k. Maybe I would have struggled to bring in a ROB or the like.

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  48. Like the idea of a generic SC chat.

    Re your two points.

    1. Nailing the premos early is probably the most important thing. You can always do an early corrective trade or two re the missed rookies. Trouble is, with probably 20sound mids to chose from, its a bit of a lottery after say Macrae, Fyfe, Neale. This is also why for me Grawn is locked…chased my butt to r21 to get Grundy in last year. Mind you ROB did ok in the interim.

    2. Your idea is something I have been playing with for the early rounds. Its likely that we will have 2-3 rookies on each line, and its unlikely that all will fire. So having a rookie for a loop on each line makes a lot of sense, and effectively makes 25 players available in the early rds….one loop each line except rucks. This will reduce in effectiveness as the cows mature, but there are generally plenty of downgrade targets up to about round 10. The trick is looking at the draw, getting the right non performers as loopholes, and onfield rookies in right game times.
    The upside is that if these three loops are only $102k each, that leaves cash for elsewhere.
    Love feedback from others on this..great thread.

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  49. Love your work Matt W. Lots of effort and research gone into this with no doubt a spreadsheet aswell! Something tells me you would be great at epl fantasy…but rubbish at BBL Supercoach!

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  50. Righto! Hope everyone had a good chrissy and new years, but now its time to get back into it! Like my great great grandpa always said, “3 months of prep means supercoach success”! So good luck everyone, we’re all gonna need it.

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  51. Hey guys.
    Anyone know the likely hood of, Brett bewely, Kyle dunkly or Riley west getting a decent amount of games this year?

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  52. Tossing up on m6 and looking at a left field pick…Jonathan Patton. Reasons….
    1. Nicely priced
    2. Dpp for swing into ruck for the r13 GG bye via Comden
    3. Hawks record with recycled players, especially the likes of Big Boy and Lake. They get em in for a specific role, not to be playing in the Maggoos.

    Thoughts ??

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  53. Interested to hear people’s thoughts on how Tim Kelly’s arrival might affect the outputs of both Gaff and Yeo, as well as how Kelly will perform within the Eagles engine room?

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    1. Personally see Kelly’s ave. improving 5-10+ again!
      Started pre-season early and is in great shape (isn’t everybody?!), will be much happier to be playing at home and will be extra determined to prove it to everyone at WCE.
      I’m not sure what impact his arrival will have on Yeo & Gaff, but know in myself that the uncertainty is too much for me to consider starting ANY of the three in Rd1.

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      1. I have got Yeo in my team atm, but was starting to consider replacing him with Kelly as like you said being home, he is where he wants to be so could translate into a jump in scoring. Will have to keep an eye on it.

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    2. Good point….it seems that the arrival of another gun mid effects someone…look at JWood last year, although father time might have something to do with it. I’m with AS below, but Kelly could be an upgrade later if he is killing it.

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  54. * INJURY NEWS *

    Jack STEVEN pinged a hammy at training today and will likely miss a couple of weeks (not too serious). GEE are confident he’ll play some part in the Marsh Series and be ready for Rd1.

    No more setbacks please Jack. I’m beginning to worry that you may be a ‘trap’.

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