Game Chat – Hawthorn v Adelaide

Written by Thommo on April 22 2016

Venue: MCG at 7:50pm

Last 5 times: 

2SF, 2015, Hawthorn 21.9 (135) d Adelaide 8.13 (61) at the MCG
R12, 2015 Hawthorn 17.12 (114) d Adelaide 12.13 (85) at Adelaide Oval
R17 2014, Hawthorn 15.14 (104) d Adelaide 14.8 (92) at Adelaide Oval
R6, 2013, Hawthorn 13.11 (89) d Adelaide 11.12 (78) at AAMI Stadium
1PF, 2012, Hawthorn 13.19 (97) d Adelaide 14.8 (92) at the MCG

Top SC scorers from last match (still playing):

  • Hawthorn: Breust 165, Hodge 139, Lewis 128
  • Adelaide: Jacobs 120, Laird 107, Thompson 102

Ins/Outs:

Hawthorn

  • In: Gibson, Hill
  • Out: Howe (Om.), Litherland (Om.)

Adelaide

  • In: Cameron
  • Out: Milera (Quad)

Game notes: I’m calling it: This is the match of the round!

After many of us predicted Adelaide to crash and burn after the departure of Dangerfield, they have instead gone to a new level under the direction of new coach, Don Pyke. They are on a 3 game winning streak, the midfield is getting the job done with less reliance on one player and the spine is stronger than ever. Add to that the new game plan involving rapid ball movement off of half-back and the Crows appear to be a top 4 contender.

On the other hand, Hawthorn are struggling to find their best form. The midfield is getting smashed in contested possessions and the forward line is dysfunctional in the absence of Roughead yet they too are on a 3 game winning streak. They have a habit of lifting their game at the MCG and they also have the wood over the Crows, having won the last 6 meetings, so they are not quite a write-off yet.

The last time they met at the MCG in the second Semi-final, the Hawks won by 74 points. Can the Crows earn some revenge or will the Hawks make it 7 straight?

THE SIX POINTS
1. The Hawks big guns were the difference when the sides last played in an MCG semi-final. Luke Bruest kicked a career-high six goals, Luke Hodge booted four, Sam Mitchell had 33 disposals while at the other end, Eddie Betts and Taylor Walker managed only one goal between them.

2. Adelaide is the No.1 centre clearance side so far in 2016, averaging 16.3 per game thanks to Sam Jacobs being ranked equal fourth in hit-outs. Hawthorn has struggled in centre clearances, ranked 15th.

3. Hawthorn has dominated Adelaide over a long period of time winning the past six matches and seven of the last eight. The Crows’ last win was in round one, 2011.

4. The Crows are the second-highest scoring team so far in 2016 averaging 121 points per game, while Hawthorn’s scoring has dropped off in 2016 averaging 91 points per game compared to 109 in 2015.

5. The Hawks are the number one tackling side in 2016 so far averaging 81.3 per game; the Crows are ranked 11th with 65 per game.

6. The Crows’ gun midfielder Rory Sloane is the sixth ranked player in the competition with 595.7 points according to the Schick AFL Player Ratings. 

Thommo’s tip:  Through my brown and gold spectacles, Hawks by 9!

While we do our best to update posts with end of quarter scores, we aren’t always online so if you have access to the scores and see they haven’t gone into the Comments section of this post, the Community would love it if you could help us out.

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  1. I am so undecided regarding this match. Just about everything this year so far says that Adelaide should win comfortably. However, it is at the MCG and is Burgoynes 300th.
    I have ended up tipping Hawthorn for no good reason except that they are Hawthorn and just seem to get the job done. Plus they like to put the new so called premiership contenders back in their place by beating up on them. Either way should be a crackerjack game.

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  2. With Petraca not making the final cut my captaincy options opened up so I’ve gone VC on GAJ and the C onto Ward, with my luck Betts will kick 8 and score 170!

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  3. QUARTER TIME

    Hawthorn 4.3.27 trailing Adelaide 7.1.43

    HAWTHORN:
    28 Paul Puopolo 37
    10 Bradley Hill 30
    33 Cyril Rioli 28
    26 Liam Shiels 25
    15 Luke Hodge 22
    5 Sam Mitchell 21
    23 Tim O’Brien 21
    16 Isaac Smith 20
    7 Ben McEvoy 18
    18 Jonathon Ceglar 18
    24 Ben Stratton 16
    14 Grant Birchall 14
    6 Josh Gibson 14
    12 James Frawley 13
    22 Luke Breust 13
    9 Shaun Burgoyne 13
    19 Jack Gunston 11
    3 Jordan Lewis 11
    21 James Sicily 10
    8 Taylor Duryea 8
    29 Will Langford 8
    4 Billy Hartung 5

    ADELAIDE:
    9 Rory Sloane 44
    18 Eddie Betts 36
    41 Mitch McGovern 28
    5 Scott Thompson 27
    31 Jarryd Lyons 23
    44 Matt Crouch 23
    26 Richard Douglas 23
    33 Brodie Smith 22
    16 Luke Brown 22
    24 Sam Jacobs 22
    29 Rory Laird 20
    13 Taylor Walker 19
    12 Daniel Talia 18
    11 Paul Seedsman 18
    23 Charlie Cameron 12
    6 Jake Lever 12
    25 Kyle Cheney 12
    4 Josh Jenkins 8
    14 David Mackay 6
    15 Kyle Hartigan 6
    21 Rory Atkins 6
    27 Tom Lynch 2

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        1. The crows have a lot of wingmen, will be interesting what happens to Lyons when Crouch returns as Lyons did come in to replace him.

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  4. The Crows move the ball beautifully. They’re going to smash the under-sized Hawks defenders if the Hawks can’t slow the ball down in the middle.

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  5. Sam Mitchell off the ground, got sandwiched by two Crows. Should be right to come back soon.
    If you can get to a TV set, this game is fantastic already. Great pressure…….

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  6. Cracker of a game!

    Hawthorn 10.5.65
    lead
    Adelaide 10.3.63

    Hawthorn
    28 Paul Puopolo 70
    33 Cyril Rioli 66
    18 Jonathon Ceglar 52
    26 Liam Shiels 51
    7 Ben McEvoy 46
    5 Sam Mitchell 45
    15 Luke Hodge 43
    9 Shaun Burgoyne 42
    10 Bradley Hill 37
    12 James Frawley 37
    21 James Sicily 34
    16 Isaac Smith 33
    19 Jack Gunston 33
    22 Luke Breust 33
    24 Ben Stratton 29
    14 Grant Birchall 24
    23 Tim O’Brien 23
    6 Josh Gibson 21
    3 Jordan Lewis 20
    29 Will Langford 20
    4 Billy Hartung 16
    8 Taylor Duryea 13

    Adelaide
    9 Rory Sloane 56
    33 Brodie Smith 51
    44 Matt Crouch 51
    5 Scott Thompson 49
    21 Rory Atkins 48
    26 Richard Douglas 47
    29 Rory Laird 44
    18 Eddie Betts 42
    11 Paul Seedsman 41
    24 Sam Jacobs 41
    4 Josh Jenkins 37
    16 Luke Brown 35
    41 Mitch McGovern 35
    13 Taylor Walker 35
    31 Jarryd Lyons 32
    15 Kyle Hartigan 32
    14 David Mackay 30
    12 Daniel Talia 29
    6 Jake Lever 25
    23 Charlie Cameron 20
    25 Kyle Cheney 18
    27 Tom Lynch 11

    I’m out, anyone feel free to take the reigns 🙂

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  7. What a awsome game! Definitely game of the round! Dear all other clubs (my eagles including) this is the level you need to be at to contend this year. This could easily be a grand final preview. And I don’t think many would be disappointed with it so far! Hoping tomorrow’s Swans v Eagles game is just like this. Btw chucked a $50 on Crows @$3.05 and have $5 on a multi hail merry including the crows paying $215 to every $1! What every team wins I’m just happy I can finally watch a great game. Oh and Dear Adelaide TAG RIOLI!

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  8. 3 Qtr Time

    Hawks78 vs Crows 90

    HAWKS
    33 Cyril Rioli 82
    28 Paul Puopolo 75
    26 Liam Shiels 71
    12 James Frawley 70
    18 Jonathon Ceglar 69
    9 Shaun Burgoyne 65
    21 James Sicily 61
    15 Luke Hodge 59
    16 Isaac Smith 55
    5 Sam Mitchell 55
    10 Bradley Hill 53
    22 Luke Breust 48
    7 Ben McEvoy 47
    24 Ben Stratton 42
    3 Jordan Lewis 42
    14 Grant Birchall 40
    23 Tim O’Brien 39
    29 Will Langford 39
    8 Taylor Duryea 36
    19 Jack Gunston 35
    6 Josh Gibson 33
    4 Billy Hartung 26

    CROWS
    9 Rory Sloane 83
    21 Rory Atkins 78
    5 Scott Thompson 77
    31 Jarryd Lyons 71
    44 Matt Crouch 71
    26 Richard Douglas 68
    41 Mitch McGovern 67
    33 Brodie Smith 66
    14 David Mackay 61
    29 Rory Laird 60
    24 Sam Jacobs 60
    12 Daniel Talia 59
    11 Paul Seedsman 58
    27 Tom Lynch 57
    16 Luke Brown 55
    13 Taylor Walker 47
    18 Eddie Betts 44
    4 Josh Jenkins 41
    15 Kyle Hartigan 38
    6 Jake Lever 36
    25 Kyle Cheney 34
    23 Charlie Cameron 30

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    1. Maybe mate, just too many free kicks in the third quarter for me. 16 in one quarter, 9-7 to Hawks, is ridiculous and ruined the flow of the game.

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  9. Thought Crows had it with 6 mins on the clock but those Hawks just keep coming. Puopolo played the game of his life, good on him!

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    1. Took the ball and stood there waiting to be tackled with prior opportunity and drops it.
      Should have been sloanes free , he kicks the winning goal making him my vc loophole captain .
      Not happy with the umpiring but this could be a slightly one eyed take on things.

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  10. FULL TIME

    Hawks 112 vs Crows 109

    HAWKS
    28 Paul Puopolo 146
    33 Cyril Rioli 109
    9 Shaun Burgoyne 94
    5 Sam Mitchell 90
    12 James Frawley 83
    26 Liam Shiels 81
    18 Jonathon Ceglar 80
    22 Luke Breust 78
    15 Luke Hodge 78
    16 Isaac Smith 75
    24 Ben Stratton 69
    21 James Sicily 66
    7 Ben McEvoy 63
    3 Jordan Lewis 58
    6 Josh Gibson 56
    14 Grant Birchall 53
    29 Will Langford 53
    10 Bradley Hill 51
    8 Taylor Duryea 51
    23 Tim O’Brien 51
    19 Jack Gunston 50
    4 Billy Hartung 40

    CROWS
    9 Rory Sloane 99
    21 Rory Atkins 98
    5 Scott Thompson 98
    31 Jarryd Lyons 92
    11 Paul Seedsman 89
    33 Brodie Smith 88
    14 David Mackay 87
    26 Richard Douglas 86
    44 Matt Crouch 83
    29 Rory Laird 79
    27 Tom Lynch 78
    16 Luke Brown 75
    12 Daniel Talia 74
    24 Sam Jacobs 73
    6 Jake Lever 71
    41 Mitch McGovern 71
    13 Taylor Walker 64
    18 Eddie Betts 54
    25 Kyle Cheney 51
    23 Charlie Cameron 50
    4 Josh Jenkins 50
    15 Kyle Hartigan 42

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  11. Even Hawks fans have to admit you get so many dodgy calls, great teams get them I guess, but that’s 8pts contributed by the umpires association to your season!!

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      1. Yes Catta,.
        Next day and I’m still hating.
        Always felt like hawthorn were in the contest and which ever team lost would have felt sore.
        It’s just I can barely remember the last time Adelaide won this match.

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  12. Hawks did unbelievably well to come back and win that one but gee they’ve had a couple of decisions (or non-decisions) in the dying minutes go their way in a few games.

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  13. 23-19 in favor of the Hawks. Wasn’t terribly one-sided, I was baffled with some decisions for both sides over the course of the game. As much as I hate to admit it, that’s in-the-back to Puopolo every day of the week. And holding the ball on Smith could’ve gone either way, he got the benefit of the doubt (not a Hawks or Crows fan btw). Looks like this whole Hawks & Umps discussion will last another week at least…….

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    1. Fair call Schwarzy agree with the final free kick being right. I’m no fan of either team as well just feels like the best team lost… BTW has anybody made more from less than Puopolo love seeing guys like this succeed. Bet all Hawks fans absolutely love the guy!!

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    1. Did in technical. Didn’t in main team, having pulled in Young to the mids last week.

      With Papley and McCarthy on the bench I’m already full of forward cash cows for now. Saving the trades to let the current ones fatten, went with Lonergan to DBJ instead.

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  14. Awesome game this one and Hawks do it again. Man they have played some amazing last quarters this season.

    Jacobs only gets 75 points in SC???! (again in the 70’s) he played well last night and had 40 hit outs, 17 possessions, 2 free kicks, 3 marks and 6 contested poss. Meanwhile Ceglar scores 77 on 15 poss, (9 cont) 16 hit outs, gave away two free kicks and kicked 1 goal. Why Jacobs score so low?? The 40 hitouts and 2 free’s are like 46 points just there. I know his disposal eff was lower than ceglars but man he deserved a bigger score (his DT was 96!)

    And yes I have him, and yes its killing me 🙂

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    1. I have him also and watched the game closely to see why he is scoring so badly and i have’nt got a clue. It says hitouts to advantage 5 pts and gather from a hitout 2 pts, he was hitting it to his team mates sometimes and they were getting caught but does he still get the 5 pts. Also missed 2 tackles in the 2nd quarter. I’ve had him in my side ever since i’ve been playing this game and if these new rules effect his scoring this bad i’ll have to look for a Blicavs type player next year.

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      1. Agree with the above. I diidn’t watch the stats too closely, but I thought Sauce played great. SC scores for last night seemed pretty low across the board, not sure why. Only Cyril and Puopolo hit 100 from memory, despite it being a really high quality game.

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Game Chat – Hawthorn v Adelaide

Written by Thommo on September 18 2015

The future path of both teams may hinge upon the outcome of this game. After West Coast tore the Hawks apart last week, many pundits suggested that the Hawks were done, but if they win today they are in to a fifth straight preliminary final, the dream of the Threepeat survives and they remain a force in the league. If they lose, the Hawks’ reign at the top is over and surely they will look to move on some older players and inject youth next season.

For the Crows, the fairytale continues for another week. Lose now and the year is a moderate success but the players will feel they have fallen short of their ultimate goal to honour Phil Walsh. Win and they are in to a preliminary final once again with a good chance to upset the Dockers who were less than impressive last week. More importantly, the talented Crows list will have the belief that they can match it with the best.

Last time

Hawthorn 17.12 (114) defeated Adelaide 12.13 (85) at Adelaide Oval in Round 12.

The teams met after their byes  fighting out an entertaining match where the Hawks lead for most of the first half, only for Adelaide to storm back in the third quarter and hit the front by 1 point. Hawthorn settled after three quarter time however the 29 point margin wasn’t a true reflection of how tight the contest was. Unfortunately the lingering talking point was Sam Mitchell’s knee to Tex Walker’s buttox rather than the quality of the football.

The Record

Hawthorn 5-0: Although most of their matches have been close, Hawthorn has won the past five matches against the Crows and the last three in Adelaide.

At Selection

Adelaide only made the one change, bringing Jarryd Lyons in for Rory Atkins (omitted).

Hawthorn replaces the injured Jack Gunston with Ryan Shoenmakers while Billy-bob Hartung comes in for the omitted Will Langford.

The Verdict

Tipping this game is a case of history versus form.

History favours Hawthorn who hasn’t lost to Adelaide in the last five outings, rarely loses two straight games and hasn’t gone out of finals in straight sets since 1977, but form favours Adelaide who have only lost one game in the past six and that was the dead rubber in Round 23 to Geelong.

Hawthorn’s form doesn’t appear terrible with only three losses in the second half of the year, but the fact is that the Hawks’ midfield has not looked threatening since losing to Richmond in Round 18. Coming up against the contested ball beasts of Adelaide, the Hawks had better sort out this deficiency or it will again be one way traffic into the Crows’ brilliant forward line, and curtains for Hawthorn.

I’m backing the Hawks  to bounce back (because I am massively biased).

Thommo’s tip: Hawthorn by 18 points.

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  1. NO LATE CHANGES

    FINAL INTERCHANGES
    Hawthorn: Matt Suckling, Ben McEvoy, Taylor Duryea
    Substitute: Billy Hartung
    Adelaide: Nathan Van Berlo, Riley Knight, Matt Crouch
    Substitute: Jarryd Lyons

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  2. So two months ago the Hawks were beating the Swans and Freo in consecutive weeks by a combined margin of 27 goals….
    Surely they’re not going to miss the prelim finals. Surely?

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  3. Interesting fact from Bruce……..Burgoyne playing his 29th final tonight. Only Gordon Coventry and Michael Tuck have played in more finals in AFL/VFL history

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  4. Qtr time

    This game ended quickly……

    HAWKS

    22 Luke Breust 51
    15 Luke Hodge 49
    3 Jordan Lewis 41
    9 Shaun Burgoyne 36
    14 Grant Birchall 32
    16 Isaac Smith 30
    12 James Frawley 25
    26 Liam Shiels 25
    10 Bradley Hill 22
    17 Brian Lake 22
    4 Matthew Suckling 21
    5 Sam Mitchell 21
    6 Josh Gibson 20
    33 Cyril Rioli 18
    8 Taylor Duryea 16
    24 Ben Stratton 14
    28 Paul Puopolo 13
    25 Ryan Schoenmakers 12
    2 Jarryd Roughead 11
    7 Ben McEvoy 10
    20 David Hale 3
    40 Billy Hartung 0 (S)

    ADELAIDE

    32 Patrick Dangerfield 39
    29 Rory Laird 26
    24 Sam Jacobs 25
    9 Rory Sloane 23
    4 Josh Jenkins 22
    25 Kyle Cheney 18
    26 Richard Douglas 18
    5 Scott Thompson 17
    44 Matt Crouch 16
    16 Luke Brown 15
    13 Taylor Walker 14
    7 Nathan Van Berlo 11
    23 Charlie Cameron 10
    12 Daniel Talia 10
    15 Kyle Hartigan 10
    39 Riley Knight 9
    27 Tom Lynch 9
    33 Brodie Smith 8
    45 Ricky Henderson 7
    14 David Mackay 5
    18 Eddie Betts 0
    31 Jarryd Lyons 0 (SUB)

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    HAWKS 72 vs ADELAIDE 27

    HAWKS
    22 Luke Breust 89
    15 Luke Hodge 84
    3 Jordan Lewis 65
    9 Shaun Burgoyne 63
    16 Isaac Smith 56
    5 Sam Mitchell 53
    14 Grant Birchall 51
    26 Liam Shiels 49
    8 Taylor Duryea 47
    6 Josh Gibson 42
    4 Matthew Suckling 42
    33 Cyril Rioli 41
    10 Bradley Hill 40
    17 Brian Lake 40
    25 Ryan Schoenmakers 40
    12 James Frawley 39
    2 Jarryd Roughead 31
    28 Paul Puopolo 30
    24 Ben Stratton 26
    7 Ben McEvoy 22
    20 David Hale 9
    40 Billy Hartung 0 (S)

    ADELAIDE

    32 Patrick Dangerfield 75
    29 Rory Laird 53
    5 Scott Thompson 47
    24 Sam Jacobs 46
    16 Luke Brown 40
    27 Tom Lynch 39
    4 Josh Jenkins 35
    25 Kyle Cheney 35
    9 Rory Sloane 35
    44 Matt Crouch 32
    26 Richard Douglas 32
    15 Kyle Hartigan 26
    45 Ricky Henderson 26
    13 Taylor Walker 22
    12 Daniel Talia 21
    23 Charlie Cameron 20
    33 Brodie Smith 18
    14 David Mackay 17
    39 Riley Knight 16
    7 Nathan Van Berlo 14
    18 Eddie Betts 9
    31 Jarryd Lyons 0 (S)

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  6. Was hoping for a good game tonight but the Friday night curse continues. I don’t think the crows have been bad just that the Hawks look pumped!

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    Crows have not shown up tonight. Too many turnovers going forward…….

    HAWKS
    22 Luke Breust 127
    15 Luke Hodge 118
    3 Jordan Lewis 94
    5 Sam Mitchell 86
    9 Shaun Burgoyne 77
    16 Isaac Smith 76
    26 Liam Shiels 74
    6 Josh Gibson 70
    14 Grant Birchall 69
    25 Ryan Schoenmakers 66
    8 Taylor Duryea 65
    33 Cyril Rioli 64
    10 Bradley Hill 59
    17 Brian Lake 58
    4 Matthew Suckling 58
    12 James Frawley 55
    2 Jarryd Roughead 53
    24 Ben Stratton 39
    7 Ben McEvoy 38
    28 Paul Puopolo 37
    20 David Hale 23
    40 Billy Hartung 0 (S)

    ADELAIDE

    32 Patrick Dangerfield 97
    29 Rory Laird 82
    24 Sam Jacobs 74
    5 Scott Thompson 73
    4 Josh Jenkins 57
    16 Luke Brown 56
    9 Rory Sloane 50
    27 Tom Lynch 50
    25 Kyle Cheney 47
    44 Matt Crouch 47
    26 Richard Douglas 46
    45 Ricky Henderson 38
    13 Taylor Walker 37
    33 Brodie Smith 36
    15 Kyle Hartigan 36
    7 Nathan Van Berlo 35
    23 Charlie Cameron 33
    12 Daniel Talia 28
    39 Riley Knight 28
    14 David Mackay 24 (S OFF)
    18 Eddie Betts 19
    31 Jarryd Lyons 0 (S ON)

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    HAWKS 135 vs ADELAIDE 61

    HAWKS

    22 Luke Breust 159
    15 Luke Hodge 138
    3 Jordan Lewis 123
    26 Liam Shiels 102
    5 Sam Mitchell 102
    9 Shaun Burgoyne 100
    14 Grant Birchall 94
    16 Isaac Smith 90
    6 Josh Gibson 88
    4 Matthew Suckling 86
    8 Taylor Duryea 86
    2 Jarryd Roughead 84
    10 Bradley Hill 83
    25 Ryan Schoenmakers 81
    33 Cyril Rioli 79
    17 Brian Lake 74
    12 James Frawley 65
    28 Paul Puopolo 61
    7 Ben McEvoy 59
    24 Ben Stratton 48
    20 David Hale 26 (S OFF)
    40 Billy Hartung 24 (S ON)

    ADELAIDE

    24 Sam Jacobs 119
    32 Patrick Dangerfield 118
    29 Rory Laird 103
    5 Scott Thompson 100
    4 Josh Jenkins 84
    9 Rory Sloane 78
    44 Matt Crouch 69
    16 Luke Brown 68
    27 Tom Lynch 68
    26 Richard Douglas 58
    7 Nathan Van Berlo 57
    25 Kyle Cheney 54
    33 Brodie Smith 48
    45 Ricky Henderson 47
    13 Taylor Walker 45
    23 Charlie Cameron 44
    12 Daniel Talia 42
    15 Kyle Hartigan 40
    39 Riley Knight 39
    18 Eddie Betts 31
    31 Jarryd Lyons 27 (S ON)
    14 David Mackay 26 (S OFF)

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