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TU- Tim Taranto
TD- Rory Laird
Love the Laird pick.
Only at 2% ownership right now, soft draw, 116.2 av last year. Might sneak into the Top 8 given how consistent he is.
Add to that, the article yesterday saying that collectively the Crows list is fitter and running better than ever under Burgess too.
Sounds like every team at this time of year.
South Aussie article by any chance…….
Promotional injections the new cure…..
Thought it had merit given that coach’s wrap sheet….
Gutted to lose Burgess, really helped turn Our fortunes around. Good luck for the Crows tho.
Taranto and Coniglio allegedly starting as forwards this year, according to Leon Cameron. Avoid Taranto!
Avoid Leon Cameron…..and GWS
Here you go Roo Bloke (from the Lions review page):-
Lloyd, Hall, Ryan, Ridley, O’Driscoll, McDonagh (Gould, Dean)
Macrae, Steele, Oliver, Mitchell, Neale, JHF, Daicos, Ward (Stephens, Butler, Clark)
Grundy, Darcy (Hayes)
Dunkley, Cogs, Curnow, Rachele, Maginness, Hollands (Skinner, Parker)
I see where we’ve gone different. You haven’t tipped into as many of the mid pricer fwds as I have.
Structurally it’s alright by me. Duncan is one you’ve missed that’s sure to be top 3 or 4 as a fwd and Willie Rioli could be an absolute steal at his price.
Forwards maybe a little thin but a great side
Daaaamn, loving this team.
Thoughts on Jy Simpkin as an alternative to Neale?
Reasons being a lot of people have Neale so Simpkin would be a POD, and I think North have the potential to surprise a few people this year.
Simpkin only increased his average last season from 93 to 97.2 ( 4.2). How much do you back him to improve this yeah? To be a keeper at M8 he’d have to do around 15 on his average. That’s steep.
Meanwhile, Neale has had season averages of 121.3 and 134.4. All he needs to do to return to 120 is stay on the park. Reportedly having a ripper preseason.
Neale the better pick.
I was all set to write about Neale being a better option, about the need for Cunners and Anderson to be in the team to shield Simpkin, but the stats simply don’t say that about Simpkin. Simply, he scored poorly when North got smashed and when we were competitive or won, he was often one of the keys to success and scored highly. If you think North is going to improve in 2022 then maybe Simpkin is worth considering, if you think we’re still going to be cellar dwellers, then maybe Neale is your player.
Hi All ! Happy SuperCoach 22
So Good to be back !
RB, is Anderson a definite starter this year ?
read somewhere ( craft disease ) recently that he hadn’t presented his Jab papers . I’ve had a quick look around but can’t find any news as yet.
Cheers Mate !
Reports are that he had dose 1 but had a bad reaction and he’s reluctant to have dose 2. He’s been in the NT for months now and is still training up there. Cause of the nature of it all there’s very little info coming out of the club about it.
IMO (indirectly of course) the possibilities of the possible 2nd dose reactions, and how it would effect his career therefore his life.
This was a point put to American lawyers when the virus first started over there and their thoughts on the law and insurance payouts.
Of course none gave a definite answer apart from implying that there would be many pending court hearings with same cases probably taking years to resolve.
This also may give you a reason why some politicians have different views, and not just for the economy….
For me I’d want to know what “bad reaction” means. Some people sook about a sore arm meaning a bad reaction because they’re already biased against it, taking it under sufferance, and looking to kick up a stink.
Since we don’t know the details or the thinking I cannot comment either way.
Maybe he will wait for one of the other alternatives.
Clearly if it’s a potentially life threatening reaction he should be given an exemption after the first vaccine. I think this should be a simple thing for everyone to accept that if you have evidence of a potentially deadly risk from vaccination you should be granted an exemption.
Thanks RB !
Fitness shouldn’t be an issue for Neale, but surely he’ll be tagged some weeks which he’s struggled with in the past.
First draft..rookies as placeholders so ill just mention 180k and premos. Rip it apart. Already feel like ive gotta pull a mid premo out for another defender premo?
D: Lloyd, Crisp, Bowes, Kemp & 4 Rookies
M: Miller, Mitchell, Walsh, Laird, Neale, Berry, JHF, F.Macrae & 3 Rookies
R: Grundy, McInerney (Preuss)
F: Dunkley, Butters, Naughton, Coniglio, Curnow & 3 Rookies
$40k remaining.
Bowes out for up to 4 months for shoulder surgery.
Thanks.
5 Thumbs down and counting, back to the drawing board, thanks guys
Alex ur not far off out Bowes and naughton in Ridley or Scilly and try butters or Heaney in fwds Duncan if u can
I actually like the structure. Just Naughton and Bowes need correcting imo.
Thanks guys.
Changes I made;
Out: Osc Mc, Walsh, Bowes, Naughton
In: Darcy, Macrae, Rich, Rachelle
Third draft! …..but should be final draft until we see more info/data from intra-club & official practices matches.
Lloyd, Hall, Whitfield (MD), Coleman (DF), Sinn (DM), Kemp / Kelly (DF), Gould
J Macrae, Steele, Oliver, Mitchell, Neale, F Macrae, Rachele (MF), D Stephens / E Smith (MF), O’Driscoll (DM), Long (FM-LH)
Grundy, McInerney / Hayes
Dunkley (MF), De Goey (MF), Raynor, Coniglio (MF), Maginness (MF), Holland (MF) / Pedlar (MF), De Koning (DF)
I think I’m happy with this but would welcome any feedback & suggestions.
Cheers
Must admit- checking out your team I wondered the attraction to Finlay Macrae, so I went and checked out his stats.
Played 9 and averaged 38, BUT, 2 scores of 6 when emergency mid season when he was in and out of the side, but in the last 4 games of the year, got some continuity, and midfield time and disposal count ranged from 16-21, and SuperCoach scores ranged from 47-67,
Definitely worth some thought- pedigree fabulous, another pre season under belt and potential to score 80ish, priced at $206k
Worth considering!
I generally prefer my rookies to have had a couple of pre-seasons, or more. I only like having a max of 4-5 kids from the previous year’s draft. There is always plenty of hype around the higher picks but the majority don’t get a run until later in the season and become good downgrade options. So, I took young Macrae instead of JHF, D Stephens instead of Ward, Will Kelly instead of Kemp, Maginness instead of Amiss etc.
DEF –> Hall – Dawson – Whitfield – Hewett – Sinn – Perez –
(De Koning – Uwland)
MID –> Macrae – Steele – Mitchell – Neale – Macrae – Daicos – Ward – Stephens – (O’Driscoll – Stephens – Clark)
RUCK –> Darcy – Grundy –
(Hayes)
FWD –> Dunkley – Treloar – Heeney – Coniglio – Curnow – Maginness – (Hollands – Motlop)
TU Witts $380
TD Draper $396
Not the answer you want, but neither at this stage.
If you’re set on passing on the Big Four (Darcy, Nic Nat, G&G), find the extra 110k and grab the Big O. He’s the value ruck with the most upside this season.
Totally agree GD, and in doing so have to pass on a beloved Bomber..its Grundy and Big O for me.
Ok I’m happy (at this stage) appreciate any comment or TU/TD
Lloyd Crisp Ridley
O’Driscoll Gould Skinner
(Dean McDonagh)
McCrae Oliver Laird Neale
Duncan JHF Daicos Ward
(Parker Clark Uwland)
Darcy Grundy (Hayes)
Dunks De Gropey Butters
Cogs Rachele De Koning
(Hollands Motlop)
$52,000 ITB
Cmon pre-season.
Hello team,
After a number of drafts I came up with 2 different ones that I’m starting to settle on.
I’d like to post one that is not necessarily the one I prefer but looks like the more balanced one.
I put Gawn there just to see what the people thinks, it’s only a few extra $ than Darcy, still last year’s top scorer, the Dees looks solid, and at this stage he’s a POD with a potential to still rolling 130+ on a regular.
Not too sold on Cogs but at this stage if he retains 60% ownership it’ll be hard not to start him.
Bontempelli not the most picked from the first drafts around but I reckon he’ll be smashing it from the start.
Quite a few expensive rookies but I’ll wait and see closer to the start of the season, there’s a chance a few of those will be downgraded to more regular priced ones and will upgrade to a premo either in def or fws.
J.Lloyd, J. Crisp, J. Dawson,
J. Sinn, L. Aleer, S. De Koning
(G. McDonagh, N. O’Driscoll )
J. Macrae, J. Steele, C. Oliver, M. Bontempelli, L. Neale,
JHF, N. Daicos, J. Ward
(, M. Bergman, G. Clark, C. Parker)
M. Gawn, D. Grundy (S. Hayes)
J. Dunkley, Z. Butters, S. Coniglio,
J. Rachele, J. Amiss, F. Maginess
( E. Hollands, S. Skinner)
30,300$ in the bank.
Any feedback good or less really appreciated
With that extra 30k you could dump Dunkley and get a super defender like RIDLEY and still have some for a quality rookie forward .It really doesn’t matter where your prems are This team is so close to mine and I have 4 /5 /2 /0 and like you all the best rookies Naturally a great team it comes down to dunkley or A RIDLEY TYPE bert of luck
Hey DD thanks for your feedback.
I can see where you’re coming from with Dunkley, I thought about starting no potential fwds premos whatsoever but to me it would mean dropping Butters and Cogs as well.
The extra cash would be used to upgrade Neale to Titch, Dawson to Rich, add a Ridley type of Def.
That been said I do feel that if Dunks stays fit, he’s probably the one with the biggest scoring potential out of that batch of “returning-from-injury” players (even more than Neale in terms of fitness).
The issue I have with Cogs is that I see him as a falling (if not completely fell already) premo and even tho he stays fit can he really score more than 80ave for the whole season? Could you get the same scoring value from a rookie for, give or take, a 100k less?
We are on exactly the same page except i kept dawson and reluctantly COGS The upgrade to Tich was a no brainer I have a warm body fwd with none staying and will rely on Gawn types to get fwd status
Cant see gawn types getting fwd status, dunks best fwd option by a fair margin.
Does a player need to have 35% of time in forward line to get DPP?
Gawn and Marshall must be a reasonable chance in the first 6 weeks.
35% of all centre bounces starting in forward line.
Marshall would be likely imho
It’s actually based on all stoppages not just Centre Bounces.
Ball ups and throw ins count as well.
If its anything like Fantasy last year , very few SC relevant players got given DPP.
Marshall might be a chance if Ryder starts as the Main Ruck to ease him back in.
Glen a long time Fantasy player, gives Max almost no chance of getting DPP. He starts most Quarters in the centre bounce
and tends to go to the bench or drop behind the ball when Jackson takes over. For instance when Jackson Rucks inside the forward 50 Max is usually parked outside the 50 in a defensive position . Not Forward.
If he spends 15% game time on the bench he would need to have a 50/50 ruck split with Jackson to get close to DPP. This may happen with some of the weaker sides, but not until later in the year. The DEEs will want to secure a top 4 spot before they start playing around with a winning side.
I wouldn’t be relying on too many big names getting Forward status.
Best rookies ?? There is a good chance none of those 5 defensive rookies play round 1. De Koning is the best bet but he is key position and won’t score well. Sinn (who is in a lot of teams) had a disrupted draft year and probably won’t be rushed into the side for round 1.
I am very concerned about the defensive rooks that will play round 1.
David C
I still hold out hope for Sinn. Port traded up to secure him and have a great record with blooding younger players. Also, quite a few folks are tipping Perez and Kemp to both be playing R1.
I also personally think O’Driscoll is a big chance to get early games for Freo.
Fingers crossed, defensive rookies aren’t going to be too much of a problem after all.
looks good.
My team is also pretty similar so just a few thoughts i wanted to put out there
I have the standard Darcy/Grundy right now. Like Gawn. curious if a Gawn + Jackson Hedge is a better option then Gawn/SetandForget. treat them as one player get some DPP. cover and if Melbourne’s coach switches things up you are already insulated for that.
would look at using that 30K to upgrade Rachelle to someone in that Curnow/Will Brodie 200K range. Seems like Rachelle’s scoring will be goal dependant on a team that wont be very good
Replying to Massimo: I believe it’s not a good move having both Dunkley and bontempelli in your team. Fanfooty says that bontempelli scores -25.1 sc points than usual with Dunkley playing. “Supercoach difference in playing with Josh Dunkley (11) vs without (11): 107.2 vs 132.3 = -25.1”
Made a few changes
DEF Llody Crips Dawson Sinn DE Koning Archer 2 x rookie
MID Macrae Steele Oliver Neale Tich Greenwood Driscoll JHF 3x rookie
RUCK Nicnat Witts 1x rookie
FWD Duncan Dusty Coniglio Hollands Rioli Brodie 2x rookie
Not sold on Dusty any comments welcome
No Daicos?
There are lots of good mid rookies this year. I’d trust them and go a bit lighter.
would probably Ditch Greenwood for a Premo Def making similar money then go down from Dusty to a 450K range primo and use that extra cash to get Daicos or another rookie upgrade
Witts is struggling to be ready for round 1
Hi gang, here’s my first draft for 2022. I completely blew up my forward line this week but I don’t mind it. There is the option of dropping Sicily back to a rookie (e.g. Sinn) and grabbing an extra premo up front, but we’ll see what happens over the next six weeks….
Lloyd, Crisp, Whitfield, Sicily, O’Driscoll, Gould (McDonagh, Dean)
Macrae, Steele, Oliver, Mitchell, Neale, Horne-Francis, NDaicos, Ward (Stephens, Mead, GClark)
Gawn, Grundy (Hayes)
Dunkley, Coniglio, CCurnow, Brodie, Maginness, Hollands (WKelly, Parker)
Hey, Chillo. Great to see you around again.
Not vibing with Darcy?
Sticking with Max for the time being, but strongly considering Darcy. Still question marks on durability though.
Really liked McInerney’s finish to last season too.
Hi Chillo, all the best with Supercoach 2022.
What about Rioli from Richmond instead of Sicily?
Was playing off the half back line and is a decent chance to average 90+ while having F/D ddp to cover both lines and being 100k cheaper.
Generally avoid the Tigers. Short is really the only one with a consistent role. Shai Bolton killed me last year.
I get that… Also had Shai last year… And Bought in Dusty as a Danger replacement after his Rd 1 fireworks.
Just think its a case for Defenders on bad teams = points arguement like North had last year
Think Richmond will make the eight easily this year = not a bad team. Coleman from Brisbane has the same role and is cheaper than Rioli.
Why are we so sure Richmond will make the 8 this year?
Lets look at last years top 5.
Melbourne – only getting better, good mix of youth and experience
Port – Well coached, got better in the offseason develops youth so has a good age profile and has Ollie Wines who’s better then anyone at richmond.
Brisbane – look to be better next season as Neale returns to form and Big 0 takes a step.
Geelong – Dads army could drop off.
Bulldogs – were the only team that could rival melbourne last year before injuries hit. are healthy and have a few young talls coming through (Darcy, Jamarra, Sweet) to fill the only weakness’ in their list.
Lets assume Geelong could slip down to the next tier of teams. but look to have a top 8 spot on lock since they fixed some of their issues in the off season.
That leaves 3 spots left last year they were filled by Sydney, GWS and Essendon
Sydney – had a faster then expected rise up the ladder thanks to some good rookies (Gulden, Campbell, Mcdonald) lost a few players (Dawson/Hewett) but have ready made replacements good to go
GWS. – Might have the most talented list in the league (and the most daft coach) Not sure Hirdy will help much given how rubbish a coach he was at Essendon ( couldnt win a finals game with a brownlow medalist while cheating) . but their talent level will keep them there abouts
Essendon: Rebuilt their list on the fly last season. have a deep young list and a good coach. Struggled against strong teams last year, but are now a year bigger/stronger. I’m biased but think they are a lock for the 8 and could challenge top 4 if all goes well
So by that math there aren’t any spots left, however lets assume one spot opens up. the teams vying for it will be
Tigers, Saints, North and Gold Coast.
Saints and GCS played last season without a ruck. An issue they won’t have this season. Suns have the most promising/Talented group of the bunch. followed by North who have a good mix of youth and experience (Hall, Goldy, Ziebell, Simkin, LDU, JHF, CCJ, Thomas, Phillips, ect)
i think they could all jump past the tigers and might even do so comfortably
Like it other than Whitfield, check his history = TRAP.
I have a different take on Whitfield.
His price for potential output is very attractive. DPP handy too.
A former no 1 draft pick hitting his prime age wise. He can score in almost any position due to elite endurance.
I think he could average anywhere from 95-105. The extra trades negate some of the injury concerns .
I think if he’s your only defensive Premo with injury history he maybe worth it. It’s about risk profile on each line for me.
A full preseason bodes well at this stage.
He must be in consideration for D3.
Def: Lloyd, Crisp, Dawson, Ridley, Sinn, Aleer (McDonagh, Uwland)
Mid: Macrae, Titch, Laird, Mills, Neale, Daicos, Ward, Stephens (O’Driscoll, NWM, G.Clark)
Ruc: Darcy, Grundy (Hayes)
Fwd: Duncan, Rayner, Cogs, Maginness, Hollands, De Koning (W.Kelly, Peris)
70.6k ITB
I like the 4-5-2-1, but not sure if it will work long term, thoughts?
Seeing alot of talk of the big O so far, any considerations of starting ROB this year? At a similar price hes pretty durable with a proven ceiling dont see why he cant increase his output on last season.
fair shout , didnt come home too hard last year though, lots of 85-95 scores
Jesse.
Re ROB.
I mentioned him with the big O in as cheaper R2 options.
The Big O plays for a top 4 team.We still need to see if they play Fort forward.they may share a bit early ? He stills seems the better option atm.
ROB’s Crows are destined for bottom 6. He trys really hard, and hold his own against most rucks, he just lacks a midfield to hit it to atm.
Dawson should help, I back him to improve, I’m not sure by how much.
Still…he could be a fall back if The Big O stubs a toe.
Would Anybody have any idea how long before the SC “people” have a value and position(s) for Paddy McCartin?
Thanks
Waiting to see it too. If he’s cheap, named round 1 and wearing a helmet he’s in.
I suspect he’ll be mid-high 200’s though.
Dear SCT co-ordinaters,
Any chance of setting up a competition where you can’t make any changes after the preseasons and you see that many of your thoughts don’t get selected in round 1……??? LOL
So Chameleon, its YOU that has been breaking into my cellar !!!
Nah, just got the thought from some of the BBL teams we were up against…….
TU Maginness
TD Amiss
Thanks
Ok guys ideally I would like both but can’t fit them in so which 1 have the best scoring capabilities?
TU Crisp
TD Ridley
Thanks
Def – Lloyd, Crisp, Whitfield, Sicily, Sinn, Aleer ( O’Driscoll, Voss)
Mid – Steele, Laird, Walsh, Parish, Neale, JHF, Daicos, Ward ( Smith, Clark, Long)
Ruck – Darcy, Grundy (Akuei)
Fwd – Dunkley, Butters, Curnow, Darcy, Magginess, Hollands (Butler, Peris)
30k in bank
Nice pods on ball in Laird and Parish; really trying hard to fit Laird in. Slight risk going for both Sicily and Whitfield; injury history for both scares me off a bit. Nice work!
I actually like the structure. Just Naughton and Bowes need correcting imo.
TU Gresham and Brodie (2 forward rookies on field)
TD Butters and forward rookie (3 forward rookies on field)
My first go at it lads, a little late I know but what do we think?
Def: Lloyd, Hall, Crisp, Ridley, Kemp, O’Driscoll (De Koning, Skinner)
Mid: Macrae, Oliver, Walsh, Neale, Rowell, Daicos, JHF, Stephens (Clark, Johnson, Butler)
Ruc: Darcy, Grundy (Hayes)
Fwd: Dunkley, Butters, Cogs, Curnow, Maginness, Hollands, (Pedlar, Parker)
57k ITB
Thanks.
Hi guys, first draft for the season. Rip it apart.
DEF: LLOYD, CRISP, RIDLEY, SINN, O’DRISCOLL, WILMOT, MCDONAGH, DEAN
MID: MACRAE, OLIVER, WALSH, BRAYSHAW, NEALE, CONSTABLE, DAICOS, WARD, STEPHENS, JOHNSON, CLARK
RUCK: GRUNDY, DARCY, COMBEN
FWD: DUNCAN, MARTIN, JACKSON, CONIGLIO, HOLLANDS, DE KONING, KELLY, CLARKE
Constable to JHF. We know he is going to have a big role and is going to score
Hey guys first year doing supercoach.
Need help
Roast my team.
Lloyd Stewart Whitfield
Sicily Milera. Darcy(won’t be here Rd 1)
McRae. Steele. Neale Gresham
cognilio. Horn-Francis daicos. Clarke
Gawn. Grundy
Dunkley. Duncan Raynor
Ugle-hagen Brodie. Kelly
Hey, Larry.
A VERY good draft for someone taking their first stab at SC.
You’ve gone a little too deep in your DEF and FWD lines, which has come at the expense of your MIDs. Usually, you need a minimum of 5 premo MIDs. Lot of discussion right now about only running 4 premo MIDs given how good the rookies look there.
Might be easier to re-do your team with 5 premo MIDs for now, then clip one back if that’s what the rookie situation dictates. Macrae, Steele and Neale are great, pick 2 more.
Also, Gresham and Cogs should be selected up FWD. They’ve got more value their getting a FWD rookie off field. Not sure about Brodie, Milera and Ugle Hagan right now, but the pre-season should clear that up.
For now, clip some of those midpricers, get a 4-5 premo MID line and maybe reconsider Stewart. Returning from a lisfranc injury this season. The rest of your premo picks are all great.
Sure others will have some input. Good luck!
T/U: Charlie Constable
T/D: Jordan Clark
This is what I’ve landed on right now, will all change come pre season though I’m sure.
DEF- Lloyd, Crisp, Ridley, Sinn + rookies
MID- Macrae, Steele, Mitchell, Petracca, Neale, Daicos, Ward + rookies
RUC- Darcy, Grundy + rookie
FWD- Dunkley, De Goey, Butters, Coniglio, Maginness + rookies
My February 2/2/2022 team.
Please be critically harsh. 🙂
I’ve gone weak in the mids because of more reliable rookies on the that line. For a more solid Defence and a more mid pricey Forwards. Set and forget Rucks.
DEF: J.Lloyd, A.Hall, J.Crisp, L.Whitfield, J.Sicily, W.Milera, (W.Kelly, S.De Koning)
MID: J.Macrae, J.Steele, L.Neale, M.Rowell, J.Horne-Francis, N.Daicos, J.Ward, J.Sinn (N.O’Driscoll, G.Clark, C.Parker)
RUCK: S.Darcy, B.Grundy, (S.Hayes)
FWD: J.Dunkley, I.Heeney, S.Cogniglio, C.Curnow. F.Maginness, E.Hollands, (C.Comben, S.Skinner)
I like it but not going Heeney again…ever
I know the history of Heeney being one of the most frustrating SC players but it was a choice of him, De Goey, Treloar and Butters. I feel he will end up scoring more and being less injury proned.
Especially with him destined for more midfield minutes and supposedly training well, it seems a good move. Would love to have him on my team, despite him being put on my never again lift three times.
That’s a very big back line and a very small midfield, and you might want to look at satan for hall of something. I really like the forward and its mid priced players, could go very well or very badly.
Historians,
Didn’t J Berry often have tagging roles in the midfield when they were playing other top level teams?
Ponder this for ruck selections,
In cricket we have ‘keeper “who can bat” for tests, and in the short games, “batter who can ‘keep”, so for a 2nd ruck in a team would the league coaches be looking for a ruck who can play up forward, or a forward who can ruck???……..could this help us guesstimate our rucks easier???
Ideally a DPP ruck who can play forward since Rucks have more consistent scoring while Key forwards tend to fluctuate a lot, which is fine going for an overall score but can hurt you if you are playing for a week to week league.
In the past Rowan Marshall was that guy but he lost DPP this season and all of the DPP rucks have risks. People are hoping Gawn gets DPP as a ruck who rests forward but thats a very hopeful oppinion
McEvoy- considered older and not overly Supercoach relevant plays down back for the Hawks and should get you 85-90 a weeek if all goes well. okay for an f6 last year but not great value
English – Doesn’t want to play ruck. plays on a good team so could have high scores but not reliable
Peter Wright: Key Forward for Essendon. Will go as well as you think they will go. not reliable consistent scoring but had some huge games. priced high to start
Jackson – seems poised for a breakout but paired with Gawn. Expensive for someone who’s ceiling is limited by his teammates
CCJ – Moved teams to North from richmond and is reasonably priced in the sense that you could make 100-150k off him and not need him to be a keeper. Supposedly heir apparent to goldstein while also playnig forward.
Peter Ladhams. Expensive mid pricer has DPP likely stuck down in the swans depth chart. probably too expensive to start.
Bailey Williams – West coast rookie ish player priced cheaply and should get more playing time with Darling out
Hi JSG, Oscar Allen will play key forward this year which leaves open the 2nd ruck spot. According to afl.com …… Simpson was hopeful athletic tall Bailey Williams would be an option after nine games in three seasons.
“He’s taken a really good step forward and he hasn’t missed a beat in training,” the coach said of Williams.
“Nic’s been unavailable for a week or two and we’ve got a few little niggles with our rucks, so he’s been on his own a little bit.
“He’s really grown and matured on the track. No great expectations put on him, but if he could step up that would be pretty handy.”
Wort a punt…..M
He currently seems the best R/F punt, but at > 200k he’s pretty expensive. the extra 100k starting difference between him and a bargain basement ruck/fwd/mid puts him in the Curnow/Brodie/McRae/Lynch/Pruess price bracket.
Started too many premium rookies last year so i’m pretty cautious. especially since you’d need another R/F to make him a viable loop between lines
It looks like Charlie Comben is an option that could make this work. Check the article on the AFL website about Xerri from the Roos.
Opinions please
Crisp Ryan Corr + 5 rookies
Macrae Oliver Mitchell Guthrie Petracca Dunkley Neale Cogniglio + 3 rookies
Grundy Pruess + Rookie
Duncan Martin De Goey + 5 Rookies
I’d recommend putting Cogs in the forward line and having just the 4 forward rookies and 4 mid rookies. Even then I think you are too deep in the midfield.
TU Parish
TD Wines
Cheers
I think a lot of rookies will get a run this year so it is going to be a good hit or a big miss, if Covid gets into a team they will have to run the young guys, a bit like the BBL and Stars.
Flamin Moe’s 2.0
30.5k in the bank
DEF: Lloyd, Crisp, Dawson, Ridley, Gould, O’driscoll (Dean, McDonagh)
MID: Macrae, Steele, Titch, Walsh, Neale, Daicos, Warner, Clark (Johnson, Butler, McComb)
RUCK: Darcy, Big O (Hayes)
FWD: Duncan, Butters, Gresham, Coniglio, Kelly, Hollands (Serong, Parker)
Prior to this was running Darcy and grundy in the ruck, but looking at Big O averaging 110p after the bye has tempted me at this point in time to chuck him in and use the extra 100k bulking my mids and backs. But does anyone know or have a theory as to why Big O had such a drastic change in scoring from 78p to 110p avg between the bye?
Would like to have Titch or Walsh be Oliver or Touk but don’t have the finances for that unless I drop say Dawson or Crisp down to Whitfield, but with talk of Dawson and Crisp getting more mid time, I’m not sure if it’s worth it, as well as Titch and Walsh defiantly having the ability to being top 8 mids.
Big O actually did 116 av. in the second half of the season. Had him at R2, watched him closely and I’d chalk it up to a few things:
– really honed in his H2A work, probably the main thing
– greater confidence resting back and intercepting occasionally & floating forward taking contested marks
– a string of soft opponents
Which Eagle?
TU- Bailey Williams
TD- Willie Rioli
First draft for this year any help or advice appreciated.
Def- Lloyd, Crisp, Ridley,Whitfield, Odriscoll, Bazzo, Wilmot, Gould.
Mid- Macrae, Steele, Oliver, Neale, Duncan, JHF, Daicos, Hollands, Singapore, Johnson, G.Clarke.
RUC- Grundy, McInerney, Akuei
FOR- Dunkley, DeGoey, Coniglio, Curnow, W.Kelly, C.Parker, Pedlar, Butler.
$25K Left in the Bank.
Any help or advice appreciated.
Aleer and Sinn down back maybe
TU Crisp
TD Whitfield
Please try not to let the GWS promotions manipulation (BS) effect your judgment.
You’d have to think Crisp’s role is locked in.
He’s also Mr Durable, can’t remember the last time he missed a game.
On the other hand we have Whitfield who’s underpriced but severely injury prone.
The extra trades have given me the confidence to go Whitfield with saved funds.
Can’t go wrong either way, if funds weren’t an issue though, give me Crisp.
Crisp’s games each season at Collingwood 2015 – present:
22, 22, 22, 22, 22, 17, 22.
Whitfield is a pretty huge risk but the upside on him is so big.
Basically him and Lloyd are the only potential 120 point defenders.
HH
I’m not sure Lloyd or Whitfield can get to 120 this year.
Lloyd has only got there once and that was corona ball 2020. Whitfield has never averaged this high and without an inside mid role I can’t see him getting the opportunity.
For me Hall, Crisp, Dawson, Rich, Lloyd and Whitfield could all go 110
I have Stewart, Ryan, Heppell , Ridley, Short and Dale a tier below.
All still capable of 100-110
Pendlebury has been taking kick-outs at match sim. If he gets given Defender status at R6 he could be a great defensive selection capable of a 105 average.
T/U – Cogs
T/D – Gresh
Interesting poll. Cogs likely to be in the forward line for the first 5 weeks (at least) V an injury prone Gresh who is still struggling a bit in preseason. Cogs in 62.9% of teams, Gresh in 25%. Gresh likely to have the better role early.
Hey guys.
Thoughts about trying to squeeze W Day into D5?
Leaves me having to find some very cheap rookies in the mid and/or fwd to make that work.
T/U = Yes
T/D = No
Maybe constable
Hey folks, just finished building my team for the first of many times.
I have absolutely no idea what I am doing so please critique me as much as possible.
I picked off a bunch of people on this threads team I hope you don’t mind.
I am fairly familiar with the kids in the draft this year but I don’t know how well they will do in Supercoach.
Bank: 129K
DEF: J. Lloyd, L. Whitfield (DM), J.Sicily, J. Sinn (DM), N. O’Driscoll (DM), G. McDonah, (W. Gould (E), C. Dean)
MID: J. Macrae (VC), J. Steele (C), C. Oliver, T. Mitchell, L. Neale, J. Horny-Francis, N. Daicos, E. Hollands (MF), (D. Stephens (E), M. Johnson, G. Clark)
RUC: M. Gawn, S. Darcy, (D. Akuei (E))
FWD: J. Dunkley (MF), M. Duncan (MF), S. Coniglio (MF), W. Rioli, J. Rachele (MF), F. Maginness (MF), (S. De Koning (DF) (E), C. Parker (MF))
As you can probably guess, I have no idea about structure and have not put a thought into byes, which will likely remain the same until R11 :).
The backline I mostly left to the end. I picked Lloyd because that’s what you do. I did the other back premos at the end and picked Sicily and Whitfield, but I know both Crisp and Dawson were very good options, and there was some talk of Ridley. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I picked Sinn because I watched the draft and he seemed good enough, and Gould always seems to be on my team but never play. As for the other three, after looking at other teams on this thread I concluded that Dean was a non-playing rookie for the loophole, and McDonah and O’Driscoll were rookies expected to play. Again, would love some help on this.
As for the midfield, I always go with Macrae, Steele, and Oliver. Then, I picked Mitchell over Miller despite (my promises to myself last year), mostly because that seemed to be the general consensus on this chat and I wanted to give him a go this season. Neale was a late pick, I was thinking of spending the money elsewhere as he was my downfall last season but there was no other mid premos I wanted, he was super cheap and he seemed very popular on this chat. As for rookies, I went with JHF and Daicos because even if they play half as good as they are meant to they will still stand out. Then I picked Hollands as I among others reckon he has the potential to be a very good cow this season as well as his multiple positions. Stephens seems to be in every team as well as big Greg Clark. Johnson was a most likely dumb pick that came about from me watching him slip through the draft. He was cheap compared to the top 10 picks but he seems to be as talented as them.
For the Rucks, Gawn and Darcy were obvious picks for me, Gawn with his consistency, and Darcy because that’s what I promised to myself last season. I got Akuie for the loophole as Carlton’s #5 ruckman, not sure if this is the smartest move or Mac Andrew should be something I consider, but that’s what I’ve gone with. Is Mac Andrew the better Emergency?
And then the forward line: Duncan and Dunkley seem to be the value picks for the forward line, remembering that tall forward premos did not exist last season and quality forwards were rare as well. Then, I have gone with some mid-priced players with Cogs and Rioli this season because of their prices and what happened with Ziebell last season. Curnow seems like a great option as well to spend some money on but I will leave it to you to comment on whether it should be him or my two on field rookies of Rachele and Magginess on my side. Jye Amiss was another contender for this spot. Then, De Koning was an obvious selection and Parker will be my captaincy loophole, though I’m not sure if this is smart with a lack of forward captain candidates.
Please give me your input on anything, the more the merrier and thanks for reading this long and boring post.
PS: I saw some spreadsheet with prices and averages used for someone’s Supercoach “draft” where they pick their team and I was wondering where I could get this.
Thanks again!
Nice team
TU: Hobbs
TD: Matthew Johnson
Matthew Johnson has injured his foot (Jan 30) and is out for 4-5 weeks so would need to monitor progress when he resumes training.
Thanks so much Chaos appreciate your work
Which of the players in the following comments should be one of my 3 defensive premos?
Choose the 3 that are the most value for money and should be in my team.
TU: Jordan Ridley
TD: Jake Lloyd
TU Second Comment: Jack Crisp
TD Second Comment: Aaron Hall
TU Third Comment: Lachie Whitfield
TD Third Comment: Jordan Dawson
TU Fourth Comment: James Sicily
Second Comment
TU: Jack Crisp
TD: Aaron Hall
Third Comment
TU: Lachie Whitfield
TD: Jordan Dawson
Fourth Comment
TU: James Sicily
Thanks guys comment if you have any points
How many of these mid-low price players should I have in my forward line.
(Heeney, Cogs, Rioli, Curnow, Rayner).
TU: 0
TD: 1
TU Second Comment: 2
TD Second Comment: 3
TU Third Comment: 4
TD Third Comment: All 5
Second Comment
TU: 2
TD: 3
Third Comment
TU: 4
TD: 5
If you have time please comment with how many is a good amount and the order of priority
I would say 2 or 3 at the most as you probably want a premium and a rookie, and want to have space for the DPP switches mid year
You’re tripping me out with all these comments mate, maybe shape it with a simple question and get others thoughts! I’d personally only consider COGS and Rayner full stop which comes with risk as is. Too many of those guys especially in the one line is fraught with danger.
Thanks guys
Thumbs up Inception!
Cogs, Raynor, Brodie, Curnow, Rioli in that order.
Heeney is a different price bracket and can’t be compared
Finally, I just wanted to know what you guys thought about a SCT community run supercoach team, where trades are suggested in the chats and then voted on in a poll. I’m sorry if this idea has been done before, is happening under my nose right now, or is just plain stupid, but I thought it would be cool to see how it went and I would be more than happy to put a couple hours into it every week.
Please like this comment if you think it’s a good idea or dislike it and tell me how stupid I am if I’m being stupid or just for fun. I’m sure this team could do much better than mine could!
sounds like a great idea
Good idea, not sure how you go about a starting team.
Thanks for the support guys, hopefully someone high up will see this and answer, else I’ll try and post the comment again closer to the season.
He Jude.
We used have a side like you guys described. Maybe 2-3 years ago.
Unfortunately the format was hugely labour intensive. It required multiple polls for every line to decide Premo’s and Rookies.
It was hard to manage as we also need polls every week to decide trades and things like Bye strategy. Also interest tended to wain late in the year when trades were low and injuries set in.
It seems like an awesome idea, I’m just not sure anyone has the time to manage it in these Covid times.
Cheers FT.
Hey, Jude.
We used to do something like this. It was called “The TEAM”, run by previous site manager Schwarz and selections and trades based on polls and discussion.
Had a few classic moments. The TEAM scored 2946 in R23 2019 (#91 for the round). Harris Andrews also suckered us all in once and literally tanked The TEAM.
Good fun but it’s a lot of work. Gotta set up polls for every position, trade and strategy. Especially with SC increasingly become more complex and host to different structures and strategies, it’d require a huge volume of polls.
I’ll put it to the rest of the admins though.
It’s a great idea, and it was a thing. I think it was a lot of work though. I don’t recall the Team being super successful, but that wasn’t really the point as I remember it.
Def: Crisp, Dawson, Whitfield – Rookies
Mid: Macrae, Miller, Oliver, Walsh, Petracca, Neale, – Rookies
Ruck: Darcy, Preuss – Rookie
For: Dunkley, Dusty, Butters, Cogs – Rookies
Will find a way to move Preuss to Witts if he isn’t showing good signs before Rd 1.
Nice team. I really like the structure, and despite some risky moves (preuss, cogs, dusty even) I think it could go really well. Good luck and I can’t wait to see how it works out.
I mostly like it Will, well done. I do think Preuss R2 is a risk. I know you have 6 premo mids which kind of offsets this.
Whitfield (injury) and Dawson (role) also have question marks.
You could consider one less premo in the forward line with some good mid pricers available. Plus the new DPP rule may actually see some gun mids become forwards mid season.
Certainly agree. There is potential R2 Preuss lineups if one of the Hayes stands up, Comben is your rookie ruck.
Or Xerri or Max Lynch get a role, but then who is your R2 anyway?
No Lloyd? Not having Lloydis a big risk. Do you have enough cash to go Dawson to Lloyd.
DEF:
Lloyd , Hall, Short, Coleman – Rookies
Value premos who I believe will outscore their priced average.
MID:
Macrae, Steele, Oliver, Walsh, Brayshaw, Constable, JHF – Cheaper Rookies
No fucking around
RUCK:
Darcy, Grundy, Preuss
Set and forget with some insurance
FWD:
Dunkley, Gresham, Coniglio, Curnow – Rookies
Limited forward rookies means time to get funky. Only need these guys to average 70-80 to make enough to upgrade. My whole structure is based on a cheap FWD line, pending player fitness in pre season.
Brayshaw will be tag target number 1 at Fremantle, I can see him having a good year, but expect a few rough scores. I prefer Titch who could easy be top scorer for the year
I have a few expensive rookies so and Coleman, so for the moment I can’t afford Titch.
Brayshaw did average 117 post-bye last year though and that was already as the number 1 tag target with Fyfe injured so I reckon he’s ready to overcome those issues.
4th and final draft. I must stop fiddling now! This is what I’ve settled on prior to seeing any info/data out of Intraclub and official practice matches. Rookies are obviously subject to change but based on info available now, I think they are all likely to be in consideration for R1.
Hall, Dawson, Whitfield, Sicily, Kemp, W Kelly / O’Driscoll, McDonagh
J Macrae, Steele, Mitchell, Walsh, Neale, F Macrae, D Stephens, Maginess / Mead, G Clark, Long (DPP LH)
Grundy, McInerney / Hayes
Dunkley, De Goey, Rayner, Coniglio, Hollands, De Koning / Pedlar, Comben
Any feedback welcome.
Cheers
Finlay Macrae? surely someone like Daicos or JHF or Ward over him and Stephens
Hi GGG,
I generally prefer my rookies to have had a couple of pre-seasons, or more. There is always plenty of hype around the higher picks but many of them don’t get a run until later in the season and become good downgrade options.
Macrae may become Daicos but I’ll wait and see. Macrae averaged 57 in his last 4 games, will have a 2nd preseason and gets the ball. He’s a bit of a POD rookie for me at this stage.
I think Stephens will stay in based on: “Sydney Swans coach John Longmire has lauded Dylan Stephens for a standout pre-season and says the young midfielder is now brimming with confidence as he looks forward to a breakout 2022 season” From the Swans website. I expect him to play, probably on a wing.
Bring on the practice games & the season.
Hope you go well
Cheers
Im definitely confident on Stephens, but having watched Macrae play last year I would definitely go for daicos
13 Premo side (if you squint a bit). Nice.
Solid midpricers and rookies all look to be in with a chance other than the obvious donut.
Might be scraping a bit for onfield rookies in both the forward and back come round 1, but without many match reports and the ability to like for like swap it looks very good.
Cheers HH
Hey all.
Backs. Hall, Ridley, Whitfield, sicily, perez, de koning (dpp swing). Bench: o’driscall, dean
Mids: Macrae, steele, Oliver, neale, Daicos, ward, erasmus, hobbs. Bench: Mcinnes, goater, Clark.
Rucks: Darcy, grundy. Bench: hayes
Forwards: Dunkley, De Goey, butters, Raynor, Cognilio, Hollands. Bench: comben, skinner (dpp swing)
I really do want Lloyd in the side, but I’m worried about the forward rookies, so I downgraded Lloyd to sicily so I could pick up raynor. Opinions please. 🙂
Biggest problem is we don’t know how or where Sicily will be used, and we’ve heard very little about him in preseason.
I understand the reasoning and overall it looks good.
James Sicily – “In match play… players that impressed… great to see Sicily back, taking marks, using the ball as he does.” Hawthorn assistant coach Adrian Hickmott.
Don’t tempt me, CT!
Ha! I am also tempted after reading sim report.
Sicily was marking everything, but still I want to see more over the coming weeks… to clarify position.
Going to keep a close eye on him.
Cheers.
While Sicily was away, Jiath, Impy, Scrimshaw, Hardwick, Bramble, Denver and Day did play.
He won’t have the same role he did 2 years ago.
Derek ..
Why not ?
If he’s the best intercepting defender, why wouldn’t they play him there ?
He played that role in match sim and excelled.
I think he could be a very solid D4 if it suits your team structure.
What other talls do the Hawks have?
Hartigan & Frost!
I can see him being asked to do more defensive work, the gawks have Scrimshaw and co to do the intercept work and distribution
Just my take on it
Thanks Derek.
Appreciate the banter.
I believe McEvoy will play back this year also.
They also have Denver GB. He is 195cm and maybe able to cover a third tall if needed.
My only other worry with Sicily is they may decide to blood Scrimshaw, DGB / CJ in the interceptor role later in the year. This could see Sicliy moved forward . Not what you want for SC.
I still think Sic starts the year as the interceptor / backline general. I guess we shall see.
Here’s my current take.
Lloyd, Dawson, Ridley, Whitfield, Chesser, Skinner (Kelly, M. McGuiness)
Macrae, Steele, Mitchell, Walsh, Neale, JHF, Daicos, Stephens (Clark, Goater, Long)
Grundy, Witts (Hayes)
Thomas, Butters, Rayner, Coniglio, Curnow, F.Maginness (Hollands,Comben)
Midfield and back looks strong! What’s your reasoning for witts after the ACL injury? Interesting POD.
Also, do you think thomas will maintain 40% + cba will Greenwood and JHF coming in?
Fair question on both those two players.
Thomas has scope to improve based on age and ability, certainly, but there is risk factors as you mentioned particularly with Greenwood, Tom Powell and even Stephenson.
However it should be remembered Jed Anderson is away from the club at present and looks unlikely to meet vaccination requirements anytime soon so I don’t think a huge loss in CBA’s is locked in just yet.
There’s also affordable options in DeGoey, Heeney and Bailey around that price point, all of whom have been in or out of my side so far this preseason.
Maybe even Ladhams if he starts to make some waves at Sydney (which I’m hoping for but my SC head isn’t seeing data supporting yet).
As far as Witts goes, he’s been historically pretty robust and has had a long time off already for recovery, but if preseason data is unfavourable I might look to a Ned Reeves on his own or even as R2/R3 handcuff with Max Lynch
I don’t think Witts is at full rat power at training yet. Still on modified program and might be struggling to make round 1
Worth noting, and I’ll get it here in a separate post so it can get all the thumbs down glory (of course with none of the debate, comments or reasoning), that I consider Darcy a pretty big risk at a historically high price.
Injury: He’s got huge injury history. He got injured at the end of last year. The Western Australian clubs seem to get a lot of soft tissue injuries in preseason training due to the firmness of the grounds there, so he’s not in the clear from injury at any point in the year, even if he completes preseason with no dramas.
HTA’s: Fyfe off injured again, and probably on restricted minutes and more forward time to try and keep him on the park (with perhaps some limited success). Mundy years past his peak and has to decline at some point. Cerra gone to Carlton.
Realistically the Freo midfield best 3 for CBA’s in 2022 is Brayshaw, Serong and Acres, with Clark on a wing.
Where’s the HTA’s going to? Serong, Acres and Jordan Clark ALL better have massive breakout seasons AND Darcy manage another injury miracle season for him to be a good pick, or even if he does get on the park and perform well it’s likely only for the opposition to shark the ruck.
And then there is the whole border/covid risk stuff, including:
a) the likelihood that there is a big string of games played out of state, leading to a dive in average/price
b) homesickness issues for players
c) WA hasn’t really been exposed to covid, greatly increasing infection risk amongst players and staff.
So for me, I love Darcy’s potential and want to see the best for the big fella.
But SuperCoach is a game of risk versus reward and the risk is too high for me, and there’s minimal or no upside reward to justify that risk.
Hey Harbour Heroes
I really have to strongly disagree with this assessment.
By all reports Darcy has lost some weight and has the best skin folds of his life. The confidence he gained from last year, has really motivated him to be the very best version of himself. The ceiling he showed, ( he got to $716K ) means if he gets on a roll and you don’t own him, good luck trying to trade up to get there. He is also very unlikely to have to share the ruck duties as Lobb seems to be fit.
So in my book, there is WAY more risk starting Witts ( or another cheap ruck like Pruess ) than Darcy.
If you start Witts/ Pruess and one gets injured who do you end up with ? It just becomes a trade spiral of underperforming Rucks, or you have to sacrifice anther Premo to be able to afford a top Ruck.
If you start Darcy and something happens, you are easily able to sideways to Max or trade down to literally anyone else.
I see Darcy a heap like Dunkley last year. ( who I can’t believe you haven’t got a D1) Dunkley was a slight risk (like Darcy) ,but we all knew he could score so we picked him.
He only lasted 6 weeks, but averaged around 130 in that time and made ~$80K. We could then trade him off to almost anyone ( He was $634K ) and although he got injured he was still a very good SC pick.
I see Darcy very much in the same boat. I get there still maybe durability issues, I do feel they are somewhat negated by his weight loss and increased fitness.The extra trades help as well.
I think Darcy is a fantastic SC selection this year, and won’t hesitate to start him at R1.
Also Witts looks no sure thing to start R1 so he may not even be an option.
I honestly can’t see the appeal of starting a cheap R2.
Its the hardest spot to cover injury wise and mostly only really gives you another Midpricers rather than a rookie.
Set and Forget Rucks all the way.
FT, Thanks for starting the debate. I really like to compare people’s thinking on players not just see a lazy thumb.
“I honestly can’t see the appeal of starting a cheap R2.”
Hmm. Look at last year. Hickey? NicNat? McInerney?
It’s not just last year either. Historically the top 2 rucks almost never back it up to be top 2 again the next year. I think we’ve had one year of that in the whole of Supercoach history which was a G&G year.
ROB? Marshall? Or a couple of years ago Maxy Gawn was a 350k ruckman too.
I hold the same stance on Dunkley. Injury history. Go check how many game he’s missed in the last 3 or 4 years.
I know the forward options are poor in 2022, but that doesn’t mean you ignore risk there either.
People got lucky on Dunkley last year, playing the 6 he did. If he plays 3 games then gets injured early you’re on that downward spiral too.
Or, imagine if he played the 9 he did to finish the season (average just 78, mind you) and then got injured.
A last 9 game sample of 78 and ongoing issues about role don’t exactly scream “must have forward uber premium” to me.
Gonna respectfully disagree. I’m always happy to see people’s thinking as that’s more likely to sway decisions.
All well and good, but if you pick Whitfield then you have no right to lecture people about risk management.
Heh. Whitfield just squeezed in with the money to make a 12 premo + witts side.
I’m not confident he stays in the side for that durability reason, and he’s the first I chop when rejigging. He does have standout top 2 potential in his position.
There will be other drafts, of course.
I’ve already changed Witts to Ned Reeves but until we hear more from Hawthorn on their structure he’s likewise a risk, and it might be a look at Big O or Marshall (and hopeful dpp).
If Witts comes back strongly he’s a low-mid 500’s player. It’s probably only just the 150k jump you’re hoping for, but I don’t know that there is a good cash cow in the rucks this year, other than Preuss and his associated risk.
HH
I like you have an opinion, though this is certainly a debate I’m willing to have.
Nic Nat certainly wasn’t cheap last year,( he stared at $593.700 ) so I can’t see how you can include him. His age, injury history and time on ground issues, made for risks that far outweigh anything Darcy is dealing with.
McInerney started at $443.400 and his first half of the season was terrible. He only tonned 3 times pre byes. He also had 4 scores under 56. He was a late season breakout, but who saw that coming.
He would be like starting someone like Draper this year, watching him limp to the Byes at 80 average then explode post byes. Do you want to bet on that ?
Lastly on Hickey. In hindsight he was a great pick in 2021.
Although there was zero history to suggest this may happen, he literally came out of nowhere. 10 years in the AFL and never SC relevant.
How you pick him as a starting pick, and expect this outcome is beyond me. Also we shouldn’t forget that he missed two games through injury. Games in which he was no sure thing to return the next week. If you didn’t have cover, you would of most likely traded him and missed a heap of his growth anyway.
None of the top finishers last year started a cheap R2 all had G&G or NicNat. I just can’t understand why you would take a risk on the only line with only one reserve. Get speculative on literally ANY other line.
Set and Forget Rucks for me.
Aside from his price, Witts has no upside.
Never averaged in the triple figures, BEST case scenario he stays on the park and does something around the 90s. Durability ofc a concern.
If you’re not sold on a combo of Darcy, Nic Nat and G&G, the go-to cut price ruckman this season is the Big O. What’s his upside?
– averaged 116 in the second half of last season
– improved on multiple fronts (H2A work, positioning, marking)
– playing in a strong side
– excellent scoring trajectory: 58.5 (2018), 67.8 (2019), 82.5 (2020) & 93.6/116 post-bye (2021)
For those adamant against 2x 620k+ RUCs, Big O over Witts for the extra 130k is a no brainer.
Preuss is the obvious risky R2. Pretty much rookie priced but could be the number 1 ruck at GWS. That has to score 70-80 each week. A rookie scoring 70-80, you take that!
That was why Hickey went so well last year, was the clear #1 ruck in a decent team.
Pruess’s biggest risk is being rested after a few games like Flynn last year.
Preuss can easy make $200k and be perfect to upgrade to Darcy later.
I see Gawn and Marshall getting DPP and therefore being selected as forwards later
Preuss still needs to stay fit. I talk more about him in my GWS Preview.
He has only played about 18 games in 6 years.
“If” he stays fit and isn’t dropped / rotated ,He could possibly make $200K . It took Flynn until R14 to get to $400K last year. I just can’t see Pruess doing it unfortunately.
Even if by some major stroke of luck Pruess gets to $400K you still need to find $200K to turn him into a Premo Ruck.
Also as I’ve mentioned there is very few get out of jail cards with this play. If things go south you are in a world of hurt.
I just can’t see the appeal.
The clear #1 in a decent team is the factor, sure.
I joked about Hickey last year in my preseason teams… then brought him in later.
But, is Freo a decent team this year? This is a big big question. It’s two best midfielders are both old and injured and reducing their midfield time accordingly.
In guess you have point on Freo’s midfield.
Nic Nat somehow scored very well last year even with a sub par midfield supporting him.
I see Darcy more an accumulator ( like Grundy ) when it comes to scoring. Not majorly reliant on hit outs. more able to score by taking contested marks and getting some touches around the ground.
Starting Marshall as a mid pricer as a ruck and hoping to turn him into a premo forward is a viable strategy, but it’s one you have zero control over.
If it comes off it saves you a trade.
If it doesn’t you are stuck losing 15 points per game to a premo ruck setup.
It’s not a season killer, but it’s a worry that you could be forced into a luxury trade if the dpp plan doesn’t work out.
If Gawn gets DPP then surely Jackson comes into the equation. GG set and forget with cover for me .
money down to the wire $600 left
DEF LLOyd, Crisp, Dawson, Ridley, Rioli, NWM, O’driscol, 102k rookie
MID: Steele, MIller, MItchel, Neale, JHF, Daicos, ward, Chesser, Clark, owens, roberts
RUCK: Darcym Grundy, Hayes
FWD: Dunkley, Butters, Rayner, Cogs, Kelly, Hollands, Williams, Nankervs
jsg
Nice side this one. The budget is tight though.
I would have plan to downgrade Rioli to Sinn / Kemp or Rayner to Curnow if you need to fit in a few other higher priced rookies.
Looking good though.
I like Rioli’s DPP so one of the rucks to Big O or Crisp to Whitfield are some solid downgrade options for some extra cash that i would probably look at first.
I’m planning to avoid some of the more expensive rookies since if they all top out at 300-350k. I felt like i wasted money last year going for too many expensive rookies so i’m hoping for more bargain bin rewards. this season. at the start anyway.
I get the Rioli pick, but a few issues/questions over him:
– Does he retain that HB role or was he just a placeholder? Especially with all these kids coming through?
– Doesn’t have that great of a ceiling even in a soft HB role
– At 336k, is he a marginal D6 keeper or stepping stone?
I genuinely don’t have a strong opinion on him one way or the other. Interested to see how you think he’ll go, JSG and anyone else considering him.
If D4/5 depth becomes necessary, I think I’d prefer Coleman or even Bowey.
For me he’s 100% a stepping stone/rookie cover. Allows me to potentially go 5 deep in def and if can score 85-95 he could make 100-150k while being decent scoring and dpp cover until you can upgrade him
Open to others but think the tigers will be in that 10-12 range and he should see a fair bit of the ball
Can I ask why not Milera? He’s cheaper with a bigger ceiling. I am not seeing him in many sides and not in conversation at all. Is he injured and I have missed it? He’s been in my side since it opened, but the lack of interest is making me doubt myself!
He did the exact same last year, got injured just before season started, threw a lot of coaches plans into trouble.
In a normal season he’s too high risk.
With the extra 5 trades you might consider him but you need an escape plan.
i’m not entertaining Mileria because no DPP. and No FWD/DEF DPP.
In terms of midprice options aka above 200K there are
Sam Darcy, Ben Davis (crows) Ben Long (Saints) Coleman (lions) Joshe Sasche (Dogs) Rioli (Tigers) Tim O/Brian (Dogs)
Not a lot of super coach relevant players there. People like COLEMAN but i’m not trusting of his role with Brisbane bringing in more half back types and that they will be a good team and the ball won’t be back there all that much.
The upside of Rioli is that his DPP and elevated price allow him to be a “Rookie Correction” to any breakout midpricer. You only need 6k to go from Rioli to Rowell if he breaks out. Jordan Clark 2k (assuming you have a dpp M/D to swap back.)
Most of the breakout 300k Defenders are cheaper then 332k and fwds like Curnow, Jamarra, Brodie ect are up to 100k cheaper.
Because of this to me he seems like a high floor/viable ceiling midprice choice. Especially with so many easy bailout options
So excited to get back into another SC season! Rookies obviously awaiting further info and selection. First draft currently sits as:
DEF: Crisp, Ryan, Ridley, Short, Sinn, De Koning (McDonagh, Dean)
MID: Macrae, Steele, Oliver, Neale, Whitfield, JHF, Daicos, Ward (Clark, O’Driscoll, Uwland)
RUC: Darcy, Big O (Hayes)
FWD: Dunks, Butters, Rayner, Cogs, Hollands, Skinner (Butler, Parker)
Cheers,
B321
Hey, B321.
Great to see you around again!
Love the premo selections but not a fan of Whitfield in the MIDs.
Either get him up to an actual 5th MID premo or even toy around with a 4 premo MID structure, which have been pretty popular given the apparent wealth of MID rookies.
Cheers GD!
Would be interested in seeing what people think of my first draft team. I’m focused on going for a league win. Strategy is:
– 3, 5, 3 Premium approach.
– load up the Mid so set and forget (fingers crossed no injuries).
– After being burnt last year with the set and forget ruck approach I have tried for value (probably burn me the other way) and use the cash in the middle.
– Rookies will change but gone for (in order of preference) 1) mature age 2) demonstrated scoring prior to draft or a year or two in the system 3) those being talked up
Def
Hall, Dawson, Daniel
Wilmot, Gould, McDonagh (emerg Dean, Uwland)
Mid
Macrae, Steel, Oliver, Walsh, Neale,
Gresham, Horne-Francis, Daicos (emerg Rachele, Mead, Clark)
Ruck
McInerney, Preuss (emerg Hayes)
Fwd
Dunkley, Duncan, Butters,
Coniglio, Curnow, Brodie (emerg Hollands, Parker)
I think the backs are too thin, you only have 3 certain starters. Rachele priced players need to be someone you are comfortable to get games with and be on field.
For me that mean chopping Gresham to get another rookie midfielder (even if it’s Stephens or Maginness) and throwing that around $130-150k on more security in your backline.
Gould and McDonagh are at best bench options. I cannot see either of them playing not just round 1 but probably in the first 6-8 weeks.
Wouldn’t advise cutting rookies to fund premo selections.
That’s cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Stephens looks set for a strong season in a better role and should make some solid coin as a great on field option. Same thing with Maginess if he gets games, especially as he could get an ass FWD rookie off the field.
The adjustments I’d make, Cactus, would be trim a couple midpricers in order to fix your R2 and D3.
Start with Brodie. He probably won’t be B22 and even if he is he won’t have an SC conducive role (no chance he gets sufficient MID time). Gresham should be in your FWD line, but you could probably cull him rn imo. Being managed at training. If he looks great in the AAMI game, then bring him back in.
After trimming a few midpricers, you can then go to work on your R2 and D3.
Preuss R2 is a death sentence. No guarantee he’s #1 ruck at this stage and even if he is a managed fixture and then selection roulette with Flynn and Briggs is a possibility. Could go well at R3 but definitely not on field at R2.
Daniel’s role gets f*cked with too much for him to be in contention for Top 6. He looked alright as the one-out stoppage player in the last few games of 2021 but who knows what they do with him.
Obviously you could pay up for Lloyd or for only 30 grand more you can get Daniel up to some genuinely great options in Ridley, Ryan or Short. Could also pretty much straight swap him to Dale, who’s got that HB distribution monopoly and is set for a triple figure trajectory this season. Also Sicily and Whitty as value propositions if you’re game.
Point being: there’s heaps of great DEF options, don’t bother with Daniel.
Anyway, tinker around and see what you come up with. One thing to remember though: do not cut rookies with JS who look set to make cash to fund premo selections. Eg. if guys like Ward, Hobbs and Stephens all look the go, then we’ve got to start them.
Good luck.
I think you misunderstood my intent. It was a recommendation to buy some more likely rookies in the backline (chesser, sinn, gibcus, kemp type players) with the money from a downgrade of Gresham to a Stephens/Maguinness/Erasmus/Hobbs type.
Thanks :). Will take both sets of comments and tweak a bit more…. Lots to think about have to resist the urge to just change at a whim 🙂
In relation to the rookie amendments – that will be a work in progress. The preseason has a long way to go before the made scramble before R1.
Wasn’t aware of the Gresham situation so that will help with a rookie amendment. The suggestion of the Stephens/Maguinness/Erasmus/Hobbs type will give me something to explore.
Rucks advice is spot on and I just need to find the cash. I have $100k up the sleeve so will give it a go.
Daniel has served me well over the last couple of seasons but I think I’ll go some risk/reward and look at Sicily or similar to build the cash for a better ruck set.
I’m also trying for the POD that I can get one over my league mates!!
Evening all
TU: Team A
TD: Team B
I have a team with Dunks in it (have started him the last three seasons and been burnt… love the way he plays) but I’m seriously thinking of settling on one of the below team structures pending more intel on players having a full preseason, form, rookies and on-field roles.
TEAM A: (14 teams represented on-field inc rookies)
B: Lloyd, Hall, Whitfield, Sicily,
M: Macrae, Steele, Oliver, Neale
R: Gawn, Grundy
F: De Goey, Bailey, Heeney, Butters, Cogs
Rookies include:
B: O’Driscoll, De Koning, McDonagh, Dean
M: Daicos, D.Stephens, Maginniss, Clark, Butler, Goater, Roberts
R: Hayes
F: Hollands, Kelly, Parker
JHF and Ward obvious omissions but will consider them if they excel over the next month or so. Just concerned about how much $$ they will generate.
Currently 5.5K ITB
Team B: (15 teams represented on-field inc rookies)
B: Lloyd, Hall, Crisp, Ridley,
M: Macrae, Steele, Oliver, Neale
R: Gawn, Grundy
F: Dunkley, De Goey, Butters, Cogs
Same rookies plus Ward in the middle, Maginness to a FWD…two of Butters, Heeney and Bailey out for a “stronger” less injury prone starting defence.
Including De Koning, Kelly and Stephens means less on-field rookies
Team B probably has less risk but A has potentially an extra keeper.
24K ITB
TIA
I voted B. Team A is great except you’ll be missing a lot of important rookies imo. My team is almost exactly the same but I’ve downgraded heeney > raynor for those good rookies. Well done!
Let me know what u think
B Lloyd Hall Ridley Sicily Kemp Jones Worner McVee
M Macrae Steele Oliver Laird Neale Wanganeen Milera
O’Driscoll Clark Uwland Parker
R Darcy Grundy Hayes
F Dunkley Duncan Curnow Rachelle Smith Hollands Motlop Voss
Thanks again
TU: Darcy
TD: Preuss
And does anyone think that Preuss being on the bench is a good idea? Completely screws up captaincy but Flynn payed off last year. Probably stupid but I just want to hear some thoughts.
And one more question… who is Greg Clark? Was looking through most popular players and he was fairly high up, is he used for captaincy loophole or is he a good rookie?
http://supercoachtalk.com/2022-team-preview-west-coast-eagles/
Thanks mate… should start reading these
Hi all,
First draft complete, see below. Wondering what everyone’s thoughts are on having two mid pricers and 3 premos in the forward line. My gut says to just get rookies and add another premo somewhere else but I think Rayner possibly with more time in the middle and cogs at his current price are both potentially cows and could even get into the top 10 forwards.
Def: Lloyd, Crisp, Ryan & Rookies
Mid: MacRae, Oliver, Walsh, Merrett, Neale & rookies (Inc daicos)
Ruc: NicNat, McInerney (Hayes)
Fwd: Dunkley, Duncan, Butters, Rayner, Cogs & Rookies
Thoughts?
Paddy McCartin.
$271k in the other game prices him roughly around the $190k with dpp fwd/def.
If named round 1, is he of interest?
How’s this look everyone?
Lloyd Hall Crisp O’Driscoll
Skinner Gould (McDonagh Akuie)
McCrae Steele Oliver Miller
Neale Daicos Ward MGaines’s
(Uwland Parker Clark)
Darcy Big O (Hayes)
Dunks De goey Butters
Cogs Rachele De Koning (Hollands Motlop)
I’m aware not having Grundy can hurt but not sold on him since last year.
My team at the moment
Crisp Ridley Short W Kelly
De Koning Gould
GMcDonagh C Dean
Macrae Steele Oliver S Walsh
L Neale N Darcy Sinn Maginness G Clark Uwland
Darcy Grundy Hayes
Dunkley Duncan Butters Coniglio Hollands Comden Skinner C Parker
Any suggested changes Much appreciated