Round 15 Review

Written by Thommo on July 2 2018

SOME RANDOM THOUGHTS/COMPLAINING

After the Hawks lost to GWS, I saw a few comments that Tom Mitchell’s 50 possessions didn’t mean anything because the Hawks lost. What does that even mean? Are all great individual efforts by players irrelevant if their side loses? I love the Hawks but even I have to admit we have half the talent the Giants have in their squad so to lose by 11 points was a good result. And the reason we came close was largely due to individual efforts by Mitchell and Sicily and good coaching.

Until the online trolls run out on the footy field and play a couple of great games themselves, maybe they should ease up on abusing players. Especially ones who have actually played well!

While I’m going off on a bit of a rant, can I just say how much the ‘protected zone’ rule is harming football at the moment. I don’t think I have seen a case where a 50m penalty has cost a team a win but the rule is just horrible. How often do you see a defending player trailing slightly more than 5 metres behind their direct opponent and they get called for invading the exclusion zone. Or conversely a player who is in the exclusion zone after a mark or free kick doesn’t exit the area quickly enough for the umpires liking and once again the game is interrupted needlessly with a 50m penalty.

Let’s get real here people. If a player who is not on the mark is defending from within the 5 metre exclusion zone then penalize them, otherwise stop with the bloody 50m penalties. As it is the number of free kicks is on the rise so let’s not make the umpires any more invasive than they have already become in 2018.

RICHMOND 14.9 (93) def SYDNEY 11.1 (67)

SC STUD

Josh P Kennedy (Syd) 140 – On Thursday we saw some of the vintage JPK that has been sadly absent for long periods of 2018. He racked up huge numbers, mostly contested handpasses (11k, 25h, 22 contested), along with 8 clearances and 9 tackles. Despite this great performance, I just can’t muster enough trust in Kennedy to trade him in to my side. Is anyone else interested?

SC DUD

Dustin Martin (Ric) 62 – Is Dusty cooked or will he make his late season charge as he has so often before? He gathered plenty of possessions on Thursday night but few were contested, he kicked no goals and he made too many errors, with 5 clangers. This probably sounds odd, but the Tigers are just too successful with Dusty playing a minor role. If they were struggling he would probably get his hands dirty, but while they sit on top he has no motivation to perform.

Start sucking, Tigers!

TALKING POINT

Isaac Heeney (Syd) 18 – Unfortunately for all his owners, Heeney suffered an early head knock and delayed concussion, spending 44% TOG. Given he started the game slowly (like usual) this meant he only managed 5 possessions at 20% DE. Great for those non-owners who wanted to trade him in at a discount.

Now, is it just me or is this ‘delayed concussion’ a new thing? Once upon a time, a player either had concussion, or they didn’t, but now the medical staff are telling us players can suffer from concussion at any time during the match. So that means medical staff have been sending concussed players back on the field for years. That is an interesting consideration given all those concussion lawsuits in the winds!

WESTERN BULLDOGS 16.7 (103) def GEELONG 15.11 (101)

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Joel Selwood (Gee) 122 – Selwood could be a smart and unique option for the final 8 rounds as he actually spends most of the match in the midfield. But while he was excellent with 34 possessions and 10 clearances for the match this week, he was being a niggly prick for some reason. More and more he seems to be on the angry pills these days and acting like a triple pork chop. He was also giving Harry Taylor the death stare after he missed the shot on goal to seal the game.

If he keeps this up he’ll be joining the Sicily camp of skillful a-holes.

SC DUD

Chris Scott (Gee) – Explain this to me: Dangerfield is having a great game splitting time between the midfield and forward line in the first 3 quarters so Chris Scott decided to send him forward for the entire final quarter. Unsurprisingly the Doggies won a lot of early clearances and while Dangerfield tried hard up forward he ended up with just 4 possessions and no goals for the quarter. Maybe it wouldn’t have helped the Cats to have Dangerfield in the midfield but surely you don’t mess around with the role of a player in form?

TALKING POINT

Gary Ablett (Gee) 101 – Ablett received some attention for recording the most 30+ possession games ever with his 30 possessions on Friday night. That’s all very well and his 1 goal and 2 goal assists certainly helped the Cats but you have to wonder if he’s getting a bit slow. The number of times he seemed to get caught behind the play due to a lack of pace makes you wonder if a midfield with the likes of Selwood, Ablett, Menegola and Duncan is lacking pace? It would certainly seem like the Cats are not playing as well this season with the addition of the Master to their midfield.

PORT ADELAIDE 13.12 (90) def CARLTON 10.9 (69)

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Kade Simpson (Car) 139 – It is wonderful when good things happen to great people! In game 300 Simmo gave his usual 100% effort, racking up the most disposals on the ground (37) and even grabbed a contested mark to celebrate the occasion. A pity his boys couldn’t salute for him!

SC DUD

Travis Boak (Por) 72 – A few weeks ago it seemed like a good idea to select Boak for our forward lines but he has done nothing to justify his selection. We could have selected Wingard, Westhoff or Gray for our forward lines so you have really screwed the pooch if you chose Boak. He only managed 16 possessions, 7 tackles and 1 goal against the Blues this week.

TALKING POINT

Charlie Curnow (Car) 108 – This has absolutely nothing to do with Supercoach, I just wanted to pay homage to one of the most talented players in the game right now. The more I watch his balance in the air and speed when breaking away from his opponent, I think of Kouta. He may have burnt a few Supercoaches this season, but he will be a star sooner rather than later. Against Port he grabbed 9 marks, 3 of them contested, and kicked 4 goals.

It is becoming a worry for me that I like so many Blues players. I feel dirty and need a bath.

ADELAIDE 12.16 (88) def WEST COAST 12.6 (78)

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Sam Jacobs (Ade) 145 – Coming up against NicNat and Lycett, one would have expected Sauce to struggle but, like Tom Bellchambers last week, big Sauce dominated. After stinking for a majority of 2018, he racked up 39 hitouts, with 16 of them to advantage, gathered 18 possessions, 13 of them contested and kicked 1 goal. Great stuff but unfortunately most of his coaches would have traded him out by now!

SC DUD

Nic Naitanui (WC) 86 – All coaches who started with NicNat in their teams expected his time on ground to increase but he only spent 68% TOG again this week. Maybe the Eagles are going to remain conservative for the entire season? Either way, he only tapped 9-of-34 hitouts to advantage this week and managed just 7 disposals (and somehow 8 contested possessions!) so maybe his owners should be happy with an 86!

TALKING POINT

Elliot Yeo (WC) 94 – With injuries to Darling, LeCras, Kennedy and Barrass, Yeo played a lot of time in the backline this week, particularly early in the match, so his owners should be pretty happy with a score of 94! He was on 2 points at quarter time! This role change was always the risk with Yeo as he is just too talented for his – and our – own good. We always talk about how good players like Dangerfield and Fyfe are but Yeo should be in the discussion when we argue who the best players in the AFL are. We are talking about a player who is a great midfielder, defender or forward, who can win the contested ball and take a contested mark. Gun!

That said, put him back in the midfield, Eagles!

COLLINGWOOD 14..15 (99) def GOLD COAST 8.12 (60)

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Brodie Grundy (Col) 136 – Another week, another dominant performance for Grundy! Not only did he dominate the hit-outs with 49, he also had midfield-like numbers with 23 disposals, 15 contested, 7 clearance and 9 tackles. Imagine what this score could have been if he had turned his two behinds in to a goal or two?

SC DUD

Jordan De Goey (Col) 64 – Most coaches turned their final forward position into a premium this week. Who decided that De Goey would be that ‘premium’ forward? He has not proven he can score consistently but many coaches expected him to take Treloar’s spot in the midfield and rack up some large SC scores. Unfortunately 14 possessions and 2 goals were not the stats we all hoped for and maybe we shouldn’t attempt to predict the mind of coaches like Nathan Buckley in future!

TALKING POINT

Taylor Adams (Col) 114 – While De Goey disappointed, Taylor Adams could be a steal for the run home. Last season he was pumping out consistent 110+ scores in a midfield role and he seems likely to return to an inside midfield role once more. This week he helped himself to 30 possessions, 17 contested, 8 clearances and 2 goal assists, similar numbers to 2017. Is anyone tempted?

GWS 13.17 (95) def HAWTHORN 13.6 (84)

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Tom Mitchell (Haw) 181 – As was mentioned above, Mitchell had a decent sort of a match on Saturday night. While the other Hawks mids’ struggled to win a clearance, Mitchell managed 9 clearances to go with 50 disposals (18 contested), 9 marks and 13 tackles. To top it off, he only had 3 clangers! Yes, the Giants won the match but without Mitchell the Hawks wouldn’t have challenged them at all.

SC DUD

Heath Shaw (GWS) 40 – For long periods of the time I forgot that Shaw was even on the field. He is not winning many contested possessions and nor is he racking up the loose ball. In total he only won 11 possessions on Saturday night and I think we can all agree that his fantasy relevance is over.

TALKING POINT

Callan Ward (GWS) 131 – Ward has been serviceable this season and he is a strong chance to make a late charge as the Giants push for the top 4 late in 2018. He may not have racked up the big numbers like Mitchell but you can’t argue with his effect on the match with 32 possessions, 11 clearance and 2 goals. For those with good memories, you may remember that he recorded 10 tonnes in his last 13 matches of 2017 after a slow start to the season.

ST KILDA 18.11 (119) def MELBOURNE 18.9 (117)

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Max Gawn (Mel) 145 – Maxy is becoming the safe captaincy option that Dangerfield was in 2017. With Fyfe pinging a hamstring, many Supercoaches will appreciate ‘safe’ selections like Maxy. Now watch him hurt himself in Round 16…

What was amazing about this performance was Gawn’s work around the ball rather than his tap-work. He gathered an impressive 25 possessions, and an even more impressive 7 contested marks (from 11 total), constantly repelling forward forays from the Saints. As with Tom Mitchell at Hawthorn, you wonder where the Dees would be without big Maxy?

SC DUD

Tom McDonald (Mel) 39 – He has been quite consistent so far but this match was a horror show for both McDonald and the Dees. He seemed to be vaguely in the area of the ball quite often and got his hands to a few marks that just didn’t stick so he ended up with just 8 possessions, 2 marks and 1 goal from 88% TOG. My choice of McDonald ahead of Westhoff was a real winner!

TALKING POINT

David Armitage (StK) 124 – So is there anyone out there in Supercoach Talk land who still owns Armitage? After his hiatus in the VFL he won his reprieve for Round 14 and with 2 wins on the trot he looks likely to keep his spot. He is still not going to win 100m sprints but as long as he gets his hands on the ball under the packs, he’ll rack up decent possessions counts. If he continues this run of form he might suck a few coaches in again for 2019.

ESSENDON 19.11 (125) def NORTH MELBOURNE 16.12 (108)

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David Myers (Ess) 122 – There is always one match where the top SC scorer is impossible to pick. If anyone chose Myers in Perfect 9 you deserve to win the $275k top prize!

Not that Myers didn’t deserve a great SC score with his 25 possessions running at 96% DE plus he kicked 2 goals and gave 2 goal assists.

SC DUD

Devon Smith (Ess) 52 – Devon has been on a hot streak of late but he was one of the few Bombers to flop this week. From 15 disposals he managed only 7 effective disposals and 5 clangers, with 7 tackles and 1 goal saving a truly abysmal score. Smith’s poor disposal efficiency has been the one thing holding him back from becoming a true top 6 forward.

TALKING POINT

Shaun Higgins (Nor) 113 – Look, you can just stuff off Higgins. This week you gather 31 possessions, next week you are a late withdrawal. Stop trolling us!

BRISBANE 18.11 (119) def FREMANTLE 9.10 (64)

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Stefan Martin (Bri) 142 – No Sandilands makes Stef a happy boy. With the Lions well and truly on top, he dominated the ruck contest with 46 hit-outs and he found plenty of the ball with 19 possessions at an elite 94% DE. Stef isn’t quite up to the standard of Gawn and Grundy but if you are getting short on trades he’s not going to cost you much on the run home.

SC DUD

Nat Fyfe (Fre) 43 – Injuries hurt. Well, they mostly hurt the player who is injured, but they are a disappointment to us too. Especially when the injured player is your captain. The tough thing this week was that popular Vice Captain options such as Mitchell and Gawn pumped out great scores so some Supercoaches avoided the carnage and some copped 2×43 points. Yay!

TALKING POINT

Cam Rayner (Bri) 104 – He’s not at all SC-relevant but Rayner is starting to show the promise that he was drafted for. He has such a mature body that he tackles like a beast, he can win the contested ball and still haul in a contested mark. It may take him a year or two but he’ll be a midfield beast like Dusty or Dangerfield when he hits his peak.

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24 thoughts on “Round 15 Review”

  1. Great write up Thommo, I had Ward last year and boy did he come home strong. He seems a bit more consistent this year.

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  2. I have 5 of the duds in my team plus heeney.
    I was tossing up all week between j smith/de goey or battle/ Lloyd as my last upgrade but forgot to reverse trades before the richmond game so stuck with the former 🙁

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    1. Many Supercoaches got caught with reverse trade issues last week. Sometimes I wonder if we should make our trades on a Thursday or Friday night and just stick with them?

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  3. Excellent write up Thommo. My $0.02 in response to some of your comments:

    1) Concussions – there have most definitely been players coming back on with concussion in previous years. Main reason being that our understanding of concussions / head trauma have evolved over the years.

    2) Ablett – A good friend is a huge Geelong fan and we had a good discussion pre-season about bringing Ablett back. He was all for it, I told him it was basically an emotional decision that would not make them a better team mid- to long-term. Short-term, I thought they would benefit but even that seems to be a stretch at this point.

    3) De Goey – was a bit speculative but he’s shown enough that, with the Treloar injury, I understand why some coaches thought he’d be a good option. Wasn’t enough to convince me but it’s only been one week – I don’t think it’ll be a bad choice by season’s end.

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        1. Wow, what I wouldn’t give to have a stupid checker! I’d settle for a typo checker or a “I was typing to fast and it came out weird” checker though.

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    1. I like your thoughts Daniel. Surely the AFL needs to change our concussion protocols with a mandatory week off like NRL, etc?

      As a Supercoach, I love Ablett for his huge years but I fear he has disrupted the Cats’ structure. To be fair, the backline retirements certainly have hurt them too.

      De Goey will be a star and have some huge weeks, just a bit risky atm.

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      1. I’m not sure about changing what’s on the books at the moment because I think they’ve done a decent job of addressing player safety (IIRC, all players do a baseline neurological assessment pre-season and if there is a suspected concussion, they re-assess and compare). In years gone by, there were definitely players going back on-field when they shouldn’t have (Jono Brown stands out) but I don’t think this is a problem that was exclusive to the AFL (see all the lawsuits in ‘gridiron’ in both the US and Canada).

        Agree with you regarding the Cats and De Goey.

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      2. Most people don’t realize just how many players Geelong have introduced in the last 2 years, I think it’s 8 last year and 7 already this year. That’s a lot of youth and quite an extensive injury list all year.

        If this is bottoming out, where we’re still in the thick of it, I think that’s a good thing. They’ve looked really good some games and really ordinary other games, which is part and parcel of a young team.

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  4. “It is becoming a worry for me that I like so many Blues players. I feel dirty and need a bath.”
    Amusing as ever Thommo, so thanks for that. I needed it after an SC weekend like most others this year. Down to just two trades now and scarcely at full premo. How did it all go so wrong, so quickly?! I was warned.

    At least theSaints showed some fight 😉

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      1. well, i’ve learnt a very harsh lesson for next year that’s for sure. to be honest, i’ve had such a great run this year (currently 891st) that i am not particularly upset. best finish is 31 000th-and-something two years ago, so i have to be happy. i do still have two trades left and i do have 80+ averages on all my benches (bar RUC) so should be alright for a couple of weeks at least … surely i won’t drop 30,000 places?!?!?

        so bring on 2019 i reckon. after a year’s knowledge gained from the fabulous SCTers and with spreadsheets now coming out of my ar5e, things will surely only get better from here?! maybe not, but i’m hopeful. i’ve started putting together my premo target lists for next year (MIDs dependent on where Gaff ends up) so am pretty excited already. just not sure how i’ll make it through the summer …

        my SCT Cup run is likely over, but i am sitting top 2 in 7 out of my 9 leagues, so hopefully can hang on for a couple of finals at least. it’s not over yet and it feels somewhat cathartic to be in this precarious situation.

        good luck all, with all the carnage that no doubt awaits 🙂

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        1. “Not sure how I’ll make it through the summer”. Here here!
          Normally I roll into cricket and get my stats fix by watching Smith’s average climb… but could be in for a long summer just watching and waiting for SuperCoach to re-ignite!

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          1. Absolutely, will be very different!

            KFC Big Bash fantasy competition always helps keep me busy for 6 weeks, SCT tend to have an annual league too.

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  5. Agree with much of your rant Thommo, in particular how much the protected zone and soft free kicks in front of goal are damaging the game. I disagree, however re your comment that an ensuing 50m penalty has not cost a team a game yet.

    My thoughts are some of the 50m penalties have completely changed the complexion of the game and the momentum a team may have had. Footy these days is a volatile game and momentum swings in a quarter of footy goes a long way when you have 22 players working collectively to try and win a game only to have the stuffing knocked out of them for a soft free against. In fact the other day in one of the games, I started counting the free kicks in just the first quarter and eventually lost track….it’s ruining the game.

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    1. I meant a 50m penalty directly resulting in a win but you are correct in saying they change momentum and indirectly could have changed the result of a match.

      No argument regarding free kicks. They pay too many touchy free kicks yet still don’t pay holding the ball correctly. The AFL is taking the game in the wrong direction regarding umpiring at the moment.

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  6. Agreed Thommo,

    All I read online as I’m away in Hawaii was, GWS had Cameron, Greene & blah blah out! Didn’t read anywhere that Burgoyne, Birchall, Rioli, Gunston were out & Langford was injured early!

    Albeit somewhat biase, awesome effort by the Hawks away from home Thommo

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    1. Hi Catta, I hope the holiday is going well. In my books the Hawks are 2 gun players away from contending. Say McGovern and Sloane?

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      1. Cheers Thommo,

        Very fair Call

        Maybe a Gaff & McGovern for mine, although terribly beaten on the inside v GWS I think Titch / O’Meara will only get better with Shiels / Bruest/ Poppy/ Cousins Rioli if he returns / Cousins & Willsmore learning their craft at Box Hill

        Would love to see Gaff on one wing & Smith on the other, with McGovern playing the general role down back….where would we be without dreams Thommo 😉

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