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A bit more info starting to come to light the last week or two, mostly useful in ruling a few guys out (Lynch, Oliver etc.). Put a bit more effort into the bye structure in this draft, but still a mind-f*ck.
DEF: Sicily, Sinclair, Young, Chapman, Cox, Gibcus [Pink, Coffield]
Notes: Still thinking I might shift to Daicos from Sinclair.
MID: Petracca, Dawson, Butters, Serong, Walsh, Jordon, Sanders, Sharp [Simpson, Mannagh, Clark]
Notes: Shifted from Touk to Serong for bye structure, also considering going Butters up to Bont for captain purposes.
RUC: Jackson, Grundy [Maley]
Notes: Just trying a structure with Jackson in the Ruck line to account for the Gawndy double R0 games. Chance I switch Jackson FWD and drop Macrae if his hammy is hanging around.
FWD: Macrae, Cameron, Harmes, Reid, Sexton, McInnes [Cadman, Darcy]
Notes: Really starting to like Jez at F2, he could be a one man show at Geelong this year which I think works in his favour as a proven bag kicker. Harmes supposedly training the house down so he’s locked there for now.
Bring on the season!
you seem to have most of the relevant players.
The cheaper mid-pricers are really interesting me.
Chapman, Cox, Jordon, Harmes (throw in Fyfe, Williams, D’Ambrosio, Tsatas & Billings) at around the $250k, not much more than an expensive rookie, so much value?
Not all of them will be winners, but if you nail a couple of them they will be the perfect ‘step-ups’ to an early premium upgrade. I think 4 or even more is a good start with wriggle room to jump on or off in the early rounds to get the cash generation.
G’day all. Any thoughts?
Sicily Stewart Young
Chapman Williams Gibcus
(Hore coffield)
Bont Libba Butters LDU
Serong McKercher Sanders Roberts
(Sharp Clark Sinn)
Marshall Gawn (Sweet)
Flanders Harmes Billings
Reid Macrae Sexton
(Wilson Darcy)
And yes the blatantly obvious thing is there is no Grundy. The early bye is the killer but also I missed last year on getting Marshall and he just kept getting better so will set and forget the rucks barring injury or suspension (can also downgrade to Grundy if money is needed)
41K ITB
Cheers everyone
Solid! Like Marshall & Libba calls as standouts.
Just realised that I’m liking the early byes this year- as it means most peoples teams are not cookie cutters and are varied.
For example, N Daicos would normally nearly be selected across every team- but with the bye, some are leaving him out.
Plus- most teams different- YAY!
Have done many drafts but now think I’m getting close.
Daicos Sicily Ridley Williams Hore Reid (Pink/Coffield)
Bont Trac Dawson Butters Steele McKercher Sanders Curtin (Sharp/Clark Mannagh)
Gawn Grundy (Livingstone)
Macrae Dusty Fyfe Reid Darcy Wilson (Cadman Kreuger)
23 Players have the R0 bye, of the others, Williams is R2, and the rest rds 5/6….plenty of time to adjust. Grawndy allows one of them to be playing each of rounds 5/6.
Main bye structure is 26/27/20/17…plenty of time to trade up for rds 14/15
$86.2 itb
Hey guys
Def: Sicily, Stewart, Young, Williams, Curtin, Coffield (Gibcus, Hore)
Mid: Butters, Davies-Uniacke, Serong, Brayshaw, Miller, McKercher, Sanders, Sharp (Wilson, J Clark, Cooper Simpson)
Ruc: Gawn, Grundy (Sweet)
Fwd: Macrae, Fyfe, Reid, Duursma, Watson, Windsor (F Macrae, Mannagh)
374.6K Left over
Desperate for another premo
Just missing the funds for another one I think
Any help, opinions, or advice would be greatly appreciated
use your cash and you should be able to get one of the cheaper ‘premos’
the cheapest ‘premo’ possible is Steele at $529k. That’s just FMacrae upgrade with your cash (Wilson to FWD).
otherwise it is Curtain to Sinclair (Watson or Duursma to Jones)
Everyone should read
How will SuperCoach work in 2024
By Gunboat Diplomacy
Dated 20/12/23
On the 3rd page of this site.
I keep reading, to much cash left over, use your cash to upgrade etc.
Why?
Why not keep some dollars in the bank for round one for when it counts.
I think everyone is posting teams for Round 1 as theres no such thing as a Round 0 team, the first lockout isn’t until R1 Carlton vs Richmond – 14th March.
As far as ‘too much cash’, the reason people keep saying use your cash is because one of half of the ‘SuperCoach Coin’ is to increase your team value to achieve full premium and cash in the bank can’t help do that, a team needs to increase its value by ~$3-4m to be full premium.
The other half of the SuperCoach coin is
That not one team will stay the same
between r0 and r1,so a few extra dollars up the sleeve is priceless.
Thinking of following two options (main changes are with the rookies and midfield)
Option 1
Def: Sicily, Stewart, Young, Williams, Curtin, Gibcus (Hore, Coffield)
Mid: Bont, Dawson, Butters, LDU, Serong, Guthrie, Mckercher, Sanders (Sharp, Clark, Hall)
Ruc: Gawn, Grundy (Sweet)
Fwd: Flanders, Harmes, Billings, Reid, McRae, Wilson (Sexton, Mannagh)
Option 2:
Def and Ruc: Same as above
Mid: Bont, Butters, Serong, Walsh, Steele, Crouch, McKercher, Sanders (Roberts, Sharp, Hall)
Fwd: Flanders, Harmes, Billings, Reid, Windsor, McRae (Wilson,Mannagh)
Tu for option 1, td for option 2
Hey SCT! Any thoughts on this team? Looking for value and upside…
DEF: Daicos Sicily Stewart Chapman Williams Coffield (Reid Hore)
MID: Butters LDU Brayshaw Walsh Steele M.Crouch McKercher Sanders (Curtin Sharp Clark)
RUC: Gawn Grundy (Sweet)
FWD: Fyfe Jordon Harmes Billings Reid F.Macrae (Wilson Mannagh)
Your forward line looks like a disaster waiting to happen. You’re going to bleed points, IMO.
You need at LEAST 1 premo, if not 2 to anchor.
We’re all having the same problems. The forwards are probably the worst we’ve seen, with Macrae seemingly on the way out and Jackson sharing ruck meaning even 2 players we should be able to bank have question marks above them. Then there is a gap to a group that all have legitimate questions raised over SC output consistancy, whether it’s a tall forward, an aging bull or a flukey flanker. After that we have the rightly priced, but bad range scorers, then the returning-injured -just higher than a rookie price to tempt us – but certainly not certainties, then rookies (expensive and cheap).
To make matters more iffy, there’s also a battle Royale going on at the Dees .. Billings could end up a depth player in the VFL with Windsor taking his ‘slated’ wing role. Some track watchers have Windsor a half-length in front of both Billings and Hunter at the moment. Can’t wait for R0.
We may need to read team/player interviews on AFL….
Harmes: Expecting to be asked to tag in (some?) games.
Fyfe: “We don’t except him to play every game”. Freo’s President
Makes it hard to choose Fyfe if he’s going to be missing games.
I think you need to think of mid pricers similar to rookies- they are in your side to generate cash and get upgraded to a proper premium. Therefore you don’t really need them to play every game – just enough to generate enough cash to trade. I think if a mid pricer turns into a keeper, that’s a pure bonus. Recent history suggests they can be an almost keeper, or at least stay in our teams until their bye. But essentially they are cash cows.
The thing about this year is the early byes – meaning if he misses a game then, because we have best 18 doesn’t hurt as much. Also we have 40 trades – I think means we can take a few more risks.
Fyfe ticks a lot if boxes- proven gun, no R0 bye, in the barren desert that is the forward line this year, and a well publicised return to the midfield. I hear the durability argument, and the underwhelming scores of last year, but on balance, I think he is a worthy choice this year.
I’m in a bit of a predicament with R0. My priority is a cash work league and I’m defending the title, but last year I was stoked to finish just above the top 4,000.
Keen to hear your views and if anyone else is doing the same, but I’m going for the best team agnostic of R0 and early byes.
DEF: Daicos, Sicily, Stewart, Young, Williams, Coffield // Gibcus, Pink
MID: Butters, LDU, Green, Walsh, Miller, Steele, McKercher, Sanders // Roberts, Sharp, Clark
RUC: Gawn, Grundy // Conway
FWD: Billings, Reid, Windsor, Wilson, Cadman, Mannagh // Macrae, Sexton
ITB: $62.1k
My strategy has been to focus on value premiums like Miller, Walsh, and Steele. I havent left much room for additional premiums (only 2 spots left), so banking on these guys finishing top 10 or using some of the additional trades this year to upgrade them down the track.
With so many of Sydney’s midfield changes I’ve got a bad feeling about Gulden so have gone for Butters instead. Might regret that, but will wait and see how he goes in R0 and at $622k I wouldnt be chasing a significant price increase.
Would love to get Petracca in there, but have chosen a few stronger rookie options forward and Walsh or Young.
Welcome all feedback and if anyone is doing the same.
I see your thoughts on Round 0 and trying to ignore it as in issue, but I believe there are players that don’t have an early bye and are good picks.
If your work league is priority, and everyone in that league chooses to run 3-4 round 0 premiums ( I currently have 3) and you run with 6, you could be left a few hundred points behind in your title defence by round 7.
It’s tough though. Walsh, Green, Gawn, Grundy, Miller all look like value picks and are hard to leave out.
For me, I never used to worry about mid season bye rounds before round 1, and it has always come to bite me in the ass. So taking keen interest in covering early and mid season byes this year is something I’m doing to improve. Just something to keep in mind. All in all, I think you have a good team, just something I’d change is the amount of round 0 players.
Sicily, Stewart, Young, Williams, Gibcus, Coffield (Hore, Wilson)
Bont, Zerrett, Dawson, Butters, Steele, McKercher, Sanders, Curtin (Clark, Mannagh, Hall)
English, Gawn (Sweet)
Flanders, Lynch, Harmes, Billings, Reid, FMacrae (Wilson, Cadman)
1k itb
I like the idea of riding the Lynch rollercoaster during early bye rounds where any dud scores won’t be counted in the 18, and he’s heavily underpriced. Looking at Grundy but I just think a fully fit English is clearly the R1. Let me know thoughts!
I like it, maybe keep an eye out for any Lynch injuries. I think he is confirmed to miss R0, which might mean you’re copping an early bye without the benefit of an early price rise.
D4
TU: Sinclair
TD: Houston
Backline and Mids Premium Numbers
TU: 5 + 5
TD: 4 + 6
Hi all.
Thoughts between
Gulden
Green &
Walsh
All good picks with upside and scoring potential. Don’t think you can go wrong with any of them.
Walsh has been the one for me out of these 3. Handy he is cheapest too.
Heard today Walsh now has a back problem, injured again Monday, after missing training twice last week.
Combine that with playing round 0 he’s gone to a hard no for me
Walsh, after round 2 bye
Where does the $$$ come from this early.?
This raises a conundrum re the early byes. Walsh def in my best 22 but he has an awkward R2 bye. I have Steele at m5 at the moment, and the cash to go to Walsh. Is the extra $47.3k to go to Walsh worth it over the early byes ??? He would need to score an extra 100 or so pts to cover the extra game Steele has.
I’m looking to trade in Walsh after 2nd round bye (and start off most leagues)
A couple of PODs on each line with Houston,Anderson and Owen’s
Def: Sicily, Houston, Young, Williams, Curtin, Gibcus (Reid, Coffield)
Mid: Laird, Butters, Serong, Anderson, Steele, Guthrie, Mckercher, Saunders (Sharp, Sinn, Mannagh)
Ruc: Gawn and Grundy (Sweet)
Fed: J. Macrae, Owen’s, Fyfe, Reid, F. Macrae, Wilson (Darcy,Stone)
Going minimal round 0 players to start.
First time back playing in a few years of significant personal challenges. Any feedback would be appreciated. Please not that I have not considered byes, or looked at how the R0 concept will work.
DEF: Daicos, Sinclair, Young (Freo), Chapman, Cox (Ess), Gibcus (Pink, Coffield)
MID: Bontempelli, Petracca, Butters, Serong, Walsh, Jordon, Sanders, Sharp (Freo) (Clark (Geel), Simpson, Mannagh)
RUCK: Gawn, Grundy (Maley)
FWD: Macrae, Cameron (Geel), Harmes, Reid (WCE), Sexton, Cadman (McInnes, Darcy)
CASH: 10.7k
Hi Frosty, given you haven’t considered the byes, thought I’d point out the obvious.. you’ll have 3 key players out for R5 (Daicos, Grundy, Jordon) and 2 premos out in R6 (Gawn & Trac).. easy fixed. Structure looks good to me .
Almost a settled side. The fwd line is problematic. Tried to pick a couple of rare gems.
Would like to pick Nick Daicos but he has an extra bye which is a significant loss in a top 18 score, so need to save the Penny’s for after round 5.
Here we go
B: Stewart Sheezal Young Coleman Chapman Williams
(Gibcus,Coffield)
Mids. Bont, Dawson , A.Brayshaw,Walsh, JHF,Wardlaw, Reid , Sharp
(Allan,Clark,Mannagh)
Rucks Grundy Gawn (Maley)
Fwds. Macrae,McCreery,Tsatis,Culley, F.Macrae, Darcy
(Krueger Rawlings)
100k ITB
Would like to slide Samson in the forward line, he may become Krueger.
JHF has a Daicos comparison complex
McCreery muted as a move to the middle
Happy to get thoughts
Culley still in rehab from last year’s ACL, so maybe he becomes Sampson.
Cheers Jimmy, thanks for the heads up.
Can someone help me with my logic here?
R.Marshall vs M.Gawn
I think Marshall could outscore gawn by 5-10 ppg, and he’ll play one extra game for you which could be 100 odd points.
So for roughly 80k more is Marshall better pick than gawn?
Many thanks
If you think he can outscore Gawn by 10, you get him. I personally don’t think there is much difference, therefore Gawn better value.
However, Gawn missing a game means Marshall will be at least a 50pt better selection over the first 6 rounds. That is 10pts a round.
Is the price difference worth 10pts? Probably is. So why is everyone getting Gawn?
The difference in their price is $55k, which equates to 10 points per game. So if Marshall outperforms Gawn through the season by 10, then the bye difference alone would make Marshall the better choice.
If he outperforms by 5 pts per game then the bye difference will need to be at least 100 (taking into account that the difference will be Gawn’s average score minus the 18th players score).. which is highly unlikely
Ah good to be back!
DEF: Daicos, Sicily, Young, Z.Williams, Curtin, Gibcus (Hore, Coffield)
MID: Bont, Butters, LDU, Serong, Newcombe, McKercher, Sanders, Sharp (Wilson, Clark, Mannagh)
RUC: Gawn, Grundy (Sweet)
FWDS; J.Macrae, J.Jordon, Harmes, Reid, Windsor, F.Macrae (D.Jones, S.Darcy)
$242,500 ITB
All ears on help, opinions, or advice and would be greatly appreciated
harmes to flanders? with cash ITB
I’d rather do Jordan to Flanders and keep Harmes. We know more about the role and best 22 potential with Harmes than what we do with Jordan at the moment.
Def: Sicily, Stewart, Young, Williams, Curtin, Gibcus (Reid, Hore)
Mid: Bont, Laird, Butters, LDU, Serong, Rozee, McKercher, Sanders, (Sharp, J Clark, Sinn)
Ruc: Gawn, Grundy (Sweet)
Fwd: Fisher, Fyfe, Reid, F Macrae, Wilson, Mannaugh (Darcy, Cadman)
Daicos-Sicily – Young – Chapman – Williams – Curtin
Bontempelli – Laird – Serong – Parish – Walsh – Newcombe – McKercher – Sanders
Grundy – Williams
Macrae – Billings – Reid – Emmett – Sexton – Mannagh
Running with six premium mids punting on Parish and pressing that Newcombe can eliminate those numerous sub 80’s from last season.
FYI folks, Heath Chapman expected to miss the start of the season with a medium grade hammy.
Good morning SCTalk fam,
My first time dropping in this pre season.
I look forward to the year ahead in here again its always alot of fun and appreciate the work thats put in over the season.
My team is as follows.
DEF: Sicily Young KColeman Williams Curtain Gibcus (Hore ZReid)
MID: Tracc Butters LDU Serong NMartin MCrouch McKerch Sanders (Roberts Sharp Mannahan)
RUCK: Gawn Grundy (sweet)
FWD: Flanders Fyfe Harmes Billings HReid Windsor (sexton Wilson)
BANK: $162k
My only real dilemma is I want to fit Thomson Dow (absolute lock in that tiges midfield) in probably M6 meaning I have to drop crouch or Martin and can’t split them. I think Martin can finish a top 8 DEF in his new role if it sticks. MCrouch probably only a stepping stone don’t think he finishes a top 12 mid.
Thoughts on my overall team/structure?
Appreciate any feedback and suggestions
Crouch i can see having low TOG, maybe 60-65%, can’t see him doing any more than 90pts doesn’t show any real value.
I like Wines for a few dollars less, can see him scoring better and help through the byes.
Thanks for your time Derek.
I have flirted with Wines at M6 as well he’s been in and out. I’m just leaning towards Dow though to bank $$ and should be able too average 80-85 and make me 200k in the process.. just has an awkward bye
I like the Dow pick. If you believe Martin is going to become a top 8 defender than I don’t see why you wouldn’t lock him in now.
For me, I’m confident on a few who will be top 6-8 in defence – Daicos (sitting M2 in my side at the moment), Sicily, Stewart, Sinclair and Young.
Essentially locking down a line now and taking risks in the forwards and assessing the premiums when they prove themselves is my preferred strategy at the moment.
If the track reports are correct Martin will get the DDP and you can shift him to DEF. Marting is a better chance of top 10 on his line, Crouch is not.
DEF: Sicily, Young, Ridley, Williams, Curtin, Gibcus (Pink, Coffield)
MID: Laird, Serong, Walsh, Miller, Steele, JHF, McKercher, Sanders (Sharp, Clark, Mannagh)
RUCK: Gawn, Grundy (Maley)
FWD: Macrae, Flanders, Fyfe, Jordan, Reid, Sexton (McRae, Wilson)
Something just keeps drawing me back to Ridley and Steele. Maybe the arrival of Mckay will allow Ridley to play a more interceptor role rather than on a direct opponent. Steele was unreal only two seasons ago, second year under Ross’s game plan and an injury free (no news saying his not) Steele? I’m backing it.
JHF is just there but he’ll probably go out, Daicos will most likely find himself in my team come opening round. Not even a pies man but he’s already got the Brownlow medal me thinking
Riley, I agree with your points on Ridley and Daicos. Ridley, in particular, has been in my team from the get-go. Just not sharing the hope with Steele – I haven’t heard any news from Moorabbin about how he’s tracking and I was scarred as an owner of the Man of Steele in 2023. If he returns to pre-2023 form, he’ll be one of the bargains of the year.
Must admit that I won’t be picking Ridley again can pump out some decent scores but just can’t see him top 10 defenders , Daicos is a must , just depends on start or wait and hope to get him after bye
Def: Stewart, Short, Young, Williams, Gibcus, Hore (Reid, Coffield)
Mid: Bont, Dawson, Butters, LDU, Serong, Rozee, McKercher, Sanders, (Sharp, J Clark, Roberts)
Ruc: Gawn, Grundy (Sweet)
Fwd: Fisher, Fyfe, Harmes, Reid, F Macrae, Sexton (Cadman, Mannaugh)
Third Go at it….Think I’m almost happy with premo picks and will adjust rookies after round 0. Really keen on Short to play a distributor role and I’m taking a punt on fyfe. I floated some ideas of starting Daicos but decided on Bont for reliable captain option and no r0 game. Also like Gulden and Amon and Himmelberg from GWS but couldn’t fit them in. Cant wait to see Jed Walters this year shame he is injured.
What are peoples thoughts on those rookies from R0 that will get one price rise before others? Is it worth selecting R0 Rookies over other rookies if all in best 22?
We get to make a decision on the R0 rookies after they have played a game. We will know then
Hi guys,
What do you think for M6 ???
TU Guthrie
TD Wardlaw,
Thanks
Scicily Stewart Sinclair Young Williams Gibcus (Coffield Reid)
Bont N Daicos Butters Serong Wines Wardlaw McKercher Sanders (Sharp Clark Hall)
Gawn Grundy (Sweet)
Fyfe Harmes Billings Reid F Macrae Wison (Sexton Mannaugh)
Just for research sake, what are people’s thoughts on Mitch Owens for a F2/3 option?
Averaged just under 80 last year, and he’s still only 20 years old. Just seeing if people think whether he’ll be a potential breakout player either this year or next year
Sicilly,Stewart, Young, Williams, Curtan,
Gibcus,(Pink, Coffield)
Laird,Dawson,Butters,Serong, Steele, JHF,
McKercher,Sanders,(Wilson,Sharp,Clark)
Gawn,Grundy, (Livingston)
Jackson, Fyfe, Reid,Duursma, Windsor, Cadman,
(Darcy,Mannagh)
$175k itb
JHF may become Guthrie or Touk.
Steele may become Tracca or Daicos.
Plus a hundred other combos.
I just want it to start already!
First draft, hoping to avoid too many early byes
L.Ryan, Ridley, H.Young, Curtin, T.Brown, Gibcus (Hore, Coffield)
Bont, Laird, Merrett, Butters, Brayshaw, Walsh, McKercher, Sanders (Sharp, Clark, McAuliffe)
Gawn, Grundy (Sweet)
Macrae, Fyfe, Reid, Windsor, Wilson, Cadman (Darcy, Mannagh)
Feedback appreciated, cheers
Starting to worry about Freo!
Stated that there’s about 10 players playing mid this year- Serong, Brayshaw, Young, Johnson, Fyfe, Brodie, O’Meara, Simpson… apparently they’re all playing mid and they’re all ripping it up! Hmmmm
“10” ,…..That’s less than Essendon’s backline……
North have 15 half-back flankers
Yep i have the same level of concern! I floated my concern at youngs mid time security a few weeks ago and everyone seemed confident hes pure mid. But a number of the guys you mentioned can’t play multiple positions so it makes me worried for the likes of young and Brayshaw who could rotate out for stages of games. I’m only picking Young because of his ownership atm i’m not sold.
Young scores as heavy in DEF anyway….
Young looks like he’s drifting between back and mid to take kickins like Ridley did in his prime year.
Ryan is far from fully fit.
The real fear is how many of the 11 players Freo claim are playing midfield will actually play mid.
But if Young has kick in duties I’m happy for him not to play mid at all
As someone who traded him in round 2 Lazza, trust me he does not
Just a question.
Are people mostly going for 30 on field players and just relying on the early byes for donuts, or still taking a dedicated dpp donut, given with 40 trades we can keep the cashflow ticking along nicely anyway.
Hoping for a playing R3 and let the early byes give a donut. Need to squeeze the purse strings to pay up for Sweet if he looks like being the main man.
All depends on R3. We might not get a cheap player
Hi all
Latest of many team drafts, finally starting to feel settled with my team for the moment.
Def: Sicily, Stewart, Young, Williams, Curtin, Coffield (Gibcus, Hore)
Notes: Still weighing up whether to remove a mid premo and add Daicos to my defence, not sure about a 4-5 premo structure though?
Mid: Bontempelli, Butters, Davies-Uniacke, Serong, Brayshaw, Miller, McKercher, Sanders (D Wilson, Sharp, J Clark)
Notes: Finally added Bont today, expecting him to once again be No.1 for total points as well as a great VC/C option every week. Well sold on Butters and LDU, Brayshaw and Serong I think present value and have favourable byes, and Miller too much value to miss out on.
Ruc: Gawn, Grundy (Sweet)
Notes: Set and forget, all that needs to be said.
Fwd: Fyfe, Harmes, Reid, Duursma, Watson, Windsor, F Macrae, Mannagh
Notes: Fwd is the line I am least settled on like most, not a fan of Flanders until I see his role + trying to limit round 0 players. For Jack Macrae, I’m not willing to fork out 558k for a guy probably on the decline, with an average under 100 last season and no guarantee of a return to bigger CBA’s with the recruitment of Harmes and Sanders. Fyfe only needs to play 6-7 games and he’ll get the job done in terms of cash, durability a serious issue but I’ve gone pretty safe in the rest of my team, worth having a punt on him with such high reward possible. For Harmes, all the news out of the dogs seems to be positive in terms of him being best 22 and getting mid minutes so I have him in the lineup for the moment.
Few questions
Is my forward line too thin?
Any rookies, premos I have missed that I definitely should have?
3 Round 0 premos roughly right amount?
Any help would be very much appreciated
$67.4 K ITB
Macrae averaged 99.9 last year, I guess that is under 100.
If fit, he is easy a 100-105 player. Had a hammy issue in preseason which doesn’t let us see where he fits into their midfield. Hopefully we see him in a practice match and we can make a late call.
I think you can wait on Miller (and Flanders) at least watch round 0 or even wait until after their early bye to see where they are playing. Will only miss one price rise.
Have you thought about Steele for a few dollars cheaper that Miller?
Downward spiral and 2 injuries in the preseason so far.
Avoid.
Pretty much the same structure as mine. Daicos is a hard one, with his early bye and Maginness tag could drop his price. With over 62% ownership, I’d take the punt starting him.
Forward line is main issue for all coaches this year. Not keen spending on premos we have on offer, I think we have a fair few value priced players and rookies to choose from.
I have tried to avoid older and injury prone players in the mids. The likes of Daicos, Green, LDU, Serong and Butters….. Are the new generations of Midfield Guns. Bont is an exception he’s just a freak and CD loves to give him points for just being on the ground.
The Bont, Daicos, Gawn and possible Sicily and Stewart gives you and I a Captain/VC option every week
Like your team mate.
Good luck
I’m not super keen on Watson or Duursma in the fwd lines tbh. They may have a couple of games where they kick multiple goals and score well but typically 1st year players in their role average 50s and at this elevated price wont make as much cash.
Ill keep an eye out on Lazarro and Jordan in the pre season. If playing mid roles im starting them. Taberner is also an option as strong JS and possibly slightly better scoring at chaper price.
Just traded Zane Duursma and Fin Macrae to Sam Darcy and James Jordon
Not expecting much from Duursma, playing as a forward at North.
Jordon is a good call.
I’d have Darcy Jones ahead of Sam Darcy
TU: Z Williams & Flanders
TD: Ridley & any sub 200k FWD
18.3k ITB
J Sicily, T Stewart, H Young, Z Williams, J Gibcus, M Hore (N Coffield, T Pink)
M Bontempelli, N Daicos, J Dawson, Z Butters, C Serong, C McKercher, R Sanders, H Hustwaite (J Sharp, J Clarke S Mannagh)
M Gawn, B Grundy (N Kreuger)
S Flanders, J Cameron, N Fyfe, H Reid, C Windsor, F Macrae (A Sexton, B Laurie)
Cannot decide Butters or Rozee TU Butters TD Rozee . Or fix the problem and put in Laird
given those numbers and your question Laird could well be a decisive pod…
OK I’m just gunna say it!!
Heeney!!
never …….ever…….again
anyone else inclined towards fading Williams??…
90+ rookie value who won’t get injured till his value goes up….oh, wait,….umm???
Candidate for word of the year….”fading “
Thoughts
DEF: Sicily, Daicos, Young, Windhager, Williams, Curtin (Pink, Schoenmaker)
Mid: Petracca, Laird, Merrett, Davies-Uniacke, Horne-Francis, Wardlaw, Mckercher, Sanders (Wilson, Clark, Mannagh)
RUCK: Jackson, Grundy (Sweet)
FWD: Flanders, Mccreery, Harmes, Reid, Duursma, F.Macrae (McInnes, Maley)
Looking like sweet missed the #1 chance. Soldo is it.
But Soldo has a long run of injury issues. If you are happy with Sweet as a cash cow to Soldo or backing them at R2 and R3 paired I can see them working.
Otherwise, Livingstone and a dpp or no cover, or Naismith at R3 are options.
Thanks HH, I hadn’t heard Soldo was more likely #1 ruck.
Hey guys, at this stage looking to only run the 1 GC player with the idea if they both fire it’s easy to jump on the other after their bye due to their price. Which option looks better?
TU: Macrae and Touk
TD: Flanders and Serong
Flanders and Walsh
Retract that now with news on Walsh.
Def: Daicos, Sicily, T.Stewart, H. Young, Z. Williams, D. Curtin (Pink/Coffield)
Mid: Merrett, Brayshaw, T. Miller, J. Steele, C.Mills, C.Mckercher, M. Roberts, S, Mannagah (Sharp, Clark, Hall)
Ruck: Gawn, Grundy (Maley)
Fwd: J. Macrae, Fyfe, Reid, Duursma, Macrae, D.Wilson (Sexton, Cadman)
Mills out for half the year- at this stage
Sicily just lost 40 points per game with Blanck out.
T/U: Aaron Cadman and Fin Macrae
T/D: Caleb Windsor and Cooper Simpson
Here’s the two sides I’m on right now, with obvious backup plans for risky players.
T/U:
B: STEWART, SINCLAIR, HOUSTON, YOUNG, Williams, Gibcus (Curtain Coffield)
M: BONT, ZERRETT, BUTTERS, BRAYSHAW, MILLER, McKercher, Sanders, Sharp (Roberts, McAuliffe, Hall)
R: GAWN, GRUNDY (Livingstone)
F: FLANDERS, Jordan, Harmes, Reid, Sexton, Wilson (Cadman, Managh)
T/D:
B: STEWART, SINCLAIR, HOUSTON, Coleman, Williams, Gibcus (Coffield, Pink)
M: BONT, ZERRETT, BUTTERS, WALSH, STEELE, McKercher, Sanders, Curtin (Sharp, Mannagh, McAuliffe)
R: GAWN, GRUNDY (Livingstone)
F: FLANDERS, Fyfe, Jordan, Harmes, Reid, Windsor (Sexton, Simpson)
Both about 5k left
Sinclair Calf injury. Daicos in and downgrading Windsor to Cadman.
Still not really sure how to address the early bye rounds so have a few different teams in mind but here’s this weeks version…obviously the rookies are very tbc.
DEF: Daicos, Sheezel, Young, Curtin, Macdonald, Gibcus – Reid, Coffield
MID: Bont, Serong, Rozee, Walsh, Green, Miller, McKercher, Sharp – Clark, Hotton, Mannagh
RUK – English, Grundy – Sweet
FWD – J.Macrae, Fyfe, Reid, F.Macrae, Wilson, George – Cadman, Darcy
I really want all of Walsh, Green and Miller as I think they all have value and will be keepers but it doesn’t suit the early byes.
Loving having Bont, English and Daicos but it’s a lot of coin.
And obviously that fwd line gives me sleepless nights.
I’m considering T Swift but cant decide….put in my……
T/U Back pocket
T/D Forward pocket
Comment…full forward.
Does the team need a shake up?
A very early look at Rookies and I think that this years crop are looking amazing and ready to play….in my side at the moment are Curtin, Gibcus, Reid, Coffield, Mckercher Sanders Roberts Sinn Sharp Hall Conway Reid Windsor Sexton Wilson Culley……No room for Pink, Hore, Duursma, Watson Lazzaro Rogers Jye Clark,Simpson Mannaugh McAuliffe Sweet Macrae Cadman and Darcy….
There are so many rookies that I want that I think I have gone one too many and am a premo short….In the unusual position of struggling to spend the whole 10 million.
Who does everone else have?
See above. Just posted before.
Just like the religious calendar, Father Dougal has a seasonal sermons. Wait for his pre season sermon in which he will preach we should pick all the good rookies first, and then fill in the remainder of the team. Some words to coach by are imminent.
Use swift as a sub and shake it up.
Ok – thoughts on the following line-up please:
Obvs very early to be picking rookies but here goes:
Backs: Naicos; Sicily; Williams; Pink Coffield, Clohessy – Gibcus/Hore
Mids: Trac; Butters; LDU; Serong; Miller; Ginbey; McKercher; Sanders – Sharp/Clark/Hotton
Ruck: Marshall; Grundy – Sweet
Forwards: McRae; Jackson; Flanders; H Reid; S Darcy; S Mannagh – Caddy/Wilson
ITB = $26k
Not sure why thumbs down, unless bye related
Your DEF Line is too risky, lots of subs vest listed. Pink Hoare Clohessy, then if willaims does a calf your DEF line is in caos.
Injuries starting to build… Sinclair out for a few weeks and may be doubtful against Geelong. Walsh not training last couple of sessions- unsure of issue.
CJ and Blank look like missing multiple weeks.
Not good for Sicily and Amon
First go this year any comments would be appreciated
Def Sicily ,Young ,Yeo ,Williams, Curtin, Coffield, (Gibcus, Pink)
Mid : Bont, LDU, Serong, Walsh, JHF, Ginbey, Mckercher, Sanders (Wilson, Sharp, Clark)
Ruck : Gawn, Grundy (Sweet)
Fwd : Jackson, Flanders, Fyfe, Sanders, Reid, Mannagh, (Caddy, Macrae )
36k in bank
First time posting as the team is taking a little more shape.
Def: Daicos, Stewart, Sheezel, Z Williams, Gardiner, Gibcus (Coffield, Jiath)
Mids: Bont, Merrett, Gulden, S Walsh, Miller, C Guthrie, Z Jones, D Curtin (Sharp, J Clark, C Stephens)
Ruck: Grundy, Sweet (Kreuger R/F)
Fwds: Macrae, Jackson, Fyfe, J Hayes, Reid, F Macrae (Schache, S Darcy)
Give me your thoughts or hit the Thumbs Up for this team could work, or Thumbs Down for start again dummy.
I doubt Sweet gets a game round 1. Soldo is clear first ruck
Too many early bye players in the midfield. Gulden Walsh Touk, lots of points lost early….and if they regress in scoring it wil be dificult to recover. Adams and Jordan into the mix at the swans. Touk is the captain and will be first to play the team role, Rowell Anderson Flanders B Bear at the suns. Expecting Hewitt and Doc seeing some midfield time also,, Voss has lots of options through the midfeid.
And then Zac Jones, talk about from left field.
Windhager would be better value from the Saints.
Good Luck
Daicos Houston shezzel Young Williams Gibcus Reid Coffield
Bont LDU Green Brayshaw Steele Sheldrick McKercher Sanders Sharp Willson Hall
Gawn Grundy Conway
Fyfe Harmes Billings Ried Lazzaro Windsor Cadman Mannagh
I’ll probably use all my trades to fix forward line
Daicos Stewart Young Buderick Williams Curtin ( Gibcus Reid)
Bont Butters Serong Parish Martin McKercher Sanders Roberts (Culley Sharp Hall)
English Grundy ( Conway)
Flanders Harmes Billings Reid Windsor Sexton (Wilson Simpson)
Alot of potential cash generation with rookies and a couple of mid-pricers. Martin picked with DPP in mind and going back to defence. Only Daicos and Flanders as premos with early bye…..Have picked who I think will be top of each line…Daicos, Bont, English and Flanders. Many rookies high priced ones, but hopefully better job security and scoring potential….Maybe a premo short?
Thoughts?
Culley and Hall both injured, so you probably need to ditch both. Easy swaps there.
Billings is now officially behind Windsor in thd food chain so needs to go.
For me, Parish still butchers the ball far too much for my liking.
If both Roberts and Sexton get half back line roles they will be good pickups.
I understand the thinking with Martin, but it’s not a guarantee of dpp. I’d rather see him and Billings gone for a true premo and rookie combo.
Typo you mentioned Flanders as a premium.
Typo you accidentally named Flanders a premo.
First crack
Def Ryan Houston Ridley Young Gibcus Reid Pink Coffield
Mid Bont Butters Gulden Parish Newcombe Wardkaw Sanders Mckecher Windsor Sharp Simpson
Ruck Grundy Jackson Sweet
Fwd Adams Jordon Mackenzie Culley F.Mcrae Sexton Darcy Carman
Tried to limit round zero players besides swans Grundy Adams Jordon to good value to ignore and believe Gulden is a jet.
Jackson will end up forward when I work out who I need to partner Grundy ie Gawn Tingles or Marshall.
All rookies can change and with 40 swaps have gambled on Wardlaw Mackenzie and Jordon.
Thoughts please
What is your RD1 premo looking like. I have def 3, mid 6, Ruck 2 and fwd ?????
Thought that I’d throw my ‘two bobs’ worth into the ring to see what people think. Don’t take too much notice of the rookies.
Def: Daicos, Stewart, Short [could become Sinclair]. Williams [my problem]. Gibcus, Coffield – [Hore, Pink]
Mids: Petracca, Libba, Butters, Green, Newcombe, Steele, McKercher, Sanders – [Clark, McAuliffe, Rawlinson [donut – could change if a mid rookie stands up]]
Rucks: Marshall, Grundy – [Livingstone [donut]]
Fwds; Adams, Fyfe, Harmes, Reid, Windsor, F Macrae – [Cadman, Manage]]
$54k in the bank.
Would love to upgrade Williams, but don’t know where to go – any suggestions?
Like everyone else the fwd line is a real issue. Went with Adams – new club, could get midfield time and with his old mate Grundy in the ruck he might just fire up!!!!
Your DEF Line is too risky, lots of subs vest listed. Pink Hoare Clohessy, then if willaims does a calf your DEF line is in caos.
Hi Vicwood,
Just wondering who your defence is… any chance you can post? You’ve said a few are light on- I’m just wondering how you’ve solved it?
Diacos Sheezel Young Coleman Curtin Gibcus (Reid Pink)
No Williams, most coaches eyes are lighting up because they see 85+ average and a quick flip round 6-7. I see a long history of missed games and at 29 comming of a ACL i dont see the attraction. The Blues would be a better team with Doc Saad and Newman running the sherrin out of the D50.
The willams sigining was a dumb investment, and the are stuck with him for 3 more seasons.
Magpies B2B
The defence rookies might be thin on the ground (like most years)
I’m thinking Gibcus is locked in.
Pink, Reid, Curtain and Coffield are likely
Hore is a possible
Hi Derek, Coffield not so likely for early rounds.. a lot of experienced defenders to push out, including Daniel who will be back in his defensive transition role this year.
If Coffield is in the Possible list, we are very thin on defender rookies
Denver G-Barras might be a likely starter
Not any more – turf toe apparently.
Hawks are looking pretty light on for defenders so hopefully that leads to a rookie inclusion.
Hawthorn : Ethan Phillips (DEF) Signed via pre-season supplemental selection period (SSP).
$102k Def.
With all of Hawthorn’s backline problems he should get games.
DEF: daicos stewart taylor coleman williams curtin (reid coff)
MID: butters gulden newcombe miller martin crouch sanders mckercher (mannagh sharp clark)
RUC: gawn grundy (maley)
FWD: flanders lynch harmes billings reid sexton (duursma wilson)
Have I gone mad??? I want bont, libba, bolton but also want to take a risk for once in my starting team. also like cameron and blakey for some difference.
TU – Merrett (Magginess R1) + Sheezel
TD – Serong + Sinclair
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1077508/saints-gun-jack-sinclair-to-miss-pre-season-hitouts-with-calf-issue
First crack of building my team for the season. We seemed to have bugger all rookies in the defense, but we have fair bit to choose from in the guts and forward.
Def: Sicily, Stewart, Young, Williams, K Dawson, Curtin (Gibcus, Z Reid,)
The lack of rookies on this line, has pushed me to stack up on premos 3(4) Daicos in the guts for now, depends which of these rookies that won’t play in round 1
Mids: The Bont, Daicos, Butters, LDU, Serong, Green, McKercher, R Sanders (Roberts, Sharp, J Clark)
I have gone 5(6) deep in this line.
Still undecided which two premos to start the year between Petracca, LDU & Serong.
Rucks: Gawn, Grundy (Naismith)
R3 is a fill in. May change of who is available in round 1
Fwds: Jordon, Harmes, H Reid, Windsor, F Macrae, Sexton (Wilson, Mannagh)
Not sold on any premos in this line to start the season with. I think this year is where we can stack up on cash cows with Uber rookies and rookies. This is why I have gone thin in this line.
Overall, it’s pretty much Guns and Rookies set up.
Jordon is the only one I consider a mid-pricer, a stepping stone or a corrective trade
Grundy a fallen premo was a gun in the past, could bounce back.
Williams if he can stay on the park for the season could be a keeper at worse a stepping stone.
Let me know what you guys think.
$26,300 leftover
If you are not happy with Def rookies, then why not push Daicos back and bring in another mid rookie?
Lol! Rookies are always subject to change. We don’t know who’s going to be playing in round 1. It’s not about being happy with rookies or not mate.
I must have misunderstood your comment: “We seemed to have bugger all rookies in the defense, but we have fair bit to choose from in the guts and forward”
Yeah! Well! There’s this comment in there too.
“Daicos in the guts for now, depends which of these rookies that won’t play in round 1”
And don’t think I ever mentioned, I’m not happy with defense rookies.
So yeah. I believe you misunderstood or have not bothered to read.
Who hurt you bro?
Hahaha no one mate! no one! Just having a good laugh. Made my bloody day. Gold.
Plenty of rookies potentially down back Pink, Reid, Gibcus, Coffield, Curtin for starters.
Phillips for Hawthorn when they update the players should be 102k too.
I got to pick good rookies,
I got to pick good premo’s
I got to fill a team
I got to take a chance now
‘Cause in 24 days we’re dealing with a lockout
Lockout
Lockout
When’s the f*** the lockout
So how many premo R0 players is it ok to start with?
I’m currently starting with 4, 2 MIDS, 1 DEF, 1 FWD, spread over three rounds of the early byes. None in Rd 6.
TU: That’s ok.
TD: That’s not ok.
Yeah I thought as much…there isn’t a clear answer eh?
Be interesting to look back on what worked at the end of the year.
It’s getting to that time of the preseason when I’ve gone around in too many circles and everyone’s teams start to look the same so I think I’ll just sit on 4 outs until after Rd0 then panic a bit.
Hmmm to have 6 premos or 5 in the mids??? Thoughts? No Daicos worries me but the composition of my side seems better balanced without him.
Def: Stewart, Houston, Young, Williams, Curtin, Gibcus (Reid, Pink)
Mids: Bont, Butters, Brayshaw, Walsh, N.Martin, McKercher, Sanders, Sharp (Sinns, Mannagh, McAuliffe) J Clark, C Stephens)
Ruck: Gawn, Grundy (Livingstone)
Fwds: Jackson, Bolton, Flanders, Reid, Caddy, F Macrae (Wilson, Sexton)
Second version (at least second one published!)
B: Stewart, Houston, H. Young, Z. Williams, Curtin, Coffield (Z. Reid, Pink)
M: Bontempelli, Dawson, Butters, Serong, C. Guthrie, Wardlaw, McKercher, Sanders, (D. Wilson, J. Sharp, Sinn)
R: Marshall, Grundy (Kreuger)
F: Bolton, Flanders, Harmes, H. Reid, Windsor, F. Macrae (Mannagh, K. Brown)
2.6K ITB
Depending on selection, Jhye Clark an option in the Mids for Wilson, Sharp or Sinn. Naismith an option for Krueger in the Rucks, Billings for Harmes and Simpson for Mannagh in the Forwards.
Unsure about Bolton when Martin, Prestia and Taranto return, and what Hardwick ends up doing with Flanders.
Only Round Zero Premo’s at this stage are Grundy & Bolton and Flanders if you consider them Premo’s.
Thoughts?
What I really like about your side is the amount of round 0 premiums you have and something I have been pretty vocal when commenting on this site as well as other social pages. Having 3-4 premiums missing over those 4 bye weeks I think will add points against everyone else in the comp.
Although I don’t really like the Bolton pick.
The position I am having most thoughts on is M6….a rookie or 1 or 2 of the large number of mid-pricers/fallen premos…..who do people have out of :
1) Rookie
2) Wines
3 Wardlaw
4 N Newman
5) Crouch
6) Guthrie
7)Settergoat
8)Yeo
9)JHF
Nick Martin
I’ve got Crouch and N Martin myself. Defs considering Wines and Guthrie also
M6 has been Steele most of the preseason. But as the rookies disappear in defence, looking at 4 premos in defence and 5 in the guts (having Sharp or Roberts on field at M8 looks better than Pink or Reid at D6).
To Bont or not to Bont? Whats everyone doing with him? I haven’t owned at any stage this preseason but the way my team is currently set out i have extra funds to accommodate him.
TU: Yes he’s in my side
TD: No he’s too expensive
I pick my rookies first…..my Captain and my Captain backup plan second…..then everyone else after that
I pick my rookies first, then Capt and VC, then the remaining positions……..
I then change my rookies, change my Capt and VC and then some of the remaining positions………
I then repeat step 1………LOL
Confession time,
TU if you do the same
TD if you don’t
He has a lovely r0 bye and not again till r15. Can you really risk him pumping out 130-150’s as v or c and not having him ???
TU – L .Jackson & K. McAuliffe
TD – J. Steele & C. Simpson
Thanks.
Every year I make the same mistakes like getting sucked into…
” is going to play more mid-field”…..or…
.”is burning up the track….or
“an excellent breakout chance”
Every year I burn through trades like a an alcoholic locked overnight in a bottleshop and have none left by Rd 17…or sooner
Every year I listen and read all the “experts” and end up with a hodge-podge of everyones crackpot ideas
Every year I am slow to recognize the up and coming tyro, and cling desperately to older, proven ‘champions’ despite age and injury making them slower than my granny.
and will this year be any different?? Have I learned my lessons from frustrating seasons past??…….Probably not.
you need to go to SuperCoach Anonymous
So you are starting Stringer again ???
TU: Bont
TD: English
M5 & FWD
TU: Steele & (F4) Windsor/Lazzaro
TD: Wardlaw & (F1) Pedlar
Looking to bring in Ethan Phillips, but who goes out?
TU; Keep Toby Pink
TD; Keep Zach Reid
TIA
Pink and Reid are 2 of very few cheap rookies who are probably locked into best 22 for round 1.
Take it from a bomber tragic…if Reid stays fit, he plays 20 games.
Looking at my team posted in early Feb. Only 3 changes (seems like alot more than that).
Sinclair > Houston (injury concerns for Sinclair)
Jordon > Fyfe (i didn’t think it would happen, but it has)
Brayshaw > LDU (LDU injury concerns seem to have gone. Crowded Fremantle midfield has some concerns over Brayshaw on the wing).
Macrae is still in the team pending his injury update. Still think he is back to being 4th in line for midfield time (behind Bont, Libba & Trelor), if he can get fit.
Team only has Gawn, Grundy and Williams with early bye rounds. Too many early bye players will leak points. No Daicos, having $650k sitting on bench for a week is too much, and i’m thinking Finn will get hold of him Round 4.
Current team:
Sicily, Stewart, Houston, Young, Williams, Reid (Pink, Phillips)
Bont, Dawson, Butters, LDU, Steele, McKercher, Saunders, Sharp (Wilson, Clark, Sinn)
Gawn, Grundy (Livingstone)
JMacrae, Fyfe, Harmes, Reid, Sexton, Jones (Darcy, Mannagh)
$6k itb
I like those changes Derek. I just cant wrap my head around why you would be holding and hoping with Macrae but dropping Sinclair. I think Sinclair has more chance of playing round 1 than Macrae. In saying that, I did the same as you, dropping Sinclair for Houston.
I think dropping Macrae could really help the look of this team. Even if you wanted to take the risk and move someone like Wilson to the forward line and using that cash for another premium in the middle.
Overall nice changes.
good points. I’m holding Macrae because of my structure. There isn’t another Premium i want to start in the forward line (maybe Daniel), where on the other lines there were obvious like for like swaps.
Finding another premium in the middle at M6 is an option, it pushes Sharp to the bench and a forward rookie on field, plus finding a midfield premo for $560k isn’t as easy.
Not sure what happened to Macrae two days ago at training, apparently he left early ‘shaking his head’
I found a solution for JMacrae.
Just change the first initial to an F.
JMacrae > FMacrae
Phillips > Sheezel
Go 5 deep in defence
Sicily, Stewart, Houston, Sheezel, Young, Williams (Pink, Reid)
Leaves exactly $0 in bank.
For those struggling with Defence rookies and wondering who will get a game I think we need to have a look at J Burgoyne from Port. He is in his 3rd season and 3rd preseason ….he has played a dozen or so games over 2 years with a highest score of 85….he also had many sub affected games in that. But now it appears that all the talk and whispers coming out of Alberton being that he is looking to be best 22 now. He has the name and pedigree at PAFC. He has the great bye with Freo….and by the time his bye does come up he will have already done his job and likely upgraded.He is almost the same price as Curtin from the Crows, but with more experience…I have him at F6 currently. Currently in 1% of teams if PODs are your thing.
…..Anyhoo, I think he is worth a look and a place on your watchlist, at least
Have heard the comments about him too. Someone I’m keeping my eye on. If he lights up preseason, he could make his way into my side. I have the cash to take a 123k guy up to him if Curtin looks good too.
I’m thinking could even start him over someone like Williams to limit that overall team risk factor. But missing point with Williams if he stays fit could be big problem.
Burgoyne + Curtin D5+6 is quite appealing tbh.
Always like the $123k rookie ahead of an elevated price, but good shout.
J Serong at the hawks is about the same price and might be looking at early games with a few holes in the hawks defence (CJ, Mitchell, DGB, Blanck, Day). he played the last 2 games in 2023 and has been training good
and as if by magic Port assitant coach Josh Carr was just asked whether the wing positions was Burgoynes to lose he said….”He’s had a really strong pre-season on the wing and played well in the game last week. He’s just going to keep performing and playing well. “…..to be fair he did say the position was open…blah blah….he cant be doing selections for rd 1 a month too early can he?
Def: Daicos, T.Stewart, J. Short, H. Young, Z. Williams, D. Curtin (Pink/Coffield)
Mid: Merrett, Butters, S. Walsh, T. Miller, J. Steele, C.Mckercher, M. Roberts, S, Mannagah (Sharp, Clark, Hall)
Ruck: Gawn, Grundy (T. Conway)
Fwd: J. Macrae, Fyfe, J. Harmes, H Reid, Z Duursma, F.Macrae, (D. Wilson, Cadman)
5 of your premos plus 3 or your rookies have the early bye….just saying
Current team:
Def: Daicos, Stewart, Sheezel, Young, Williams, Coffield (Gibcus, Reid)
Mid: Bont, Butters, LDU, Serong, N Martin, McKercher, Sanders, Curtin (Sharp, Clark, Sinn)
Ruc: Gawn, Grundy (Livingstone)
Fwd: Flanders, Harmes, Billings, Reid, Lazzarro, F Macrae (Sexton, Mannagh)
TU: Keep above team for now
TD: Replace Daicos, Curtin and Harmes with Yeo, Steele and $123k rookie like S Darcy
Looks a good team.
4 premos is defence is starting to look the best bet with the lack of quality defence rookies.
i do prefer Steele ahead of Martin. I get there is plenty of hype regarding Martins new role, but there are plenty of other decent defenders in the Essendon team that might put a limit on his scores. Steele might go nuts.
You might not need Curtain. Sinn or Sharp will probably score as well.
Houston Sheezel Young Curtin Gibcus Coffield
Hore/Reid
Bontempelli Petracca Merrett Dawson Butters Green McKercher Sanders
Sharp/Clark/Sinn
Marshall Grundy
Marley
Jackson Reid Duursma Watson McRae Sexton
Mannagh Wilson
I know a lot will say that the forward line is a dangerous practice but with so many byes early and not picking a lot of early byes players means with 12 premiums I only need 6 other scores early in the season and I don’t trust any of the forwards to produce something worth forking out the money for. Jackson is the only one in my eyes with the ability to go 140 on any given week plus I’ll use him to cover Grundy’s bye. Marshall over Gawn is tearing me up but I want to dare to be different and Saints not having an early bye I’ve sided with him.
First quick sketch up of a team would love some feedback to help get me started
DEF – Sicily, Stewart, Young, Williams, Curtin, Gibcus (Coffield, Phillips)
MID – Bont, Merrett, Butters, Green, LDU, McKercher, Sanders, Sharp (Clark, Hall, Brown)
RUC – Gawn, Grundy (Maley)
FWD – Jackson, Flanders, Fyfe, Reid, Duursma, Wilson (Macrae, Mannagh)
Cheers
First draft for the year thoughts and comments appreciated
Def: Daicos, Sicily, Young, Williams,Curtin, Gibcus (Pink, Coffield)
Mid: Bont, Merrett, Butters, A. Brayshaw, Walsh, McKercher, Sanders, Sharp (Mannagh, Clark, Hall)
Ruc: Gawn, Grundy (Livingstone)
Fwd: Macrae, Flanders, Fyfe, Reid, F Macrae, Wilson (Duursma, Darcy)
MITB $18400
Thanks in advance
“Zac Williams has joined a long list of big-name absentees for Carlton’s clash against Geelong.”….hmmmm…anyone have any intel?
Just being managed back i think. They say he will play the official practice game.
Most recent I heard was to miss Round 0 at least. If he plays a practice match, or even scores in Rnd 0 then he’s in mine, otherwise out.
First draft, $117,400 leftover.
DEF: Sicily, Sheezel, Young, Balta, Doedee, Graham (Hore, Clohesy)
MID: Bontempelli, Butters, Green, Taranto, Brayshaw, Binns, Sharp, Clark (Stanley, Mannagh, Hall)
RUC: Gawn, Goldstein (Tucker)
FWD: Shultz, Koschitzke, Gunston, Reid, Walter, Fantasia (Ryan, Burgess)
10 out of 10 for doing something very different from the herd….good luck
Have changed several times and will change again but happiest balance across lines in this one.
Sicily, Sheezel, Young, Windhager, Williams, Gibcus (Curtin, E Phillips)
Merrett, Butters, Brayshaw, Newcombe, Miller, Steele, Guthrie, McKercher (Sanders, Sharp, Clark)
Grundy, Xerri (Maley)
Jez Cameron, Fyfe, Harmes, Reid, F Macrae, Sexton (Darcy, Mannaugh)
Now you’re probably going to say I have too many mid pricers and you are absolutely correct, I normally avoid them like the plague but the byes (fuck the byes), keeping rookies off the field, and value for money in my mid keepers are what has lead to me having so many.
Not to worry though, I have 40 trades and I plan on using every single one of them as soon as possible
Don’t mind the structure
Sic-dawg obviously has the issue with the injuries to keybacks but you have stewart at the price point
Windhager is apparently playing a tagging role but there’s others at that price point anyway.
Again structure is fine, just a couple of things to keep an eye on.
Bank: $72k
Def: Stewart, Houston, Sheezel, Young, Curtin, Gibcus // Reid, Phillips
Mid: Bont, Laird, Daicos, Butters, LDU, Mckercher, Sanders, Roberts // Sharp, Clark, Sinn
Ruck: Gawn, Grundy // Livingstone
Fwd: Flanders, Harmes, Reid, Windsor, Macrae, Sexton // Wilson, Laurie.
My strategy is quite simple I feel. Trying to pick as many players as possible that can be trusted and limit risk factor. Something I have been toying with a lot, and it is the exclusion of Williams and Fyfe. I feel I can run a solid team without to much risk, even though the reward could be quite high. If Flanders doesn’t look like he will score what we are expecting, than I’ll move him down to Fyfe and take that risk, spreading the cash around into other areas.
Yes, I did jump on the Sheezel bandwagon after the practice game yesterday. After confirming his role I’m happy to take him at that price.
If I need cash, I’ll likely drop Laird to Serong, or Steele if I need more, plenty of options.
i would do Laird to Serong anyway.
This structure means you have 5 keeper defenders and 4 keeper mids. Only gives you room for one more defender and needing to buy 4 premium mids. I would consider moving Daicos back and turning Houston or Stewart into Serong.
Buying premium mids is tougher than buying defenders.
Also, with their roles, Roberts and McKercher might be among the last you want to upgrade. Good to keep room in defence to move them back.
Thanks Phil. I have thought about that, as I was playing around with Martin and his DPP potential as well but haven’t picked him because I’d have essentially 6 defenders already. I’m obviously not against having Daicos in the middle all year as silly as it may sound. It could be really handy later in the season to move player for injuries, or byes or If I’m lucky, having a D7/M9 to loophole in. I do believe the 5 defenders I have in there now will be top 8, and I also believe Daicos will go close to M1, but may fall short.
I do appreciate the comment though, has given me more to think about.
Sicily, Stewart, sheezel, young, gibcus, Reid
(Coffield , Phillips)
Daicos, Dawson, butters, serong, rozee,
Mckercher, Sanders, Roberts
(Sharp, Clark, Simpson)
English, Marshall ( Naismith)
Flanders, Reid, Lazzaro, Windsor, MacRae,
Sexton ( Wilson, mannagh)
As guns and rookies as it gets!
No Grundy is interesting. 12 top shelf premiums. As per my comments to TJ, my personal preference would be Daicos in Defence so that you are only needing 3 mid premiums instead of 4. Suggest with Blanck out, I would take out Sicily.
Only Flanders from R0. Tick.
Of course the danger is the forwards. One premo and 7 rookies. No mid pricers. Can’t say I hate it, but does scare me. Best 18 early is a but of insurance- especially since you are not trying to cover R0 premiums. In fact, I think you could probably only run this structure with minimal R0 premiums.
Only advice I would give is Daicos to Sicily. Bring in Newcombe. Gives you some cash in the bank in case you need to upgrade Lazaro or Windsor to Fyfe/Harmes/Jordon.
I’m also hoping to take advantage of the grawndy popularity.
English and Shrek.
English can be downgraded to anyone if needed and should be no 1 easily.
Chose Shrek over Marshall because he’s due for a good run, if he gets it, miles in front. Can also be downgraded if needed.
The byes give me 1 round to take a bad score Vs grawndy to fix it up if needed.
shrek nearly singlehandely torpedoed my season last year. hard pass for me.
My current side
DEF – Daicos, Sheezel, Young, Williams, Curtin, Gibcus (Z. Reid, Pink)
MID – Petracca, Dawson, Butters, Neale, Miller, McKercher, Sanders, Sharp (Wilson, Clark, Sinn)
RUC – Gawn, Grundy (Naismith)
FWD – J. Macrae, Flanders, Adams, H. Reid, Lazarro, F. Macrae (Cadman, Mannagh)
About $10k left
I know a lot of people are going 1 or 0 premo/near-premo forwards, but I personally don’t like any position areas being that bare. I’m still holding firm on Jack Macrae, will see how his hammy holds up before the start of the season. If it’s too 50/50, I’ll probably swap him out for Jackson. Adams is a wait-and-see call for me. I’ll have to see how he does in the pre-season game next week (I think he’s being rested for the sim match today?). If I don’t like him enough, I’ll probably put him to someone way cheaper. Definitely liked the look of Lazarro, so I did a swap from Duursma to him. F6 will be out of Fin Macrae and Sexton.
With Walsh’s back injury flaring up again, I’m sadly not taking any chances. So I’ve swapped him for Miller, but it’ll be probably out of him or Steele by the first round. Happy with all of my other MID picks so far, I think most or all of my rookies (even on the bench) should be playing first game in.
Grawndy is still solidified too
I had been swapping between Sheezel and Stewart for a few weeks at D2, but after the sim match yesterday, Sheezel get that spot for me. Doesn’t look like he’ll be suffering from second-year blues at all. Williams being rested isn’t concerning me just yet, I think it’s more playing it safe before the pre-season game next week. Gibcus looked awesome and Curtin sounds like he’s gun. Pink and Reid look like starting early too.
I will ask this though, why are so many people picking Fyfe?
He’s probably the only player with a worse injury history in the last 5+ years than Williams.
people forget how good a SC scorer Fyfe was.
Just go back to the start of 2021 when he was still midfield, he started the season: 109, 92, 133, 125, 125, 100, 122, 84, 124, 99 (105 ave) until he got injured.
in 2022 and 2023 he was playing as a forward with a bit of a run in the guts and when he played he managed scores of:
2022: 83, 41 (sub), 84, 96, 65 ( 74 ave) before he was injured
2023: 67, 96, 47, 75, ( 72 ave) before he was injured.
If he plays in the guts, even with managed TOG he can score. I’m thinking he can do 75-80 with one hammy behind his back, and maybe a couple of 100+ like the good old days.
Its all about injury, and when that will happen.
At his starting price, if we get 7 games out of him, and if he can average 75 he will make $110k, if he can average 80 he will make us $150k
i like what i’m seeing so far
Oh I’m not doubting he can score points when he’s on. But I rather have Fyfe if if I can expect his body to last a fuller season and make more like $200-250k+ or even be a F6 by the end of the year, than to expect him to only play around 10 games, and I don’t fully trust him to do that even.
And I know other people might say that any premo can get injured after having a great start in any season, and it’s all luck and chance with that kind of thing. But Fyfe seems to do that almost every year, and I don’t want to bring in someone that I have that way more expectation of it happening again, than not. Especially when he’s coming into his final years, that doesn’t help his case either.
And same can be said to many points with Zac Williams, and I’m not entirely 100% on him either. But he has played a couple more fuller seasons, he’s a fair bit younger and still should be nearer to his physical prime than Fyfe.
same things were said about Zeibell last year
i like Fyfe, has been in my team plenty of times before. nice if i had him if he goes good.
“Its all about injury, and when that will happen.”
It’s more than just about injury…it’s also about how he will be managed imo… Fyfe will make or break your season I reckon…
……An absolute superstar in the past but 2024???
I don’t think anyone here has forgotten about Fyfes scoring ability
…good luck
A month ago I think I posted a similar comment about Fyfe. Must be crazy to even think about him, remember last year people who started Fyfe and/or Bruhn. But I’ve watched and changed my view. Just saying don’t cross him off your list.
I think it’s less crazy than it was last year.
Reasoning:
He’s back in the guts again.
He’s had a better preseason.
We’ve got 40 trades.
The forward options totally suck.
There’s very few dpp’s.
Freo have the best bye.
But it’s certainly still a big risk. At 283k you have Jordan, Harmes, Billings, Lazzaro – there’s escape routes everywhere.
You need 6-8 rounds out of him. You can’t really trust him for much longer, but you ride the rollercoaster til it’s done.
I personally think that’s too many for his body to hold together, at least without a rest. I think both Harmes and Billings (especially now) are better risks, based on Fyfe’s injury history the last few years.
There’s only so many spots for the Fyfe/Williams/Harmes/Billings/Yeo types, and I’ve done a hard cull for the 230-180k (near) rookies.
It certainly makes for a less nervous team.
Half the reason I’m going so light in the forwards is the fact I think I’ll get half those guys at the similar prices or even cheaper. They all have worries and I’d be surprised if we get more than 1 guy (Flanders) that averages over 100.
I feel there is a bit value down there, which gives you enough time to see who the potential top 6-8 are and what DPP’s would be coming through.
First draft with the focus on avoiding early bye premos where possible
B – Stewart, Sheezel, Young, Yeo, Williams, Hore (Coffield, Phillips)
M – Bont, Brayshaw, Butters, LDU, Steele, Newcombe, McKercher, Sanders, (Wilson, Sharp, McAuliffe)
R – Gawn, Grundy (Naismith)
F – Billings, Fyfe, Harmes, Jordon, Reid, Lazzaro (Macrae, Mannagh)
Backs – Pretty locked in to a 3 premo + Yeo backline. Sheez will be the one to go if he doesn’t get that HB role
Mids – Biggest question marks right now are Bont (is he worth that price?) and Newcombe (questionable to break in to top 8-10 mids).
Rucks – Pretty stock standard
Forwards – You don’t have to thumbs down me for this as I know it’s a steaming pile of ….. Flanders the premo I like but trying to avoid early bye round premos. That could all change if he comes out 115+ Round 0
Mike Lowrey,
Badboys, badboys,
What u gonna do,
What u gonna do when they come for u
Badboys, badboys.
What a movie!
Anything I’m missing on Ollie Wines? Seems to be gaining traction as a pick for this year – I had him from the byes onward last year and while he was mostly serviceable I think he finished around a 75-80 avg. With Rozee and Butters firing on all cylinders I find it difficult to see his scoring change much from last year. Do we know if there is anything changing role-wise for 2024? I wouldn’t mind having him at some point given his inside role and friendly bye but Nic Martin, Crouch or Steele are also tempting around the 500k price point as an M5/M6..
Word on the street is he is back full time in the middle when last year he was stuck on the wing following his injury. He’s never been a super Uber Premium so would be a stepping stone.
I find a bit more upside in Steele and Martin IMO.
Thanks TJ! Sounds like one to put on the early watch list then. As a Dons fan it’s pretty hard to turn me off Martin at this point if that half-back role is there!
If you look at his CBA’s last year at about 55%, he wasn’t really ‘stuck’ on the wings, he just wasn’t playing well.
I can see him jumping up 20% CBA’s and his scoring going up similar, puts him at about 90-95pts. Think his TOG will hold him back a bit as he will rest on the bench and let JHF and Drew run through the guts.
He is worth thinking about at his price. Steele for $60k is probably better value
Second draft, after looking around a bit more, swapping out injuries, looking at byes, etc.
And swapped out Brayshaw for De Goey after reading of his retirement.
D: Sheezel, Short, H. Young, Budarick, O’Sullivan, Gibcus (Pink, Coffield)
M: Butters, LBU, Serong, Green, De Goey, Reid, McKercher, Sanders
(D. Wilson, J. Sharp, J. Clark)
R: Gawn, Grundy (Livingstone)
F: Bolton, Flanders, Schultz, Duursma, Caddy, B. Ryan (Burgess, Darcy)
This team is pretty left field. My main concern and the forward line. Can’t see Schultz being a top 10 forward, Duursma is going to be a roller coaster in scoring which isn’t worth it, I haven’t heard anything about Ryan? Then Burgess and Darcy being key position players is iffy.
Needs a bit of a re-work imo.
“Carlton assistant coach Aaron Hamill says that Zac Williams will be immediately picked when he is physically cleared to play. “…
Hi all.
Would love to know your thoughts on my team.
Sicily, Stewart, Young, Chapman, Williams, gibcus. Z Reid, Coffield
Bont, butters, LDU, Gulden, Brayshaw, Cerra, Mc Kercher, Wilson.. Sharp, Wehr, Sinn
Gawn, Grundy. Maley
Flanders, Billings, Reid, Windsor, sexton, Cadman. Laurie, Mannagh
Thanks
Thinking of fading Daicos based on Rnd 4 tag and Rnd 5 bye. They do have a pretty tough early run. Also drop Zerrett who’s traditionally a slow starter.
Between losing that two it potentially gives me an extra premo keeper.
Here’s what it gives me instead:
Daics & Zerrett (T/U)
D: Daicos, Stewart, Houston, Sheezel, Curtin, Gibcus (Reid, Phillips)
M: Bont, Zerrett, Butters, Miller, Steele, McKercher, Sanders, Windsor (Sharp Clark McAuliffe)
R: Gawn, Grundy (Livingstone)
F: Flanders, Harmes, Billings, Georgiades, Reid, Sexton (Cadman, Mannagh)
No Daics (T/D)
D: Stewart, Houston, Sheezel, Young, Whitfield, Gibcus (Reid, Phillips)
M: Bont, Butters, Miller, Steele, Martin, McKercher, Sanders, Curtin (Sharp Clark McAuliffe)
R: Gawn, Grundy (Livingstone)
F: Flanders, Harmes, Billings, Reid, Windsor, Sexton (Cadman, Mannagh)
Martin could be Heeney (burn man) or maybe scrape up enough cheap rookies Toby Greene. But given the forward options are so bad… maybe that’s as good as we’ll see.
Could also go Crouch in the mids instead.
Tweaked draft
DEF: Daicos, Sicily, Stewart, Young, Williams, Gibcus (Phillips, Coffield)
MID: Dawson, Butters, LDU, Green, Anderson, McKercher, Sanders, Clark (Sharp, Sinn, Mannagh)
RUC: Gawn, Grundy (Sweet)
FWD: Flanders, Jordon, Reid, Duursma, F Macrae, Sexton (Wilson, Cadman)
Heavy in DEF, but think all are Top 6 and with plenty of cheap FWDs willing to start weaker there.
MIDs pretty stock standard. Dawson and Anderson could easily become Gulden and Miller/Steele to free up some cash but pretty happy with it.
RUCs must I say more
Thoughts everyone?
I think I’m reasonably happy with my team for now that is
DEF-Daicos, Sinclair, Young, Williams, Gibcus, Hore (Reid, Coffield)
MID-Bontempelli, Petracca, Serong, Green, Miller, McKercher, Sanders, Curtain ( Sharp, Clark. Sinn)
RUCK-Briggs, Grundy (Maley)
FWD-Jackson, Flanders, Fyfe, Jordon, Reid, Wilson ( Jones, Mannagh)
Thoughts on this??
Hey Adrian, lots of quality here. Are you happy running with 7 Opening Round premos (counting Flanders as a premo)?
Yeah I didn’t look too much into that Barry but good point! That seems a little high, I might have to tweak that a little, thanks mate!
I meant a little low Barry haha! I think I’m comfortable at the moment but great point you make! How many premo’s you got rolling into the opening round?
I keep chopping and changing with my thinking about the Round 0 premos. I think you have to limit the number of these players who are guaranteed to miss 2 games. ATM I have Grundy whose value can’t be ignored and my perennial pick Dusty because I’m a sucker for punishment. I would love to have Daicos but he’s out of my team presently.
Hi,
Can I get some feedback on my team please.
DEF-Sicily, Stewart, Young, Williams, Gibcus, Curtin (Hore, Coffield)
MID-Bontempelli, Petracca, Daicos, Butters, N Martin, McKercher, Sanders, Sharp, (Wilson, Clark, Mannagh)
RUCK-Gawn, Grundy (Maley)
FWD-J.Macrae, Flanders, Fyfe, Reid, Duursma, Wilson F.Macrae. (Darcy, Caddy )
I really like this!
Nice – but too many forwards??
At M6…
TU: Steele
TD: Wines
DEF: Daicos, Sheezel, Coleman, Chapman, Curtin, Gibcus (Pink, Coffield)
MID: Bont, Dawson, Butters, LDU, Green, McKercher, Sanders, Sharp (Wilson, Clark, Hotton)
RUC: Grawndy (Livingstone)
FOR: Macrae, Flanders, Harmes, Reid, Watson, Emmett (Cadman, Mannagh)
$111k still itb
Chapman and Macrae with preseason hamstrings, wouldn’t touch them at all. I’d look at removing both, Put Flanders F1 with another mid pricer in the forwards and use cash for another premium defender.
TU: Bont and Wines (46k itb)
TD: Serong and Steele (83k ITB)
Thoughts on this starting team? Am I too mid price heavy?
DEF: Sicily, Sheezel, Young, Williams, Curtin, Coffield (Gibcus, Hore)
MID: Bont, Petracca, Walsh, Miller, N Martin, Tsatas, McKercher, Sharp (Sanders, Clark, Brown)
RUCK: Gawn, Grundy (Maley)
FWD: Macrae, Flanders, Fyfe, Jordon, Reid, Wilson (Cadman, Mannagh)
$137K remaining.
Maybe get rid of Macrae (possibly inj.) and upgrade mids.
Walsh having some back issues maybe leave him out and get him after the early bye
I am quite bullish of Xerri and im gonna be starting him at my R2.
Question is, for who?
TU: Gawn
TD: Grundy
Grundy so much value
Im really struggling at the moment and my main concern is too many defender keepers. I’ve found who I want and the main players I want to build around but stuck at this point.
I’ve never been hot on Coleman but I never realised how cheap he was and it has really started throwing me off. I feel like he never really average well in games without Rich (something like an 82) and that everyone was picking him due to recency bias of the GF. Maybe I’m wrong and something has changed and he is the real deal, but with him in I’m too deep in defence with essentially 6 keepers already. I don’t want to drop any of the other premiums in defence for him, especially since I haven’t wanted him all preseason till now. I don’t mind If I have to run a Daicos/Martin/Young in the midfield during the season or at the seasons end. Could be handy to have that DPP through byes and if I’m lucky enough, a loopable D7/M9.
So lets do a Thumbs Up/Thumbs Down poll. Let me know your thoughts.
1) TU: Defender heavy maximising DPP throughout the season.
D: Daicos, Houston, Sheezel, Young, Coleman, Curtin // Gibcus, Coffield
M: Bont, Butters, LDU, Steele, Martin, McKercher, Sanders, Roberts // Sharp, Clark, Sinn
R: Gawn, Grundy // Livingstone
F: Flanders, Harmes, Reid, Windsor, Macrae, Sexton // Wilson, Laurie
2) TD: Coleman to Reid, Laurie to Fyfe. Young up to Stewart – Spread cash, target value.
D: Daicos, Stewart*, Houston, Sheezel, Curtin, Gibcus // Reid*, Coffield
M: Bont, Butters, LDU, Steele, Martin, Mckercher, Sanders, Roberts // Sharp, Clark, Sinn
R : Gawn, Grundy // Livingstone
F: Flanders, Fyfe*, Harmes, Reid, Windsor, Macrae // Sexton, Wilson
Ultimately, can instead do Steele or Martin up to uber premium, instead of Young to Stewart, but those guys offer enough value I can’t pass up.
With starting players, in my opinion there a 2 types. Premium ‘keepers’ or Cash Cows.
Two questions.
Can the premium finish top 8?
For cash cows, how much do they need to average over 6-7 weeks to make $150k? (Becomes simple maths).
If Coleman makes $150k, he might be a keeper.
I think if you are going to start Coleman, he is a keeper. Like you said, 150k and hes a keeper. So starting team 1, I’ve locked in 6 defenders in already, without Stewart, Sinclair and Sicily which I can see being top 6-8.
At the moment, I’ve gone team 2. I feel I was stuck in this ‘you have to start Young, he is value’ and trying to use the cash elsewhere, where i didn’t like it. But at the time of writing, I had thought of moving him to Stewart, and I like it much more. So I answered my own question while writing that message LOL but good to get the opinion of others.
I moved much the same way on Young. He is value, but he’s not a certainty for best 8 defence.
That’s also why I wasn’t happy with my team when experimenting with Nic Martin. He WON’T be a top 8 defender, but you’re starting him in the mids on the hope you’re committing to him being your D6.
Any team structure I had with him meant I had already picked out my entire defence lineup for the year, and I wasn’t comfortable with that.
Just to clarify HH, you don’t see Martin as a top 8 defender? If his new role sticks, what do you think he averages?
And what do you think someone like Young averages?
Ask yourself do you see him averaging better than 8 of the below:
Daicos
Sicily
Stewart
Ryan
Sinclair
Houston
Newman
Sheezel
Short
Lloyd
Ridley
Young
Whitfield
Powell
Redman
Dale
Moore
Saad
If you do, pick him.
But it’s a pretty big ask.
Tell us where Martin ends up in the top 6-8 defenders from that list then? Because that’s a lot of talent to be pushing out of the best 22.
People honestly need to evaluate players against their peers before they decide someone’s a keeper. If you think Martin’s a top 8, or say Kiddy Coleman, just look at their stats. Coleman had a great finals series but was otherwise meh all season. That’s why his price is where it is. It isn’t because the Supercoach gods want to give you a gift.
Being an uber premo is tough, besides a good run with injuries, luck and the eye of the supercoach gods, you need huge amounts of talent, a well coached team, good support around you who can hold their own AND feed the ball to you, because if they can’t hold their own your team gets stomped every single week – they’ll just kick it over your head to the weakest defensive links.
But those support players can’t get too much of the ball either, because that robs you of possessions and point scoring opportunity.
Martin’s got at LEAST 3 quality guys in defence he’s going to be sharing a lot of points with, without counting the key defensive posts.
The defensive distributors who score well in supercoach are usually standout players in pretty ordinary teams (eg Sicily or Ziebell) not teams that have the talent list of Ridley, Redman, Heppell, McGrath and McKay.
The other way to score is the guys who get almost all the kickins to a top flight defence and can run unaccountable because the rest of the defensive structure is so good (Jake Lloyd, Tom Stewart). I don’t see that being a lock for Martin with Ridley and Redman in the side either – they’re both attacking defenders in their prime.
Martin’s just barely in their best defensive 6 in front of guys like Nick Hind, too. Laverde will get time too, depending on how they need to match up, and they still want to get development into Reid.
I look at that defensive list and wonder how guys like Hind and Reid are going to get a game without injuries, tbh. Sure Hep D’s slowing down, so there will be chances. But no coach is gonna be leaving guys like that in the twos yet while their bodies are still capable.
Martin will get a spot, and a bit of midfield rotation, he’s far too good not to in their 22. But most likely he’s gonna get moved into flexible roles, and what we’ve seen in preseasons is mostly depth training.
Great write HH and really in-depth.
To answer your question, I think its very much achievable that Martin averages 100 flat, which is only a 12 point increase. That’s if this role sticks. I don’t think he’ll get many CBA’s.
It sounds like they want the ball in his hands exiting D50 and transitioning up the ground, which is good signs. How much of that ball split between the 3 (Ridley/Redman and Martin) will be interesting. We will need to see another game that’s for sure. Hopefully a bit of nature progression takes him to next step as well as Essendon actually performing consistently to help him get his points. As you said, he’s far too good not to be in that side.
Definitely given me more headaches that’s for sure haha. As for Coleman, I agree. I looked at his numbers and went ugh. But never noticed his price. Always thought he was 450k for some reason. Seeing him at 398k surprised me but I couldn’t go there anymore.
The other thing to consider is of course virtually no winning team ends up with the top 6, top 8 or even top 10 in every position.
They usually end up hanging on to a bunch of players who are not quite there but are good enough that they don’t deserve a trade out. Saving trades for cashflow or other upgrades is a really important thing. I wouldn’t normally burn a trade for a 5 point better player, because usually there’s a bigger problem elsewhere in your side.
As such if Martin can average even 95 and play 21-22 games he’s absolutely good enough to be in the side for the season, especially if/when he gets dpp. Of the players still playing this year, there was only 7 guys who averaged over 100 and 10 who averaged 95 last year.
So no, I still don’t see him as a top 8 defender. I’d need more data to convince myself he’s going to get close enough to be one, and a 12 point increase in average is only 60k so I can wait for that data (and indeed his dpp). I can make more money elsewhere pretty easily.
If the remaining structure of your team means you can slot him in but not step to that next level of premos then I still think he’s a good pick, mind you.
Just right now my team doesn’t work out that way, so he’s not going to be in there.
In regards to Coleman. Finals scores don’t count to supercoach pricing/season average.
A player who suddenly comes good in the finals (or even starts playing full game time) can be supercoach gold.
But it’s risky, as usually it means they’re a last choice player due to injury and their role isn’t secure next year.
Not saying Coleman will not have a secure role, just explaining why his price is so low.
Coleman will make a great D7 after the byes to cover injuries
D1#35
D2Sicily
D3Sheezel
D4Stewart
D5Sinclair
D6Houstan/Young/Ryan
3rd draft in, think I’m crazy looking around as to what I’ve done.
Especially when actually considering Lynch.
D: Stewart, Sheezel, Short, H.Young, Coleman, D’Ambrosio (Gibcus, Coffield)
M: Butters, LBU, Serong, Green, Jordon, T.Dow, McKercher, Sanders
(J.Sharp, J.Clark, Wehr)
R: Gawn, Grundy (Naismith)
F: Flanders, Lynch, Harmes, H.Reid, Sexton, Wilson (Cadman, Darcy)
Team to date:
Def: Sicily, Stewart, Young, Williams, K Dawson, Curtin, (Gibcus, Coffield)
Mid: Bont, Laird, Libba, J Dawson, Butters, Sanders, McKercher, Windsor (Roberts, Sharp, Mannagh)
Ruck: Gawn, Grundy (E Read)
Fwd: Flanders, Jordan, Harmes, Reid, Lazzaro, F Macrae, (Sexton, Cadman)
Pretty settled at this point in time but rookies may shift a bit with a few more practice matches to come.
Also having some doubts on Gawn’s durability and the potential of not having his reliable mids at his feet (Brayshaw & Oliver) and Melbourne overall. Reckon they could fall off the cliff this season, very disruptive preseason to date. Need $57k to upgrade to Marshall (with better bye structure) – could be easily achieved by trading out E Read (R3) for a cheap R3.
2 bulldogs and 2 crows in midfield?
Yep Stephen,
No affiliation with either club, both sides run big numbers in the midfield without affecting each other’s output. The Adelaide Crouch effect is a misnomer. The side may not look pretty with a variety of jumpers but I looking for points, not cosmetics. Also zero early byes, in a traditional season I would run Daicos, Green and Gulden but not this year.
Feel free to share your team Stephen. Not for criticism, just for balance. SC is a completely subjective game.
Max is a endurance beast, has so many avenues to scoring, still has Viney and Traca for HTA, and it would be no surprise for Oliver to start RD0 with 70% field time for the first month.
That said Xerri is a interesting option For R2
If i was a betting man, i’d have Oliver at $1.60 to be playing round 1
Hi. Keep swapping these two. Thoughts
Tu. Tom Green
Td. LDU
Tom would get the nod if he didn’t have an early bye.
TU: marshall, serong (M5), mannagh (bench)
TD: english, n martin (M5), lazzaro (bench)
thanks! so then…
TU: young + n martin
TD: coleman + serong
For pure point scoring…….
TU – DÁmbrosio
TD – Gibcus
TU – J. Dawson
TD – T. Liberatore
TIA and feel free to reply why!
I went Libba.Dawson is a gun but relies on some kick ins and the odd long goal for his extra points. Teams took that away with a tag at times last year. I had him in my side the last 2 years but not this year. Libba has a style that is replicable game after game and with the other doggie mids being so good teams don’t really bother tagging in the guts against them, ashes to ashes and all that ….it’s the outside run they try to shut down .
Settled on this after the practice games. Leaves $500 itb.
Def: Daicos, Stewart, Sheezel, Young, Williams, Coffield (Gibcus, Phillips)
Mid: Bont, Butters, LDU, Serong, Crouch, Mckercher, Sanders, Hustwaite (Wilson, Sharp, Wehr)
Ruc: Gawn, Grundy (Livingstone)
Fwd: Flanders, Fyfe, Billings, Reid, Lazzaro, Sexton (Macrae, Mannagh)
Pretty happy with most of my team. Would prefer N Martin over Crouch if i had the cash. Also not sold on Phillips JS and Fyfe but given the price and his role its worth taking the risk given the forward line status.
Any suggestions welcome!
TU: Gawn & Grundy + $40k
TD: English & Xerri
2 early bye players vs no early byes
Yes, i have been looking at the Marshall Xerri combo to avoid the early byes and a point of difference.
It looks as if Darcy might take some time away from English this year in the RK. ?
But Grundy is sooooooo cheap.
Marshall’s run after the bye with so many games at Marvel is amazing.
Even thinking Grundy and Xerri is a decent starting combo.
TU –
DEF: Daicos, Sicily, Sheezel, Williams, Curtin, Coffield (Gibcus, Hore)
MID: Bont, Trac, Dawson, Butters, Miller, McKercher, Sanders, Sharp (Roberts, Clark, Wilson)
RUCK: Gawn, Grundy (Maley)
FWD: Flanders, Fyfe, Jordon, Harmes, Reid, F Macrae (Lazzaro, Mannagh)
$84k remaining
TD –
DEF: Sicily, Sheezel, Young, Williams, Curtin, Coffield (Gibcus, Hore)
MID: Bont, Petracca, Walsh, Miller, N Martin, Tsatas, McKercher, Sharp (Sanders, Clark, Brown)
RUCK: Gawn, Grundy (Maley)
FWD: Macrae, Flanders, Fyfe, Jordon, Reid, Wilson (Cadman, Mannagh)
$137k remaining
I am running the exact same midfield as your TU side at present
TU Petracca
TD Guilden
Is James Jordan a must have?
With Luke Parker out with a broken arm, I’d say Jordon’s value just went up a tad.
I see jordan more on the wing for the swans.
Thought the same. Obviously Adams slots straight in there but Jordan will at least gain more rotation time.
Think he’s a good choice that could average 75 on field while making 150k. Parker out means he, Adams and sheldrick will get more mid time. Don’t understand all the hate
Adams would be the beneficiary
I don’t think there’s hate, so much as at 275k and playing on the wing with some mid rotation he’ll be a pretty slow burn to get his 150k.
As such he’s not a “must have”.
I had him all preseason and just recently dropped him. The injury to Parker increases his likely cashflow speed with more midfield time early but not really impacts his top price.
If we just look at Sydney players, 120k less for Roberts will see similar cashflow sooner, and a useful dpp/depth player if kept, even with a 60 point average. That’s if you even want Round 0 players.
Only flaw with this argument is I feel Roberts still big opportunity to be the Sub & that really kills potential upside.
Can see this changing another few times but currently:
DEF: Daicos, Sheezel, Young, Williams, Gibcus, Reid (Coffield, Phillips)
MID: Bont, Trac, Dawson, Butters, Guilden, McKercher, Sanders, Roberts (Sharp, Clark, Wilson)
RUCK: Gawn, Grundy (Maley)
FWD: Jackson, Bolton, Jordon, Harmes, F Macrae, Sexton (Cadman, Jones)
Watch R0: Flanders, Touk, Billings
R0 Place Holders/watch: Bolton, Jordon, Cadman
H.Reid left out, want to see more before I commit, happy to trade in if he proves me wrong and I don’t trust WC getting any better.
Burnt by Flanders/Fyfe last year but maybe tempted by Flanders again if does well R0.
Lower priced rookies subject to changes. Lazzaro prob the one I’d like to get in. Cadman may not be Best 22 but whoever fits there will do me.
TU NWM
TD Coleman
About reid i do agree eagles are shit and will ruin this kids career before it gets started he will end up the cats or pies next year or in 2
My team is taking a few chances on 4 players but hopefully it pays of
Def. D Houston. H young. Sezeel. H himmelberg. D Curtin. N coffield. Z Reid. E phillips.
Mids j Dawson. E gulden. C serong. C rozee. M holmes. J jorden. N watson. R Sanders. Bench d wilson. Jye Clarke. J sharp.
Rucks m gawn. L jackson. Bench f maley.
Fwds. T green j Finlayson. B Humphries. J billings. H Reid. S mannagh. Bench sexton a cadmen.
I know I have no sicelly no stewart no bont no dicos. I do how ever have the brownlo winner or he get close max holmes. And the nab raising star winner in j clark. It’s holmes time to burn and no one has him.