Jacky, a true G&R team here. I like the structure and the picks. My only point would be Greenwood. For my money I think Steven or Brayshaw offer similar returns at a cheaper price.
Good luck, you’re off to a good start. …M
Hi guys,
I’d like to start by saying how much I enjoy reading all of this, I am fairly new to the country and very new to afl & supercoach.
You are all very helpful and all of your thoughts are super interesting to read.
This is my second year playing and that’s a draft for my “side” team that breaks few holy rules:
Sicily, Simpson
Doedee, Young
Williamson, Bianco (Rivers Gould)
Whitefield, Martin
Heeney, Hill
Honey, Cavarra (Cameron, Mahony)
9400$ in the bank
Destroy it!
Few unpopular picks, I know.
Few must-have players missing and one too many Mid-price.
I guess I made few choices for the sake of the discussion.
Best way to learn 😀
Mass, Simpson is. No for me, much prefer Docherty. Walsh in the mids was a great pick up last year but will not be a top 10 mid this year, so I don’t see any upside. Too expensive to generate cash for an upgrade and not good enough yet to be a keeper. Goldy is interesting. I looked at that choice myself and may still end up there but I am concerned about his age and durability.
Good luck this year….M
Great stuff Mass. And welcome to this awesome community. I don’t mind a risk myself and actually quite like the Walsh pick IFF he’s playing in the guts this year. He did in their first intra-club game which is very positive, but it’s still early days.
Have to agree that the long-sleeved Simpson is now cooked. Yes he’s cheap, but is on the inevitable slide toward SC oblivion. It was good while it lasted. There are plenty of better, cheaper options going the other way!
Finally, I’d be starting Grawndy. Goldy finished last year on fire and apparently is looking great, but I just think it’ll save you a trade and heartache. He’s getting on.
For now, I’d have a play around with Goldy and Simpson OUT and Gawn IN and see what the remaining cash will afford you in the backline.
Still very early days, but reckon you have a pretty good steer on where you’re heading. And there’s nothing wrong with a couple of informed risks 😉
Good luck and look forward to seeing you around the traps.
Thanks guys, really appreciate the time and thoughts you spent over my team.
I come from Europe and fantasy football (soz, I’m not calling it soccer :D) has always been a big chunk of my spare time and a huge social space. This forum to me is a great way to recreate that spirit and it is great to be virtually part of a community as enthusiastic about the game as the one back home!
I’ll definitely take on board your input.
Simpson was initially a choice dictated by the last two years numbers and by the fact that he’s one of the first players I picked when I started last year and I was going sentimental and thought about keeping ew “veterans” in the seasons ahead.
That being said he’s number one in my trade list for the start of the season.
I like the Walsh pick as I think he’ll improve, perhaps just enough to upgrade him to a keeper in the higher half of the 500k bracket.
I’ll play around with the Gawn trade and see if I manage to like the D2 that I end up with to replace Simpson.
I’ll keep you posted.
Thanks again and good luck to you all for the season.
FWD: Whitfield, Martin, Heeney, Hill, Cockatoo, Rankine, Cahill, King
I like the look of Lloyd as being somewhat PODish. DBJ I believe can produce the same if not better output than Houston for a little cheaper. Would like to find room for Sicily as I believe he is unders.
MIDS: pretty similar setup to most others. Taranto is one I like as a somewhat cheaper premium to up his scoring. Rucks don’t need explanation.
Not messing about in the Forward line until I can be sure on roles for some of those cheaper options eg. Steven, Smith, Greenwood etc.
Not so sure about that. Houston ave’d 94 when playing MID last year. Yes he’s underpriced, but he’ll need to hold the role AND improve a fair bit to be a keeper.
DB-J is interesting. Can be in and out of games as his score of 7 (yes, seven) toward the end of last year proves. And he played the full game! Don’t doubt he could be a keeper, but think there are a few underpriced, less risky options.
Just my thoughts.
Did not think that 7 game was a full game. That’s very ordinary! But, still think that the running HB/distributor role seems to be his bases on last year; the main reason for selecting him. And considering most of my side seems relatively safe, it’s a risk I’m willing to take at this stage.
I reckon he’s a good pick. A gamble yes, but I’m inclined to think it’ll pay off. There’s enough pressure in their list now to keep him honest. He’s earned the spot and will likely improve. He should have less down games in 2020 and have an increase in ceiling. He’s still young and experience and fitness (another pre-season) should ensure he doesn’t have THOSE games. The 7, could be a blessing, given it makes him that little bit cheaper. ie, ‘underpriced’ 😉
Good luck. I might just follow you 😉
I’m not quite on the Houston train just yet either. The period during which he was playing pure MID he also put up a 54, pre-season will be telling.
On the other hand, I’m quite a fan of DBJ. Got as my D2 in most of my drafts, hoping he retains the HB receiver role and carries last year’s hot form into 2020.
I’ve chalked the 7 up to Port just getting pumped.
Lancelot, your comments say it all. For me, I prefer Sicily to Lloyd as I think they will have similar scores if Sicily stays down back. I don’t think Lloyd will increase in price, so I plan to pick him up later in the year. Good luck…..M
Cheers Maximus! Yeah agree with your point on Sicily and Lloyd. But need to be convinced that he’ll be a permanent interceptor. If so, I’ll find a way to get him
I didn’t comment/post all that often last year. I think my handle was Kram from memory. Decided I might be a bit more active this year after observing last season and enjoying what everyone on this site was offering in terms of content/advice. Not sure why, but Lancell was just the first thing that came mind when choosing an alias.
Hard not to like it considering I’ve gone for the same stricture ;))You’d be good to leave that until you can see some form in the Marsh Community Series.
You are only able to make this team because you’ve selected the cheapest rookies you can imagine picking, including two guys under 110k and a lot of 117k rookies who have limited chance of being named round one. You’ll either choose this team and you will have a terrible time with rookies or you will need to pick other players. I really don’t understand why you’ve constructed a team in that way because it’s basically pointless because you won’t be able to pick it come round one. You will need to at least downgrades like Williams to Laird and Neale to Dunkley
It’s guns and rookies for the sake of it as well, there’s better value than Lloyd, Williams and Neale to be found and you’ve got 13 premium starters with a team that has incredibly cheap rookies, whilst others have got 14 potential premium starters (with 3-4 midpricers including Docherty & Houston) with more expensive rookies.
Hi Trent, theres a post on the AFL site about Melbournes latest match simulation and how well Martin performed. Hes on my radar but will wait for Marsh series b4 making a decision.
Thanks for feedback Allsaints I see
above that your not convinced
Houston will be a keeper I think
you have scared me of him. LOL
So I can swap Starcevich to Worrell
and just have enough money for
Rich or Laird instead of Houston.
Hi Jez,
I like your team. Solid Mid, Ruck and FWD.
But Your defence doesnt inspire me a lot of confidence. Doch has had a double ACL. His Chance of getting injured during the season is real. At least it would affect his flexibility and agility so he could still be a slighly different player.
Houston has already played in the mid for few games last season and didnt set the world on fire. Last year I took a punt on McGrath for the same thinking and he wasnt a keeper so I ended up wasting a trade.
However I also Have Sicily but we are expecting that few ifs go his way. Thats is reallistically a top 10 guarantee rather than top 6.
Just putting it out there. Then AllSaints has the same rationale as you so you may maybe have more faith than me?
Hi Jeannot
Thanks for your advice I think
your brought up some good points
with Houston possibly not been a
Keeper, Docherty will his knee hold
up and will Sicily go back to been
a intercept half back role I think he
will seen Frost and Patton have
been recruited the Jlt games should
give us some sort of idea how
Hawthorn set up.
I will see what else I can do with
the backline. I would like to get Lloyd and Williams that means a
different structure all together.
Team looks great, but:
I’d go one deeper in the MIDs at the cost of either your DEF or FWD line. There are at least 5 MIDs you can be 99% sure will average 115 for the season. Lachie might up FWD but on those two lines there isn’t another single player I’d put money on.
My only other point is that Tom STEWART has been struggling with a niggling groin issue for a while now. He’ll be undercooked for sure. Given his ultra consistency and bye, I’d now be looking to pick him up thru the byes, if at all. His price will never explode as he has a high floor and low ceiling. It’s a shame because he was my #2 DEF pick at the end of last season for 2020. But not now.
Trent McKenzie (Port Adelaide) only played a few games last year this year and did OK, $298,000 defender has high projected scores, anybody got any comments
He played one game and scored 100+.
It was an outlier score if you look at his last 8 years!! I’d steer well clear unless we see a significant role change in the Marsh Series, but that’s v unlikely.
Powell-Pepper has been slated for a role forward. Rocky had more surgery on his shoulders in the off season so there is room for Houston although Rozee might want more time in there as well.
Hanners is injured but should be ok in time. Still underpriced, but unsure he’ll ever be a premo again, and cannot see him earning the 150k otherwise.
And there’s the issue. You have Sicily, GG, Heeney and your 5 mid premos.
Steven at a stretch if all goes well, but you certainly can’t count him yet. So only 9 premos.
Then, where other people would have 2 more premos and a top pick rookie or a discounted injured player, you have some high priced, risky midpricers who need to perform as full premos for you, because they will neither generate sufficient cash nor points for you otherwise.
Lynch, Smith, Hanners, Wingard, Houston on top of Doedee, Hill and Steven means you really need to get at least 5 or 6 of them right.
Doedee Hill and Steven look like they can make enough money that they don’t HAVE to make keeper status.
The other 5 is around a 5th of budget and I can’t see how any of them end up a keeper.
I like the thinking. It is outside the box but you can back it with numbers.
I dont think Sauce is the Ruck I would consider in that scenario. ROB or Goldstein will do the same thing and offer you more. Plus they have the outside chance of pushing for R2. I like ROB and I believe he’ll improve this season. So just for the sake of the argument I will do:
Positives: if things go well, you’ll end up with 2 keepers or needing very little to upgrade 2 players into 2 top premos. And you get nice points along the way.
Negatives: Gawn goes mental and averages over 120. In which case you may need 2 trades or come up with $100k + to get him. Brayshaw could still be a M8 you can carry close to the finals depending on the trades you have left.
My gut feelings tells me that this year we will see a change in R1 and R2. My catious self says dont tinker with what works and is proven. And as you said Chameleon, Damned if you do , damned if you dont.
Strategies and planning are keys. Proper Execution is crutial. Some luck along the the way helps. No player is guaranteed to not get injured.
What Do you think?
TU : G+G (Stay with the devil you know)
TD: G+ another (take a chance . Before G+G, we had the Cox curse, it may strike
again)
Hey Guys, I just read the Ruck combo. analysts.
See my reply to Bluebagger above on thoughts about the Ruck mathematics.
Remember the crystal ball is always a little hazy whether we apply mathematics or statistics to the problem.
It’s normally viewed with tunnel vision from our hearts. HOPE.
It’s not just your structure (that should really be determined by the rookie availability anyway). Its more about the amount of true keepers to midpriced /stepping stone types.
If (as you say) you only start 11 keepers, that means to get to full Premo you will need to upgrade 11 players to get to 22 on field.
This will require 22 ( 1up 1 down) trades. that leaves only 8 trades.
We usually allocate 2/3 trades for corrections over weeks 2/4 as prices change and the best rookies show themselves.
This could leave you with as little as 5 trades for all injuries for the whole year.
This is essentially why most experienced coaches structure their teams with a minimum of 12 keepers + a couple of midpriced/ fallen Premo’s that could/may become keepers. Think : Smith , Stevens, even Roberton.
This gives you way more wiggle room as you should get to full Premo with at least 8 trades for LTI’s.
Thanks Freo. Valid points on where the weekness is in this structure.
This year with value down back with Doch, Doedee ,Robbo, Hill, and the value up front, have you considered a five Premo midfield with a Taranto or another player around his price point at M6.
G&G in the Ruck line.
The more I move players around the more I can see this working.
Naturally this is all based on players staying fit, up to the byes.?
Firstly if you do go with all of Doc, Roberton, Doedee and S Hill. Nearly ALL your Backline is is coming off serious long term injuries. Theres a whole lot of risk that one or more will be re-injured at some stage. You will also be missing basically all the top defensive scorers for half a season.
Secondly: Midfield Fallen Premiums are probably the most abundant source of bargains though out the season.
If you already have 6 strong Mids ( Move Whitfield forward) then you only get to pick up 2 more guys. ( surely you can’t see Hanners as keeper)
With your current set up that means you can only add 2 of Fyfe, Macrea, Mitchell, Bont,J Kelly Etc.
Also who knows who might bob up as a must have. Maybe T Kelly from WCE.
Saying all that, if there is a huge lack of Midfield Rookies we might all be scrambling to come up with a similar structure.
So im toying with the idea of not starting M.Gawn and D.Martin with the following reasoning.
Martin is slow starter in SC and will require a 3 round avg of 108 to maintain his price. So i expect to get him later at a much chaper price as I see him averaging 100 up to the byes giving him an approximate score of 1300 to round 14. I believe he will 100% be a top 6% FWD and will bring him in as one of my first upgrade targets at his bottom price. I will replace Martin with J.Steven saving me $307K. With Steven potentially averaging 85 netting 1105 up to round 14, requiring 195 to be found elsewhere.
Gawn I do believe he will average 125 up to the bye so starting without him there needs to be good reasoning. If I did go down this path he will be replaced with S.Jacobs saving me $348k allowing me to use that elsewhere to compensate for the points difference between Gawn and Jacobs. I believe Jacobs will average 85 up to the by which is where i will replace him for Gawn. Approximate scoring u to round 14 for Gawn would be 1625 and Jacobs 1105, requiring 510 to be found.
Having Jacob and Steven will require a total of 705 points to be found elsewhere.
With the $ savings of having both Steven (+$307k) and Jacobs (+348k) i would use that to go 6 premo deep into the mids swapping a $123k rookie averaging 60 (780 points to round 14) with J.Kelly who i expect will average 125 to round 14. Kelly’s expected score would net 1625 witch is an increase over the $123k rookie of 875 points.
This thought will gain me 130 points over starting Martin and Gawn. Sure i will need to make 2 trades to get Martin and Gawn back in but i will only need 2 premo’s to get full premo midline and will be 130 points ahead of the curve…
Throughts/Opinions.
*calculated everything to round 14 as both Gawn and Martin have a round 14 bye having all players playing 13 games.
This is the question. Does this risk outweight the reward. Probably not, its just a thought ive been having and whether or not i have the balls to go with it.
It could pay off massivly or it could wipe me out for the season, and is a trade worth 130 extra points over 14 rounds?
Also Both Jacobs and J Kelly have pretty bad recent injury history’s, meaning one or both are likely to miss a game at some stage pre Byes. If Kelly misses he can be covered. If/ When Jacobs misses or is say dropped for Mumford, then your basically F##@ed. It seems you will need to trade him to avoid a donut,no matter what his price is or wether you can afford to get to Gawn at all.
For me this is just way too risky.
There is merit in not starting Dusty and hoping to pick him up as an early upgrade. But trying to turn Jacobs into Gawn will be close to impossible in my book.
If you are going to try a ruck set up without Gawn ( I wouldn’t recommend it) I would rather put my money into a young improver like ROB or even T English.
My might play donut is Taylor. I doubt he gets an early jumper, and by the time he does I will have injuries, byes, or it will be late enough that downgrading to a 100% certified Krispy Kreme makes sense as a 1 up 1 down.
I am finding it very hard to go without Robertson, but for the love of gawd, with CEY coming in, along with Ah Chee, and Starcevitch on fire, and Rayner losing 10 kg in the last 12 months I really dunno how he fits into that team anytime soon.
Maybe that will give Brisbane time to train him in a different trade so he’s no longer a butcher?
Thanks FT, I guess all rookie spots up for grabs at this stage. Read AS piece on minising off field spending however don’t think have the guts to start with any non playing rookies RD1 purely for their DPP status. But can’t really argue with you guys on this site as you consistently put up great overall rankings, so know a thing or two about supercoach. Looking forward to more insight and discussion throughout the year.
I’m with you there FT and just a quick shout out to DR’s YouTube page. Anyone playing supercoach this year should go check out his vids. Awesome content especially for those wanting to get better like me.
Gidday GG, just finished listening to DR,s & Shortys podcasts . Some valid & not so valid info. Soak up the info but being a long term SC player allways go with your gut feelings.
Hey fella’s, totally agree have to go with your gut, more for just the enjoyment of the game. However the content and knowledge found on this site has helped me heaps and sure DR’s page will too.
Happy New Year to all SCers.Love this time of year when what we’ve all been waiting for comes round again.Here’s my first crack.
DEF:Daniel,Sicily,Dawson,Williamson,McLennan,Gould (Cottrell,Bianco)
MID:Macrae,Fyfe,Cripps,Dangerfield,Steele,Rowell,Pickett,
Hibberd (Robertson,Rivers,Mead)
RUCK:Grundy,Gawn (Comben)
FWD:Whitfield,Dusty,Steven,Smith,Hill,Cockatoo (Cameron,
Rankine)
How’s it looking?
Im going with the team from auto select…seems legit.
May have to change the odd rookie depending on availability and durability of seasoned players…but it seems a good enough start.
Williams
Houston
Docherty
Roberton
S Hill
Bianco
( Rivers and Gould )
Greene
Greenwood
Mcdonald
Steven
D.Smith
M. King
(Rankin Worrell )
Might tinker to see if I can get Gaz in there…he’s still a champ…probably need to swap a mid for Cripps…Mitch might not be quite ready…guess we’ll see after preseason games.
Never heard of a few of these guys :o)
Gaz will still put in blinders, but with his falling average and no discount it’s time to admit the little master’s days of punching out a heartbreaking 250 are gone
First comment for the year…Hello there guys and gals. Have no idea of a team yet though. Hopefully go well this year. Finished 20k last year after some crap picks. Have sent invites out to all of my leagues from last year, all ending in @SCT. Some have come back but still spots left as it is early still.
Just wanted to say hi 🙂 and good luck this year…I’m going to win it all 😛
Trats, nice team. I like the Clark and Brayshaw picks, not too many on this site have gone down that track. Bonar I am not sure about but he is on my watchlist. ROB is very brave. There are a lot of in-depth posts on this thread as well as on SCT Rucks poll thread, that you should read before going down this road. Good luck……M
Too big of a gamble not to go with Grundy and Gawn.
In season 2019 both ruckman totalled 37 tons out of 44.
26 of the tons were 120+ and 12 were 140+.
Rowan Marshal and Todd Goldstein managed 14-6-2 and 14-8-3 respectively. The rest of the pack are fronting a minimum of 30 points per game deficit for an additional $150,000+ in funds to upgrade elsewhere.
Last year started and finished with Goldstein and Witts with the aim to upgrade one to Grundy or Gawn by the byes but was unable to get there.
Goldstein and Witts had good years, their back ends were very good, however, it was too late as there was no cash generation from the two plus Grundy/Gawn were excellent from the start.
Lloyd finished last year poorly with Dawson steeling his points, he is overpriced and far from a safe pick. Cockatoo is injury prone and a proven poor scorer. Better off with a rook.
Rucks
Grundy, Nik Nat (Draper)
Yes I know no GG.com but Nik Nat in from best of Nik Nat is almost as good he is almost 200K cheaper for 7-8 points he will be back to his best this year
I like some of the picks but I question a few of them.
Stewart isn’t too bad as a pod but I’d question his upside versus Laird and he’s also not as safe. He’s also not had a clean preseason and has been battling a groin injury.
I like your midfield but I don’t really like the Taranto pick. They have a huge midfield group and there’s going to be a lot of point sharing and he might spend a bit more time forward and/or on the wing. He’s also more of a DT player than a SC player as he kicks a lot and tackles a lot but doesn’t kick accurately and doesn’t win a huge amount of contested ball.
I like the forward line but I’m not sure what you’re doing with Petracca. Seems like an unecessary gamble.
Also I favour Grawndy, although you have the right player if you’re going for somebody else.
Maybe Doedee won’t be necessary and you can free up some money towards Gawn or upgrading Petracca if there’s not another mid pricer you like.
Also it’s worth starting Comben as a non-playing ruck/forward so you can downgrade a forward cash cow to any young ruckman who emerges (such as Draper) by swinging Comben to the forward line.
cheers will the thought with Petracca is that the Dees need to come out firing and he is just a bull will expect big midfield minutes would you suggest Howard vs Stewart? and then upgrading petracca
He’s a bull but he doesn’t seem to have the tank to play big midfield minutes and Melbourne like to play him in the forward line considering their inside midfield depth.
I’ve got Houston in my team and I like him but he is somewhat risky given his price so just know he’s not a sure thing like I think Laird is.
OK….due to a unanimous thumbs down I’ve done some reconstructing.
Left with some 73k in the bank which I will use on getting the right mix with the rookies I’ve gone with a safer approach.
Walters, Whitfield, J Steven, D Smith, S Hill, Cockatoo, (Rankine, M King )
Downsides are that Sicily is damn frustrating, his recklessness can be costly, but hey….whatcha going to do…I went with Laird last year and he kinda started a little soft I think….was bummed I didn’t pick Lloyd at the start, but Dawson might bring him back a little.
Obviously have to track Doc and Doedee preseason…and whether Mitchell gets up and about OK…
Stevens is a worry with his STIs…and now Hibberd is doubtful, but replaceable..
Could trade Doc for Houston…but don’t know enough about him.
Will see if Max King does FA during the preseason, have learned my lesson from picking KPF rookies, so he might get the flick.
I think Tom Mcdonald could be a decent POD…but Melbourne are constantly on the nose and its still a risk. Greenwood is another who may fire…but the Suns are…well…the Suns.
Much better structure, Elvis. Your awareness of some potential weak links is also good and with that 73k you can adjust accordingly during the pre-season.
Avalon, a little risky I think. I can’t see Sier getting a game, even with Beams out. I suspect that spot will go to Rantall. Hannebery will not be a top mid and will not make a lot of cash. I think spots would be better going to rookies. Greenwood will get game time but I don’t think he will be a big scorer. For me Brayshaw offers similar scoring potential for less cash. Good luck this year….M
29K in the bank let me know still weighing up a few options can get rid of Heeney for a greenwood or petracca to free up a bit of cash for a better M5 and yes I know Gus is injured but will bounce back real strong this year nice POD
This basically leaves me with about 1k, which I don’t love, but I’m liking the structure. Hoping yeo, treloar and taranto might be slight PODs (and for taranto and yeo not to be initiated by inclusions of ward and kelly).
Andy brayshaw is a bit of a hail Mary at this stage, but showed good signs late last year, and surely more midfield time beckons.
Roberton is a little unknown, and I actually would have liked to include Hunter Clarke, but at$150k cheaper it was to hard to pad up.
SN, risky backline with 4 players coming off LTI’s. I also think not having Macrae, Neal, Fyfe or Danger might mean you are bleeding too many points in your midfield. Good luck this year……M
Agree with Max mate….
I pulled the pin on Roberton…he’s a big risk…That being said if he tallies up in the preseason probably worth the thought.
Hayden Young should get a start down back at Freo, he’s an excellent kick and should run off half back. I would probably bring Hill into the forward line for King…but that is not in your budget with your current roster.
Can’t see TT getting the points with Ward back and a full roster.
Have to wait and see on the eagles structure, I’m thinking Yeo might be moved around a bit to accommodate Kelly, maybe off half back so could be rewarding.
Hibberd probably won’t get up in time for round 1, if he forces his way into the top 22 ( he’s on my bench, think he will go OK given a chance )
Mead ? will he make the top 22. Guess rooks are anybodies guess.
I spoke about my dislike of KP rookies like King, burned with Balta and others in the past.
But Hey….gotta start somewhere.
Good luck
Yeah, it’s a bit up in the air. I think taranto will be safe with the return of ward – by the end of the season I see him being the giants best mid, if he’s not already. I think hopper, Williams and maybe even coniglio (because he has the tricks to play fwd) might lose midfield time. Yeo is interesting – I think he’s the big body, inside mid that shuey, gaff, sheed… and kelly are not, so I feel he’ll stay in.
But… who the hell knows, am sure there will be a few darts thrown at the board before now and rd 1.
Cheers for the feedback… and good luck!
Strong mate, I like this.
As I mentioned above though, bring Hill into forwards and pick up the best defence rookie likely to start…should be a few to choose from.
But just my 2 cents.
Super minor suggestion, maybe Cockatoo to the forward line and get access to another midfield rookie. (it would take away the mid/forward swing though)
Good team Chelsea. I read earlier that Steven is a bit underdone and will spend a lot of time in the forward line while he gains fitness. Overall good structure and see how the pre-season games go before settling on the rookies. Good luck this year…..M.
11k left in bank if more expensive rookie shines i’ll downgrade Neale to a cheapish uber mid if Rowell lights it up then Williams will be downgraded to a cheaper mid 😉
Just want to say thanks so much for this forum; for a newbie to SC it’s been tremendously helpful to be able to read teams and other people’s thoughts, while being so respectful to each other.
I wanted to ask (and I know he is a risk) but am I totally crazy for considering Watts in my backline (as a POD to Houston and Doch)??? Be gentle, but thank you for any thoughts. I’m not worrying too much about the bench at this stage.
ATM I have:
Williams, Rich, Watts, Doedee, Roberton, Gould
Even with his 200 last year i can’t do him 60 at quarter time barley scrapes the tonne due to his DE fantasy only for me this year broke my heart last year lol
You should have a read of Zac’s post on his 2019 season.
He basically states ( I hope this is right )
That most times its better to start popular picks rather than PODs
Theres way less risk. If the popular pick fires and you have another POD you will be playing catch up.
If your POD fires everyone may jump on them anyway and he wont be a POD for long.
Basically a POD is just that, for a reason. ( most people that log in this early have a fair understanding of the game )
Watts has never been a premium SC scorer before ( he has teased at times ) I still think the odds of him staying fit and elevating himself into Premium status is 100/1
Exactly right FT! The only “PODS” that are worth picking are players who have still proven they are good supercoach scorers in the past for example Z.Merrett who is only in 2% of sides (This is not me recommending to select Merrett but if you did i wouldn’t argue against it). Jack Watts does not fit this. Please don’t select Watts Popps!!!
Rich is also terrible value in my opinion when Laird is the exact same price (who is better and more reliable).
Lycett is a tick if taking the risk against Gawn, however Nic Nat is bound to end in disaster.
I know im picking apart the PODS which seem to make people feel they are doing a good thing by being unique but its simply a bad idea. Other than those picks highlighted team is good. Good luck Popps!
FWD Whitfield Lynch TMac Smith Hill Cockatoo.RES Rankine Cameron.
Bit exposed with the 4 rookies in Def.
And very risky Fwd Line.
Lynch. Full PreSeason this year. 2nd Year in the team with better understand. Great back half of the 2019 season.
TMac. Nicely priced and if no preseason niggles is a good option to the byes rounds for easy upgrade. Nice additions to Melbourne wing this year, should help.
That’s Tom McDonald right. Well the guy to me great player but not and will never be a supeercoach stud. And plus he plays for Melbourne only one b8g player in that team max gwan. Rest are b and c reserve players. Look at Jack Steven or Nadia cocktooo cocky has not had a full pre season in 3 4 years and looks fantastic this year. And Jack Steven expects him to be back to his best at Geelong only a few things like the Tom lynch thing but I don’t like him in my supeercoach . I feel you need fwd mids. Sorry for a long writing
FWD: Whitfield, Heeney, Smith, Hill, Cockatoo, Rankine (King, Taylor)
22800k remaining.
Pretty stock standard for this time of year and pretty safe I feel (rookies aside). Only POD at the moment is Jones. I’m a Swans fan and I reckon the fresh St.Kilda air will do him well. He’s always been a fave player of mine to watch….he’s a bull.
Solid structure, but I would “be bolder with a few PODs” anywhere but the your MID line. Given the disparity in ceiling and consistency amongst MIDs, you’ve got to be starting players who you think will be Top 8.
Now, obviously it’s tough to afford 5x 630k~ midfielders. So grab 4 topshelf MIDs (Macrae, Fyfe, Cripps, Danger, etc) and then your 5th should be someone you can see potentially being Top 8.
You’ve got Fyfe and Dunkley, tick tick, but I wouldn’t be starting all 3 of Sloane, Yeo and Treloar. Limit yourself to one of them- although not Sloane, he’s inconsistent, can’t handle a tag and is getting up there.
While they’re not guaranteed Top 8, Treloar and Yeo have plenty of upside and could very well make it. Start one of them at most, then make sure the rest of your MIDs are locks for Top 8.
For me, the criteria for premo MID is “would I entrust them with the VC/C?”.
Eg. Right now I’m running 6 premo MIDs: Macrae, Neale, Fyfe, Cripps, Dunkley & T. Kelly. The first 5 are all pretty much locks for Top 8 and T. Kelly has the potential to be right behind em’.
Hi guys, I’m new to AFL Supercoach and would like all the critics/experts Rate My Team early!
Houli, Crisp, McKenzie, Watson, Hill, Zerk-Thatcher,Gould and Young
MaCrae, Fyfe, Whitfield, Oliver, Powell-Pepper, Smith, Rowell, Stephens, Pickett, Lyons and Brayshaw
Grundy, Gawn and Conroy
Walters, Rozee, McDonald-Tipungwuti, Steven, Cockatoo, Rankine, Cavarro and Worrell.
Ill list a few of the things i would change and then let you try and improve the team from there!
McKenzie to Doedee / Roberton
Whitfield to the forwards (if thats devon smith also put him in the forwards). The midfield is what gets you the most points so try to pick 4-5 top end guys then rookies. Macrae, fyfe, oliver are perfect. after whitfield and smith go forward try fit in 1 or 2 more top end mids.
Powell Pepper toughted to play more forward this year. Not a great pick.
McDonald-Tipungwuti likewise to Pepper doesn’t have a supercoach friendly game and should be avoided.
Im just going to post my premo/180k plus lines, all rookies subject to change this time of the year. 76k leftover. Egg just sitting there as a high price/money for downgrade.
B: Lloyd Houston Docherty Eggmolese Hill
M: Fyfe Cripps Dunkley Oliver Kelly Rowell
R: Grundy Gawn (Comben)
F: Whitfield Martin Greenwood
Defenders
J. Lloyd
R. Laird
S. Docherty
S. Hill
T. Rivers
W. Gould
J. McLennan
T.Bianco
Midfielders
L. Neale
N.Fyfe
P. Cripps
J. Dunkley
P. Dangerfield
M. Rowell
M. Pickett
J. Mead
N. McHenry
D. Robertson
M. Hibberd
Rucks
B. Grundy
M. Gawn
M. Conroy
Forwards
L. Whitfield
D. Martin
H. Greenwood
N. Cockatoo
I. Rankine
M. King
B. Cavarra
C.Comben
Jacky, a true G&R team here. I like the structure and the picks. My only point would be Greenwood. For my money I think Steven or Brayshaw offer similar returns at a cheaper price.
Good luck, you’re off to a good start. …M
Bradshaw out for 6 with thumb surgery and Hibbard. Out for 6 tooo
That’s Angus, I think he means Andrew.
Team looks good, how much cash left?
$19.5k
Looks great. Very safe, but agree with Maximus re: Greenwood. We’ll know more after the Marsh series, so don’t dismiss him just yet.
Very impressed. Think you are missing out on Steven but other than that cannot really fault it
Pickett and Rowell relatively cheap but risky .
Probably better to pay big for early locks.
Take the risk with cheap rookies.
Hi guys,
I’d like to start by saying how much I enjoy reading all of this, I am fairly new to the country and very new to afl & supercoach.
You are all very helpful and all of your thoughts are super interesting to read.
This is my second year playing and that’s a draft for my “side” team that breaks few holy rules:
Sicily, Simpson
Doedee, Young
Williamson, Bianco (Rivers Gould)
Macrae, Cripps
Dunkley, Dangerfield
Oliver, Walsh
Rowell, Pickett
(Valente, Hutchesson, Hibberd)
Grundy, Goldstein (Comben)
Whitefield, Martin
Heeney, Hill
Honey, Cavarra (Cameron, Mahony)
9400$ in the bank
Destroy it!
Few unpopular picks, I know.
Few must-have players missing and one too many Mid-price.
I guess I made few choices for the sake of the discussion.
Best way to learn 😀
Gidday Mass, Simpson a big NO for me otherwise not to bad, good luck
Mass, Simpson is. No for me, much prefer Docherty. Walsh in the mids was a great pick up last year but will not be a top 10 mid this year, so I don’t see any upside. Too expensive to generate cash for an upgrade and not good enough yet to be a keeper. Goldy is interesting. I looked at that choice myself and may still end up there but I am concerned about his age and durability.
Good luck this year….M
Great stuff Mass. And welcome to this awesome community. I don’t mind a risk myself and actually quite like the Walsh pick IFF he’s playing in the guts this year. He did in their first intra-club game which is very positive, but it’s still early days.
Have to agree that the long-sleeved Simpson is now cooked. Yes he’s cheap, but is on the inevitable slide toward SC oblivion. It was good while it lasted. There are plenty of better, cheaper options going the other way!
Finally, I’d be starting Grawndy. Goldy finished last year on fire and apparently is looking great, but I just think it’ll save you a trade and heartache. He’s getting on.
For now, I’d have a play around with Goldy and Simpson OUT and Gawn IN and see what the remaining cash will afford you in the backline.
Still very early days, but reckon you have a pretty good steer on where you’re heading. And there’s nothing wrong with a couple of informed risks 😉
Good luck and look forward to seeing you around the traps.
Thanks guys, really appreciate the time and thoughts you spent over my team.
I come from Europe and fantasy football (soz, I’m not calling it soccer :D) has always been a big chunk of my spare time and a huge social space. This forum to me is a great way to recreate that spirit and it is great to be virtually part of a community as enthusiastic about the game as the one back home!
I’ll definitely take on board your input.
Simpson was initially a choice dictated by the last two years numbers and by the fact that he’s one of the first players I picked when I started last year and I was going sentimental and thought about keeping ew “veterans” in the seasons ahead.
That being said he’s number one in my trade list for the start of the season.
I like the Walsh pick as I think he’ll improve, perhaps just enough to upgrade him to a keeper in the higher half of the 500k bracket.
I’ll play around with the Gawn trade and see if I manage to like the D2 that I end up with to replace Simpson.
I’ll keep you posted.
Thanks again and good luck to you all for the season.
First an last draft until the JLT. Prefer not to tinker too much.
DEF: Lloyd, DBJ, Doch, Young, Starchevich, Gould, Rivers, Worrell
MID: Dangerfield, Neale, Cripps, Dunkley, Oliver, Rowell, Pickett, Simpson, Mead, Lyons
RUCK: GG.com
FWD: Whitfield, Martin, Heeney, Hill, Cockatoo, Rankine, Cahill, King
I like the look of Lloyd as being somewhat PODish. DBJ I believe can produce the same if not better output than Houston for a little cheaper. Would like to find room for Sicily as I believe he is unders.
MIDS: pretty similar setup to most others. Taranto is one I like as a somewhat cheaper premium to up his scoring. Rucks don’t need explanation.
Not messing about in the Forward line until I can be sure on roles for some of those cheaper options eg. Steven, Smith, Greenwood etc.
If Houston plays Mid as he did in the last 9 games 2019 then I feel he is better value than DBJ.
Not so sure about that. Houston ave’d 94 when playing MID last year. Yes he’s underpriced, but he’ll need to hold the role AND improve a fair bit to be a keeper.
DB-J is interesting. Can be in and out of games as his score of 7 (yes, seven) toward the end of last year proves. And he played the full game! Don’t doubt he could be a keeper, but think there are a few underpriced, less risky options.
Just my thoughts.
Did not think that 7 game was a full game. That’s very ordinary! But, still think that the running HB/distributor role seems to be his bases on last year; the main reason for selecting him. And considering most of my side seems relatively safe, it’s a risk I’m willing to take at this stage.
I reckon he’s a good pick. A gamble yes, but I’m inclined to think it’ll pay off. There’s enough pressure in their list now to keep him honest. He’s earned the spot and will likely improve. He should have less down games in 2020 and have an increase in ceiling. He’s still young and experience and fitness (another pre-season) should ensure he doesn’t have THOSE games. The 7, could be a blessing, given it makes him that little bit cheaper. ie, ‘underpriced’ 😉
Good luck. I might just follow you 😉
I’m not quite on the Houston train just yet either. The period during which he was playing pure MID he also put up a 54, pre-season will be telling.
On the other hand, I’m quite a fan of DBJ. Got as my D2 in most of my drafts, hoping he retains the HB receiver role and carries last year’s hot form into 2020.
I’ve chalked the 7 up to Port just getting pumped.
i read frm a reliable source houston avg’d 106 in the midfield? (last 4-5 games)
Houston had 8 games are pure MID, scored 99, 75, 110, 54, 85, 134, 87 and 105 for an average of 94.
Lancelot, your comments say it all. For me, I prefer Sicily to Lloyd as I think they will have similar scores if Sicily stays down back. I don’t think Lloyd will increase in price, so I plan to pick him up later in the year. Good luck…..M
Sorry, Lancell not Lancelot. Damn spellcheck…..M
Cheers Maximus! Yeah agree with your point on Sicily and Lloyd. But need to be convinced that he’ll be a permanent interceptor. If so, I’ll find a way to get him
Shhhhh on the DBJ pod :p
Haha yeh on second thoughts, don’t pick DBJ!
What was your ‘handle’ last year?!
I didn’t comment/post all that often last year. I think my handle was Kram from memory. Decided I might be a bit more active this year after observing last season and enjoying what everyone on this site was offering in terms of content/advice. Not sure why, but Lancell was just the first thing that came mind when choosing an alias.
Def
Lloyd. Williams. Docherty. McLennan. Pina. Gould.
Bench – Blanco. O’Connor.
Mid
Macrae. Neale. Fyfe. Cripps. Danger. Rowell. Mchenry. Pickett.
Bench – Robertson. Rivers. Budarick.
Ruck
Grundy. Gawn.
Bench – Comben.
Fwd
Whitfield. Dusty. Heeney. E Smith. Rankine. King.
Bench – D Cameron. Worrell.
Hard not to like it considering I’ve gone for the same stricture ;))You’d be good to leave that until you can see some form in the Marsh Community Series.
That’s an enormous amount of rookies you are relying on each week.
Yeah, it’s pure GnR. Maybe too pure?.
You are only able to make this team because you’ve selected the cheapest rookies you can imagine picking, including two guys under 110k and a lot of 117k rookies who have limited chance of being named round one. You’ll either choose this team and you will have a terrible time with rookies or you will need to pick other players. I really don’t understand why you’ve constructed a team in that way because it’s basically pointless because you won’t be able to pick it come round one. You will need to at least downgrades like Williams to Laird and Neale to Dunkley
It’s guns and rookies for the sake of it as well, there’s better value than Lloyd, Williams and Neale to be found and you’ve got 13 premium starters with a team that has incredibly cheap rookies, whilst others have got 14 potential premium starters (with 3-4 midpricers including Docherty & Houston) with more expensive rookies.
Jack Martin a viable F3 option ?
Thoughts and reasoning appreciated.
Hi Trent, theres a post on the AFL site about Melbournes latest match simulation and how well Martin performed. Hes on my radar but will wait for Marsh series b4 making a decision.
Will take a look. Cheers.
You’ll find it under Carlton 😉
Def: Sicily, Houston, Docherty,
S Hill, Starcevich, Rivers, Bianco,
Gould.
Mids: Macrae, Fyfe, Cripps,
Dangerfield, Oliver, Rowell,
McHenry,M Pickett, Bytel,
Philp, Mead.
Rucks: Grundy, Gawn, Comben.
Forwards: Whitfield, Martin,
J Steven, D Smith, Cockatoo, Rankine,
D Cameron, M king.
Almost identical. Except I don’t have Dusty and have an M6 instead.
Will see how the rookies pan out before Rd1, but I think I may want to go deep in the MIDs.
Looks v solid.
Thanks for feedback Allsaints I see
above that your not convinced
Houston will be a keeper I think
you have scared me of him. LOL
So I can swap Starcevich to Worrell
and just have enough money for
Rich or Laird instead of Houston.
Hi Jez,
I like your team. Solid Mid, Ruck and FWD.
But Your defence doesnt inspire me a lot of confidence. Doch has had a double ACL. His Chance of getting injured during the season is real. At least it would affect his flexibility and agility so he could still be a slighly different player.
Houston has already played in the mid for few games last season and didnt set the world on fire. Last year I took a punt on McGrath for the same thinking and he wasnt a keeper so I ended up wasting a trade.
However I also Have Sicily but we are expecting that few ifs go his way. Thats is reallistically a top 10 guarantee rather than top 6.
Just putting it out there. Then AllSaints has the same rationale as you so you may maybe have more faith than me?
Hi Jeannot
Thanks for your advice I think
your brought up some good points
with Houston possibly not been a
Keeper, Docherty will his knee hold
up and will Sicily go back to been
a intercept half back role I think he
will seen Frost and Patton have
been recruited the Jlt games should
give us some sort of idea how
Hawthorn set up.
I will see what else I can do with
the backline. I would like to get Lloyd and Williams that means a
different structure all together.
Thoughts everyone?
DEF: Lloyd, Stewart, Doc, Doedee, Young, Cottrell (Gould, Bianco)
MID: Fyfe, Cripps, Danger, Oliver, Rowell, McHenry, Valente, Pickett (Cockatoo, Bytel, Robertson)
RUC: Grawndy
FWD: Whit, Dusty, Parish, Steven, Bonar, King (Rankine, Cameron)
Team looks great, but:
I’d go one deeper in the MIDs at the cost of either your DEF or FWD line. There are at least 5 MIDs you can be 99% sure will average 115 for the season. Lachie might up FWD but on those two lines there isn’t another single player I’d put money on.
My only other point is that Tom STEWART has been struggling with a niggling groin issue for a while now. He’ll be undercooked for sure. Given his ultra consistency and bye, I’d now be looking to pick him up thru the byes, if at all. His price will never explode as he has a high floor and low ceiling. It’s a shame because he was my #2 DEF pick at the end of last season for 2020. But not now.
Stewart just got back from his honeymoon in Europe, that would not have helped the groin.
Trent McKenzie (Port Adelaide) only played a few games last year this year and did OK, $298,000 defender has high projected scores, anybody got any comments
He played one game and scored 100+.
It was an outlier score if you look at his last 8 years!! I’d steer well clear unless we see a significant role change in the Marsh Series, but that’s v unlikely.
First team.
Def: J.loyd,D.Houston,S.Doch,D.Roberton B.Starcevich, T. Rivers, J.Mclennan,
W.Gould
Mid: N.Fyfe, J.Kelly, J.Dunkley, P.Dangerfield, C. Oliver, M.Rowell, M.Pickett,F.Maginness, S.Phillp, N Mchenry, H.Shoenberg
Ruck: Grawn,Grundy (not making same mistake as last year!), C.Comben
Forward: L.Whitfield, D.Martin, J.Steven, S.Hill, N.Cockatoo, I.Rankine, Max King, D.Cameron
TU: Neale
TD: Fyfe
Heads up everyone.
IMO Houston if you check last year took over the midfield structure from an injury carrying Rockliff.
Watch to see if it’s just a backup role.
Hey wondering,
Imo Houstan is the future in there midfield, i feel port will push the rock to the forward line this year
You might be right Knucks.
Rockliff does appear to be getting more and more fragile.
Roll on Marsh/March.
Powell-Pepper has been slated for a role forward. Rocky had more surgery on his shoulders in the off season so there is room for Houston although Rozee might want more time in there as well.
What do people think of this structure:
D – Sicily, Houston, Doedee, Hill + rookies
M – 5 premiums ($600k+), Hanners, Wingard, Pickett + rookies
F – Heeney, Lynch, Steven, Smith + rookies
Rucks – G+G
Just tinkering around with the standard structure of 3, 5, 2, 3 premos.
For those experienced SCers, tell me what can horribly wrong please?
Cheers
Hanners is injured but should be ok in time. Still underpriced, but unsure he’ll ever be a premo again, and cannot see him earning the 150k otherwise.
And there’s the issue. You have Sicily, GG, Heeney and your 5 mid premos.
Steven at a stretch if all goes well, but you certainly can’t count him yet. So only 9 premos.
Then, where other people would have 2 more premos and a top pick rookie or a discounted injured player, you have some high priced, risky midpricers who need to perform as full premos for you, because they will neither generate sufficient cash nor points for you otherwise.
Lynch, Smith, Hanners, Wingard, Houston on top of Doedee, Hill and Steven means you really need to get at least 5 or 6 of them right.
Doedee Hill and Steven look like they can make enough money that they don’t HAVE to make keeper status.
The other 5 is around a 5th of budget and I can’t see how any of them end up a keeper.
TU: Docherty
TD: Houston
TU Gawn + Doedee
TD Jacobs + Midfielder under 640k
I’m all for the Grundy + Gawn just trying to think of ways to be different and get the edge.
Jacobs round 14 bye means straight to Gawn after his bye. Would need to average 130 to be above 700k which is do able but definitely not 100%
It all boils down to that famous theory: Damned if you do, or damned if you don’t.
Gawn ~ 120 + Doedee ~ 80 = 200 + upgrade
or
Jacobs ~ 80 + Premium Mid. ~ 120 = 200 + upgrade
Good luck with that.
Happy triple J hot 100 listenning everyone.
I like the thinking. It is outside the box but you can back it with numbers.
I dont think Sauce is the Ruck I would consider in that scenario. ROB or Goldstein will do the same thing and offer you more. Plus they have the outside chance of pushing for R2. I like ROB and I believe he’ll improve this season. So just for the sake of the argument I will do:
Gawn costs: $698k. Savings 0n Reilly O’Brien $517K = $180K
With that saving I take a punt on a Mid or player like Angus Brayshaw at $453K (instead of a mid price/rookie at $273k).
Gawn 120pt + Rookie 60 = 180
ROB ($517k ) 90 + Brayshaw 90 = 180
Positives: if things go well, you’ll end up with 2 keepers or needing very little to upgrade 2 players into 2 top premos. And you get nice points along the way.
Negatives: Gawn goes mental and averages over 120. In which case you may need 2 trades or come up with $100k + to get him. Brayshaw could still be a M8 you can carry close to the finals depending on the trades you have left.
My gut feelings tells me that this year we will see a change in R1 and R2. My catious self says dont tinker with what works and is proven. And as you said Chameleon, Damned if you do , damned if you dont.
Strategies and planning are keys. Proper Execution is crutial. Some luck along the the way helps. No player is guaranteed to not get injured.
What Do you think?
TU : G+G (Stay with the devil you know)
TD: G+ another (take a chance . Before G+G, we had the Cox curse, it may strike
again)
Gawn gives you an extra C option, this can’t be underplayed
Jacobs will make less cash than Doedee, and Good Luck finding 700k mid season.
Gawn and Doedee. Absolutely.
Thoughts on my team?
DEF: Sicily, Houston, Docherty, Hill, Starcevich, Gould: Rivers, Mclennan
MID: Macrae, Neale, Cripps, Dunkley, Dangerfield, Rowell, Pickett, Hibberd: Robertson, Bianco, Mead
RUCK: Gawn, Grundy: Conroy
FWD: Whitfield, Dusty, Steven, Smith, Cockatoo, Rankine: King, Budarick
Hey Guys, I just read the Ruck combo. analysts.
See my reply to Bluebagger above on thoughts about the Ruck mathematics.
Remember the crystal ball is always a little hazy whether we apply mathematics or statistics to the problem.
It’s normally viewed with tunnel vision from our hearts. HOPE.
The aerobic capicity of both Gawn and Grundy is off the charts. Both are 20+ points better than the next best.
Gawn didn’t have much of an off-season was back early, is lighter and stronger than last year.
For those thinking Jacobs or Nic Nat. Good luck in 2021.
ROB seems to be popular choice 2nd year at top level. Not Yet.
English. Why, gets hammed most weeks.
Marshall. Ryder lurking.
Lycett. Best option if you cannot see the obvious choices.
Goldy. Doesn’t seem to be selected buy too many coaches. ?
G&G if you don’t start you won’t contend.
Build your team around them.
Good Luck
DEF Sicily Doch Doedee Hill Gould Cotterell (Rivers Mc Guinness)
MIDS Neale Dunkley danger Treloar Whitfield Oliver Taranto Hanners ( Pickett Mead McHenry.)
RUCK G&G (comben)
FWD Steven Smith Bonar cockatoo Rankine Cameron ( king worrell)
DEF 2 keeper
MID6 keeper maybe 7 with Taranto
RK 2 keeper
FWD 1 keeper
Figure 11keepers to start.?
Thoughts on this risky structure.!
VERY risky Vic.
It’s not just your structure (that should really be determined by the rookie availability anyway). Its more about the amount of true keepers to midpriced /stepping stone types.
If (as you say) you only start 11 keepers, that means to get to full Premo you will need to upgrade 11 players to get to 22 on field.
This will require 22 ( 1up 1 down) trades. that leaves only 8 trades.
We usually allocate 2/3 trades for corrections over weeks 2/4 as prices change and the best rookies show themselves.
This could leave you with as little as 5 trades for all injuries for the whole year.
This is essentially why most experienced coaches structure their teams with a minimum of 12 keepers + a couple of midpriced/ fallen Premo’s that could/may become keepers. Think : Smith , Stevens, even Roberton.
This gives you way more wiggle room as you should get to full Premo with at least 8 trades for LTI’s.
Hope that makes some sense.
Best of luck in 2020.
Thanks Freo. Valid points on where the weekness is in this structure.
This year with value down back with Doch, Doedee ,Robbo, Hill, and the value up front, have you considered a five Premo midfield with a Taranto or another player around his price point at M6.
G&G in the Ruck line.
The more I move players around the more I can see this working.
Naturally this is all based on players staying fit, up to the byes.?
Hey Vic.
I like your thinking ( in theory)
Heres how I can see it coming unstuck.
Firstly if you do go with all of Doc, Roberton, Doedee and S Hill. Nearly ALL your Backline is is coming off serious long term injuries. Theres a whole lot of risk that one or more will be re-injured at some stage. You will also be missing basically all the top defensive scorers for half a season.
Secondly: Midfield Fallen Premiums are probably the most abundant source of bargains though out the season.
If you already have 6 strong Mids ( Move Whitfield forward) then you only get to pick up 2 more guys. ( surely you can’t see Hanners as keeper)
With your current set up that means you can only add 2 of Fyfe, Macrea, Mitchell, Bont,J Kelly Etc.
Also who knows who might bob up as a must have. Maybe T Kelly from WCE.
Saying all that, if there is a huge lack of Midfield Rookies we might all be scrambling to come up with a similar structure.
Lets hope thats not the case.
Happy planning 🙂
Remember Hill can be forward too.
Comment of the day Freo
Thanks HH.
Yep Hill my F 4 at the mo 😉
Like the Taranto selection…
So im toying with the idea of not starting M.Gawn and D.Martin with the following reasoning.
Martin is slow starter in SC and will require a 3 round avg of 108 to maintain his price. So i expect to get him later at a much chaper price as I see him averaging 100 up to the byes giving him an approximate score of 1300 to round 14. I believe he will 100% be a top 6% FWD and will bring him in as one of my first upgrade targets at his bottom price. I will replace Martin with J.Steven saving me $307K. With Steven potentially averaging 85 netting 1105 up to round 14, requiring 195 to be found elsewhere.
Gawn I do believe he will average 125 up to the bye so starting without him there needs to be good reasoning. If I did go down this path he will be replaced with S.Jacobs saving me $348k allowing me to use that elsewhere to compensate for the points difference between Gawn and Jacobs. I believe Jacobs will average 85 up to the by which is where i will replace him for Gawn. Approximate scoring u to round 14 for Gawn would be 1625 and Jacobs 1105, requiring 510 to be found.
Having Jacob and Steven will require a total of 705 points to be found elsewhere.
With the $ savings of having both Steven (+$307k) and Jacobs (+348k) i would use that to go 6 premo deep into the mids swapping a $123k rookie averaging 60 (780 points to round 14) with J.Kelly who i expect will average 125 to round 14. Kelly’s expected score would net 1625 witch is an increase over the $123k rookie of 875 points.
This thought will gain me 130 points over starting Martin and Gawn. Sure i will need to make 2 trades to get Martin and Gawn back in but i will only need 2 premo’s to get full premo midline and will be 130 points ahead of the curve…
Throughts/Opinions.
*calculated everything to round 14 as both Gawn and Martin have a round 14 bye having all players playing 13 games.
Cheers
Ando
What if Jacobs gets injured….
This is the question. Does this risk outweight the reward. Probably not, its just a thought ive been having and whether or not i have the balls to go with it.
It could pay off massivly or it could wipe me out for the season, and is a trade worth 130 extra points over 14 rounds?
Sorry Ando.
Both Gawn and Dusty have R13 Byes.
Also Both Jacobs and J Kelly have pretty bad recent injury history’s, meaning one or both are likely to miss a game at some stage pre Byes. If Kelly misses he can be covered. If/ When Jacobs misses or is say dropped for Mumford, then your basically F##@ed. It seems you will need to trade him to avoid a donut,no matter what his price is or wether you can afford to get to Gawn at all.
For me this is just way too risky.
There is merit in not starting Dusty and hoping to pick him up as an early upgrade. But trying to turn Jacobs into Gawn will be close to impossible in my book.
If you are going to try a ruck set up without Gawn ( I wouldn’t recommend it) I would rather put my money into a young improver like ROB or even T English.
Hope that is some help.
Thanks for your comments.
As i said i was only thinking this. Currently both Gawn and Martin are in my side.
A risky second ruck means you either need Darcy Cameron to play as R3 or you need Patton in your forwards. Or both.
That means carrying a non scoring loophole player elsewhere.
I have Darcy and was planning on running Briggs from GWS as a FWD/DEF swinging floating donut that may play.
My might play donut is Taylor. I doubt he gets an early jumper, and by the time he does I will have injuries, byes, or it will be late enough that downgrading to a 100% certified Krispy Kreme makes sense as a 1 up 1 down.
Hi All,
Only got onto this great site last year and coincided with my best season yet. So hoping to go even better this year.
Z. Williams W. Gould
J. Sicily B. O’Connor
S. Docherty
T. Doodee
S. Hill
T. Williamson
J. Macrae N. McHenry
N. Fyfe J. Mead
P. Cripps C. Budarick
P. Dangerfield
C. Oliver
M. Rowell
M. Pickett
D. Robertson
B. Grundy D. Cameron
M. Gawn
L. Whitfield M. King
D. Martin B. Cavarra
D. Smith
S. Flanders
N. Cockatoo
I. Rankine
All feedback appreciated, thanks guys.
Hi All,
Only got onto this great site last year and coincided with my best season yet. So hoping to go even better this year.
Z. Williams
J. Sicily
S. Docherty
T. Doodee
S. Hill
T. Williamson
(W. Gould)
(B. O’Connor)
J. Macrae
N. Fyfe
P. Cripps
P. Dangerfield
C. Oliver
M. Rowell
M. Pickett
D. Robertson
(N. McHenry)
(J. Mead)
(C. Budarick)
B. Grundy
M. Gawn
(D. Cameron)
L. Whitfield
D. Martin
D. Smith
S. Flanders
N. Cockatoo
I. Rankine
(M. King)
(B. Cavarra)
All feedback appreciated, thanks guys
I am finding it very hard to go without Robertson, but for the love of gawd, with CEY coming in, along with Ah Chee, and Starcevitch on fire, and Rayner losing 10 kg in the last 12 months I really dunno how he fits into that team anytime soon.
Maybe that will give Brisbane time to train him in a different trade so he’s no longer a butcher?
I’m hoping he is a downgrade target…
GG
You got yourself a very solid side.
I would consider swapping out say Cavarra for Worrell F/D (Crows)
This way you can swing S Hill forward if you need too.
I can’t really fault anything else.
Good stuff and best of luck in 2020
Thanks FT, I guess all rookie spots up for grabs at this stage. Read AS piece on minising off field spending however don’t think have the guts to start with any non playing rookies RD1 purely for their DPP status. But can’t really argue with you guys on this site as you consistently put up great overall rankings, so know a thing or two about supercoach. Looking forward to more insight and discussion throughout the year.
All good GG
I meant to say only start Worrell if he gets a game. I’m not sure even Crows fans even know how they are going to line up this year.
Some folks are looking into 2 or more floating donuts, I won’t be going down that road unless there’s a huge rookie shortage.
Even then, I will try to pick rookies I think will get a game at some stage ( hopefully early )
I’m with you there FT and just a quick shout out to DR’s YouTube page. Anyone playing supercoach this year should go check out his vids. Awesome content especially for those wanting to get better like me.
Gidday GG, just finished listening to DR,s & Shortys podcasts . Some valid & not so valid info. Soak up the info but being a long term SC player allways go with your gut feelings.
If nothing else, go with gut feelings and wear some personal responsibility…
No one likes someone who blames everyone else…
Hmm, that might be interpreted as politics. I didn’t mean it that way 🙂
Hey fella’s, totally agree have to go with your gut, more for just the enjoyment of the game. However the content and knowledge found on this site has helped me heaps and sure DR’s page will too.
https://youtu.be/MRFe0tI_WIA
Got linky?
Happy New Year to all SCers.Love this time of year when what we’ve all been waiting for comes round again.Here’s my first crack.
DEF:Daniel,Sicily,Dawson,Williamson,McLennan,Gould (Cottrell,Bianco)
MID:Macrae,Fyfe,Cripps,Dangerfield,Steele,Rowell,Pickett,
Hibberd (Robertson,Rivers,Mead)
RUCK:Grundy,Gawn (Comben)
FWD:Whitfield,Dusty,Steven,Smith,Hill,Cockatoo (Cameron,
Rankine)
How’s it looking?
Love the STEELE pick. Not sold in starting Dawson or Dusty, but that’s just me! Good luck 😉
9k left
Really enjoy the effort put into the posts, comments and feedback on this site. Some very committed supercoachers.
Thoughts/suggestions on my draft X:
DEF:
Williams, Laird, Docherty,
Doedee, Hill, Starcevich
(Rivers, Gould)
MID:
Fyfe, Dunkley, Dangerfield, Oliver, TKelly,
Rowell, McHenry, Pickett
(Robertson, Bianco, Mead)
RUC:
Grundy, Gawn
(Draper)
FWD:
Whitfield, Martin, Steven,
Bonar, Flanders, Rankine
(MKing, ETaylor)
$1.7K left but some high price d rookie placeholders if necessary to downgrade.
12-13 keepers. Also happy with the bye structure, albeit unintentionally.
Gidday Terangbowler, dont think “auto selection” has taken any notice of the ” risk” factor. Intrested, why the name
Gday WillysGuns,I live in Terang and play lawn bowls hence Terangbowler
Loving the predictions for Callan Ward…hang off to round 8 guys and you can get him for 100k
Anybody rate Harris Andrews (Brisbane) as a defender, got him on the watchlist at the moment.
Harris Andrews is an awesome key defender IMO….though key defenders are not big scorers
Im going with the team from auto select…seems legit.
May have to change the odd rookie depending on availability and durability of seasoned players…but it seems a good enough start.
Williams
Houston
Docherty
Roberton
S Hill
Bianco
( Rivers and Gould )
Macrae
Fyfe
Mitchell
Dangerfield
Ward
Rowell
Cockatoo
Robertson
( Hutcheson Connolly Budarick )
Grundy
Witts
( Comden )
Greene
Greenwood
Mcdonald
Steven
D.Smith
M. King
(Rankin Worrell )
Might tinker to see if I can get Gaz in there…he’s still a champ…probably need to swap a mid for Cripps…Mitch might not be quite ready…guess we’ll see after preseason games.
Never heard of a few of these guys :o)
Gaz will still put in blinders, but with his falling average and no discount it’s time to admit the little master’s days of punching out a heartbreaking 250 are gone
G’day SuperCoaches,
Team so far:
Def: Sicily, Docherty, Doedee, Robertson, Hill, Gould, (Rivers & Bianca)
Mid: McCrae, Fyfe, Cripps, Neale, Dangerfield, Rowell, Anderson, Pickett, (Hibberd, Mead, Budarick)
Ruck: Grundy, Gawn, (Cameron (Rck/Fwd)
Fwd: Whitfield, Heeney, D. Smith, J Steven, Rankine, M. King (Worrell, Comben (Rck/Fwd))
I haven’t seen Anderson (GCS) in many teams. Thoughts?
I think Anderson is considered the worst option of the two and most people have him pencilled in for an average around 70.
That means there may be better cash generation options.
I’ve got him, because I think he’ll at least get reliable game time. They will play the kids together as much as they can for the future of the club.
Results are less important at Gcs right now than building a core of the team who don’t want to leave.
Thoughts on my latest draft please. Happy with 12-13 keepers, and obviously rookies are subject to change as JLT approaches.
DEF: Williams, Laird, Docherty, Hill, Young, Gould (McLennan, Bianco)
MID: Fyfe, J.Kelly, Cripps, Dunkley, Dangerfield, Pickett, Rivers, Mead (McHenry, Robertson, Hibberd)
RUC: Grundy, Gawn (Comben)
FWD: Whitfield, Walters, Martin, Cockatoo, McAdam, Rankine (King, Cavarra)
First comment for the year…Hello there guys and gals. Have no idea of a team yet though. Hopefully go well this year. Finished 20k last year after some crap picks. Have sent invites out to all of my leagues from last year, all ending in @SCT. Some have come back but still spots left as it is early still.
Just wanted to say hi 🙂 and good luck this year…I’m going to win it all 😛
TU: Dunkley
TD: Oliver
Both!
Or what about Dangerfield. Out of the three?
What’s everyone’s thoughts on my second draft of the year. Got rid of Steven and Rowell to make way for a 5th MID Premo in Bont, good call?
DEF: Lloyd, Stewart, Doc, Doedee, Young, Cottrell (Bianco, Gould)
MID: Fyfe, Crippa, Danger, Bont, Oliver, McHenry, Valente, Pickett (Bytel, Robertson, Budarick)
RUC: Grawndy
FWD: Whit, Dusty, Parish, Cockatoo, Rankine, King (Cameron, Worrell)
Cheers
DEF:
Williams, Docherty, Clark, Doedee, S. Hill, Gould (McPherson, Rivers)
MID:
Macrae, Fyfe, Cripps, Danger, Oliver, Andrew Brayshaw, Rowell, Mead (Pickett, McHenry, C Lyons)
RK:
Grundy, ROB (Comben)
FWD:
Whitfield, Dusty, Dev Smith, Bonar, Cockatoo, Sturt (McAdam, Rankine)
Trats, nice team. I like the Clark and Brayshaw picks, not too many on this site have gone down that track. Bonar I am not sure about but he is on my watchlist. ROB is very brave. There are a lot of in-depth posts on this thread as well as on SCT Rucks poll thread, that you should read before going down this road. Good luck……M
I feel like I want to be different for the moment.
It’s early season and will most likely change.
This team will be my lack of rookies team (with tweaking of course).
I can’t afford Gawn without getting rid of Clark/ Brayshaw (might work with Doedee but he’s really a fallen premium).
I can see ROB being the next big ruckman but the question is it this year or next year.
Historically the top 2 rucks don’t back it up.
It is easier to downgrade than uptrade, but what’s the rule? Never trade out premos…
Too big of a gamble not to go with Grundy and Gawn.
In season 2019 both ruckman totalled 37 tons out of 44.
26 of the tons were 120+ and 12 were 140+.
Rowan Marshal and Todd Goldstein managed 14-6-2 and 14-8-3 respectively. The rest of the pack are fronting a minimum of 30 points per game deficit for an additional $150,000+ in funds to upgrade elsewhere.
Last year started and finished with Goldstein and Witts with the aim to upgrade one to Grundy or Gawn by the byes but was unable to get there.
Goldstein and Witts had good years, their back ends were very good, however, it was too late as there was no cash generation from the two plus Grundy/Gawn were excellent from the start.
Should also consider Sean Darcy if cheapies are your thing.
Kid is gonna go bang once the purple haze stop being so.. uhh.. hazy.
I resemble that comment!
Going To Play it Safe. Yes no Doch.
DEF Lloyd Laird Sicily Hill Rivers Gould (Cottrell mc Guinness)
MIDS: Macrae Neale Cripps Dunkley Danger Rowell Cockatoo Pickett (mc Henry Mahoney Bianco)
RUCK: G&G ( Comben)
Whitfield Greenwood Smith Bonar Rankine Cameron (king worrell)
Lloyd finished last year poorly with Dawson steeling his points, he is overpriced and far from a safe pick. Cockatoo is injury prone and a proven poor scorer. Better off with a rook.
Lol he is the safest pick in def
Lloyd’s finished last season with scores of 88, 85, 85, 89 and 113. I’ll be closely watching his preseason.
Lloyd Top 6 defender last few years and again this year. LOCK
Cockatoo is a wait and see for RD1. Even Rowell isn’t a lock. YET.
Hurn Daniel Sicily doedee young McLennan. Rivers Gould
Dunkley Kelly Sloane Martin mccluggage
Rowell Anderson Pickett
Robertson Bianco Hibberd
Grundy gawn Conroy
Whitfield Greenwood Steven Smith hill
Henry. McAdam rankine
Hurn he would be a good POD had him last year either has a blinder or does nothing to hard to take again for me
Dunno how he does nothing, but he certainly can drop a long way out of the top 10 defenders.
For a premo he’s risky.
I’d rather take a punt elsewhere. I had my 20 minutes of madness with him in my team.
What West Coast do with Yeo decides if Hurn is a smart move or a hospital pass.
Will be rested at times during the 2020 fixtures. It his last year. Will be kept fresh for the finals.
$10, 100.
Rookies are as good as my pre-season research allows.
Laird, Sicily, Docherty, Young, Gould, Rivers, Brander, Bianco
Macrae, Kelly, Cripps, Dunkley, Oliver, Rowell, McHenry, Pickett, Bytel, Simpson, Mead
Grundy, Gawn, Comben
Whitfield, Martin, Heeney, Hill, Hosie, Rankine, Golds, King
TU-Clayton oliver.
TD-Adam trelore.
both
Hows that R 13 Bye looking Baz ?
If you have Fyfe or Cripps , Doc and G&G Dusty or Henney you could be in trouble?
TU: Neale
TD: Oliver
Def: Laird, Houston, Docherty, Hayden Young, Brander, McLennan (Rivers, Gould)
Mid: Josh Kelly, Cripps, Dunkley, Danger, Oliver, Rowell, Pickett, McHenry (Ely Smith, Sam Simpson, Shipley)
Ruck: Grundy, Gawn (Comben)
Forward: Whitfield, Heeney, Tom J. Lynch, Dev Smith, Stephen Hill, Rankine (Max King, Cavarra)
7k in the bank.
Not interested in starting Dusty over Heeney but appreciate any other thoughts
Hey guys second draft for the year really happy with this one with 14k left in the bank let me know what u guys think
Backs
Stewart, Scicily, Docherty
Doedee, Hill, Starcevich
(rivers Gould)
Mids
Fyfe, Cripps, Danger
Oliver, Taranto, Rowell
Pickett, Serong
(Smith, Robertson, Biancio)
Rucks
Grundy, Nik Nat (Draper)
Yes I know no GG.com but Nik Nat in from best of Nik Nat is almost as good he is almost 200K cheaper for 7-8 points he will be back to his best this year
FWDS
Whitfield, Dusty, Petracca
Smith, Cockatoo, Rankine
(Cameron, Mosquito)
Let it rip fellas
I like some of the picks but I question a few of them.
Stewart isn’t too bad as a pod but I’d question his upside versus Laird and he’s also not as safe. He’s also not had a clean preseason and has been battling a groin injury.
I like your midfield but I don’t really like the Taranto pick. They have a huge midfield group and there’s going to be a lot of point sharing and he might spend a bit more time forward and/or on the wing. He’s also more of a DT player than a SC player as he kicks a lot and tackles a lot but doesn’t kick accurately and doesn’t win a huge amount of contested ball.
I like the forward line but I’m not sure what you’re doing with Petracca. Seems like an unecessary gamble.
Also I favour Grawndy, although you have the right player if you’re going for somebody else.
Maybe Doedee won’t be necessary and you can free up some money towards Gawn or upgrading Petracca if there’s not another mid pricer you like.
Also it’s worth starting Comben as a non-playing ruck/forward so you can downgrade a forward cash cow to any young ruckman who emerges (such as Draper) by swinging Comben to the forward line.
Houston*
cheers will the thought with Petracca is that the Dees need to come out firing and he is just a bull will expect big midfield minutes would you suggest Howard vs Stewart? and then upgrading petracca
He’s a bull but he doesn’t seem to have the tank to play big midfield minutes and Melbourne like to play him in the forward line considering their inside midfield depth.
I’ve got Houston in my team and I like him but he is somewhat risky given his price so just know he’s not a sure thing like I think Laird is.
OK….due to a unanimous thumbs down I’ve done some reconstructing.
Left with some 73k in the bank which I will use on getting the right mix with the rookies I’ve gone with a safer approach.
Sicily, Doedee, Docherty, Starcevich, Hayden Young, Bianco. ( Worrell, Rivers )
Macrae, Fyfe, Mitchell, Dangerfield, Cripps, Rowell, Pickett, Dylan Stephens,
( Connolly (loop), Hibberd, Budarick )
Grawndy ( Comben (loop))
Walters, Whitfield, J Steven, D Smith, S Hill, Cockatoo, (Rankine, M King )
Downsides are that Sicily is damn frustrating, his recklessness can be costly, but hey….whatcha going to do…I went with Laird last year and he kinda started a little soft I think….was bummed I didn’t pick Lloyd at the start, but Dawson might bring him back a little.
Obviously have to track Doc and Doedee preseason…and whether Mitchell gets up and about OK…
Stevens is a worry with his STIs…and now Hibberd is doubtful, but replaceable..
Could trade Doc for Houston…but don’t know enough about him.
Will see if Max King does FA during the preseason, have learned my lesson from picking KPF rookies, so he might get the flick.
I think Tom Mcdonald could be a decent POD…but Melbourne are constantly on the nose and its still a risk. Greenwood is another who may fire…but the Suns are…well…the Suns.
Gives me possibly 12 keepers and room to move.
Much better structure, Elvis. Your awareness of some potential weak links is also good and with that 73k you can adjust accordingly during the pre-season.
Best of luck.
t/u Oliver
t/d neale
this is with A.brayshaw in the team
FYI Brayshaw has done an elbow injury, in doubt for first pre-season game.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2020-melbourne-angus-brayshaw-injury-news-elbow/news-story/4bef2877c9ae15a352ea1da44e487cae
Def: Lloyd Doch Doedee worrell Rivers Gould RES Cotterell mc Guinness
Mids: Macrae Neale Cripps Dunkley Dangerfield hannebery Sier Rowell RES mc Henry Mead Pickett
Ruck Grundy Gawn RES comben
Fwd: Whitfield Greenwood Smith Hill Frampton Cameron RES Rankine King.
Avalon, a little risky I think. I can’t see Sier getting a game, even with Beams out. I suspect that spot will go to Rantall. Hannebery will not be a top mid and will not make a lot of cash. I think spots would be better going to rookies. Greenwood will get game time but I don’t think he will be a big scorer. For me Brayshaw offers similar scoring potential for less cash. Good luck this year….M
Few Changes since the last draft made the mids stronger still without Gawn yes still sticking strong with Nik Nat
Backs
Sicily, Houston, Doch
Doedee, Hill, Starcevich
(Rivers, Gould)
Mids
Macrae, Fyfe
Crips, Danger, Gus
Rowell, Serong, Pickett
Rucks
Grundy, Nik Nat (Comben)
FWDS
Whitfield, Martin, Heeney
Smith, Cameron, Rankine
(Cockatoo, King)
29K in the bank let me know still weighing up a few options can get rid of Heeney for a greenwood or petracca to free up a bit of cash for a better M5 and yes I know Gus is injured but will bounce back real strong this year nice POD
I’ve reached the point where I’m not sold on any of the midprice forwards and not sold on Doch down back.
Def
Steward, Laird, Houston
Starcevich, Williamson, McLennan
Mid
Macrae, Neale, J. Kelly, Dunkley
Oliver, McHenry, Valentine, Picket
Rucks
Grundy, Gawn, Cameron
Forwards
Whitford, Martin, Heeney
Hill, Cockotoo, Hutchison
Tu: Dunkley
Td: Dangerfield
Def- laird, Sicily, Docherty, doedee, roberton, hill (McLennan, gould)
Mid – cripps, treloar, Oliver, yeo, taranto, Pickett, mead, hibberd (mchenry, philp, valente)
Ruck – Grundy, Gawn (conroy)
Fwd – Whitfield, Martin, brayshaw (freo), Smith, rankine, king (cavarra, butters)
This basically leaves me with about 1k, which I don’t love, but I’m liking the structure. Hoping yeo, treloar and taranto might be slight PODs (and for taranto and yeo not to be initiated by inclusions of ward and kelly).
Andy brayshaw is a bit of a hail Mary at this stage, but showed good signs late last year, and surely more midfield time beckons.
Roberton is a little unknown, and I actually would have liked to include Hunter Clarke, but at$150k cheaper it was to hard to pad up.
Whaddaya think?
Cheers.
SN, risky backline with 4 players coming off LTI’s. I also think not having Macrae, Neal, Fyfe or Danger might mean you are bleeding too many points in your midfield. Good luck this year……M
Agree with Max mate….
I pulled the pin on Roberton…he’s a big risk…That being said if he tallies up in the preseason probably worth the thought.
Hayden Young should get a start down back at Freo, he’s an excellent kick and should run off half back. I would probably bring Hill into the forward line for King…but that is not in your budget with your current roster.
Can’t see TT getting the points with Ward back and a full roster.
Have to wait and see on the eagles structure, I’m thinking Yeo might be moved around a bit to accommodate Kelly, maybe off half back so could be rewarding.
Hibberd probably won’t get up in time for round 1, if he forces his way into the top 22 ( he’s on my bench, think he will go OK given a chance )
Mead ? will he make the top 22. Guess rooks are anybodies guess.
I spoke about my dislike of KP rookies like King, burned with Balta and others in the past.
But Hey….gotta start somewhere.
Good luck
Yeah, it’s a bit up in the air. I think taranto will be safe with the return of ward – by the end of the season I see him being the giants best mid, if he’s not already. I think hopper, Williams and maybe even coniglio (because he has the tricks to play fwd) might lose midfield time. Yeo is interesting – I think he’s the big body, inside mid that shuey, gaff, sheed… and kelly are not, so I feel he’ll stay in.
But… who the hell knows, am sure there will be a few darts thrown at the board before now and rd 1.
Cheers for the feedback… and good luck!
back 6 – laird Sicily doherty doodee hill starcevich
mid 8 – macrae fyfe cripps danger Oliver taranto Rowell Pickett
The big 2 – GG
fwd 6 – Whitfield Steven Flanders cockatoo rankine king
my bench is full but that will change after pre season games and I reckon some of my onfield rookies will also change.
Thoughts??
Strong mate, I like this.
As I mentioned above though, bring Hill into forwards and pick up the best defence rookie likely to start…should be a few to choose from.
But just my 2 cents.
yea that’s a good shout!
Hey guys,
Here we go….
Hurn, Laird, Docherty, Doedee, Horlin-smith, Hill
(Watson, McLennan)
Macrae, Cripps, Mitchell, Kelly, Rowell, Anderson, McHenry, Pickett
(Bonar, Stephens, Flanders)
Grundy, Naitanui
(Conroy)
Whitfield, Walters, Steven, Smith, Frampton, Rankine
(Mcadam, Sturt)
Tried to go very different with all my selections…not sure if that’s a good thing or a bad thing
Hey guys sitting in my free period at school doing “HOMEWORK”
Please let me know what you think of this first draft (3rd year player)
Lloyd, Laird, Docherty, Starcevich, T.Williamson, Rivers
(Young, Gould)
Macrae, Cripps, Dangerfield, Treloar, Oliver, Rowell, Cockatoo, Pickett
(McHenry, Robertson, North)
Grundy, Gawn
(Cameron)
Whitfield, Martin, Steven, Hill, McAdam, Rankine
(King, Comben)
This leaves $59500 ITB
Super minor suggestion, maybe Cockatoo to the forward line and get access to another midfield rookie. (it would take away the mid/forward swing though)
Good team Chelsea. I read earlier that Steven is a bit underdone and will spend a lot of time in the forward line while he gains fitness. Overall good structure and see how the pre-season games go before settling on the rookies. Good luck this year…..M.
Miss ChelseaWhy are you doing your supercoach side at school when you should be learning 🙁 ( Year 11 is important) I send you to school to learn
Love the set up of your side
I will take the laptop off you if continue to do this.
HAHAHA
Pretty settled on this till JLT games for rookie selections;
Nathan’s Gunz
Williams, Laird, Docherty, Hill, Rivers, Gould (Cottrell, Bianco)
Macrae, Neale, Cripps, Dunkley, Dangerfield, Valente, Pickett, Robertson (McHenry, Bytel, Hibberd)
Grundy, Gawn (Comben)
Whitfield, D.Martin, Steven, D.Smith, E.Smith, Rankine (King, Cavarra)
Do you have much cash left?
Just wondering if a more expensive rookie tears it up in JLT do you have to do much of a reshuffle?
If you have 30k left I think you’re golden if one of your mid prices goes south you have a good range of players you can bring in.
11k left in bank if more expensive rookie shines i’ll downgrade Neale to a cheapish uber mid if Rowell lights it up then Williams will be downgraded to a cheaper mid 😉
Just want to say thanks so much for this forum; for a newbie to SC it’s been tremendously helpful to be able to read teams and other people’s thoughts, while being so respectful to each other.
I wanted to ask (and I know he is a risk) but am I totally crazy for considering Watts in my backline (as a POD to Houston and Doch)??? Be gentle, but thank you for any thoughts. I’m not worrying too much about the bench at this stage.
ATM I have:
Williams, Rich, Watts, Doedee, Roberton, Gould
Neale, Cripps, Dunkley, Danger, Corniglio (again, he’s hardly a mention),
Walters, Rowell, Pickett
Grundy, Lycett /Nat (I like a POD I guess)
Whitfield, Heeney (does his thumb matter?), Hill
Cockatoo, Weightman, Rankine
I know s conigilo is only in like 2 percent teams I have him. Guys a proven big scorer
Even with his 200 last year i can’t do him 60 at quarter time barley scrapes the tonne due to his DE fantasy only for me this year broke my heart last year lol
Hey Popps.
You should have a read of Zac’s post on his 2019 season.
He basically states ( I hope this is right )
That most times its better to start popular picks rather than PODs
Theres way less risk. If the popular pick fires and you have another POD you will be playing catch up.
If your POD fires everyone may jump on them anyway and he wont be a POD for long.
Basically a POD is just that, for a reason. ( most people that log in this early have a fair understanding of the game )
Watts has never been a premium SC scorer before ( he has teased at times ) I still think the odds of him staying fit and elevating himself into Premium status is 100/1
Stick with Doc 😉
Exactly right FT! The only “PODS” that are worth picking are players who have still proven they are good supercoach scorers in the past for example Z.Merrett who is only in 2% of sides (This is not me recommending to select Merrett but if you did i wouldn’t argue against it). Jack Watts does not fit this. Please don’t select Watts Popps!!!
Rich is also terrible value in my opinion when Laird is the exact same price (who is better and more reliable).
Lycett is a tick if taking the risk against Gawn, however Nic Nat is bound to end in disaster.
I know im picking apart the PODS which seem to make people feel they are doing a good thing by being unique but its simply a bad idea. Other than those picks highlighted team is good. Good luck Popps!
My team is sorry if i make any spelling errors.
Daf. Lloyd. Sicley. Docherty. Roberton. Rivers. Gould. Bench worrell jez McLean
Mids. Danger. cripps. Fyfe. Macrea. S congilio. Pickett. T green. N mchenry. Bench robertson mead. ruscoe.
Rucks. Gwan. R Marshall. Bench Cameron
Fwds. J Steven d Martin. L Whitefield. N cocktoo. D Smith. B Frampton. Bench m king. I rankine.
Let me know what you think rookies might change as you never know
Def:Laird Sicily Doch Doedee Rivers Gould RES Worrell Cottrell
Mid: Macrae Neale Dunkley Danger Cogs
Bonar Pickett Mead RES McHenry Bytel rantell
Ruck GRundy Gawn RES Comben
FWD Whitfield Lynch TMac Smith Hill Cockatoo.RES Rankine Cameron.
Bit exposed with the 4 rookies in Def.
And very risky Fwd Line.
Lynch. Full PreSeason this year. 2nd Year in the team with better understand. Great back half of the 2019 season.
TMac. Nicely priced and if no preseason niggles is a good option to the byes rounds for easy upgrade. Nice additions to Melbourne wing this year, should help.
Smith Top 6 FWD. Lock.
Yes risky structure but Potential.?
That’s Tom McDonald right. Well the guy to me great player but not and will never be a supeercoach stud. And plus he plays for Melbourne only one b8g player in that team max gwan. Rest are b and c reserve players. Look at Jack Steven or Nadia cocktooo cocky has not had a full pre season in 3 4 years and looks fantastic this year. And Jack Steven expects him to be back to his best at Geelong only a few things like the Tom lynch thing but I don’t like him in my supeercoach . I feel you need fwd mids. Sorry for a long writing
It’s nice to be back in the swing of SC. Good luck to everyone this year!!
First draft…..same old rookie story, third sure to change.
DEF: Williams, Laird, Doedee, Starvevich, Cottrell, Gould (Worrell, Bianco)
MID: Macrae, Neale, Cripps, Dunkley, Oliver, Z.Jones, Rowell, Pickett (Maginness, Mead, Buderick)
R: Grundy, Gawn (Comben)
FWD: Whitfield, Heeney, Smith, Hill, Cockatoo, Rankine (King, Taylor)
22800k remaining.
Pretty stock standard for this time of year and pretty safe I feel (rookies aside). Only POD at the moment is Jones. I’m a Swans fan and I reckon the fresh St.Kilda air will do him well. He’s always been a fave player of mine to watch….he’s a bull.
Thoughts?
Again, best of luck to ‘US’ all.
I really like your PoD with Z Jones. If we all picked the exact same team it would be pretty dull!
I’m glad SuperCoach is back. First cut of my 2020 team. Trying to be bolder with a few PoDs this year through the midfield. Feedback most welcome.
Houli, Sicily, Doc, S Hill, Starcevich, Brander: McLennan, Gould
Fyfe, Dunkley, Treloar, Yeo, Sloane, Rowell, Cockatoo, Pickett: McHenry, Robertson, Rivers
Grundy, Gawn
Whitfield, Martin, Stevens, Smith, Frampton, Rankine: King, Worrell
Hey, Push.
Solid structure, but I would “be bolder with a few PODs” anywhere but the your MID line. Given the disparity in ceiling and consistency amongst MIDs, you’ve got to be starting players who you think will be Top 8.
Now, obviously it’s tough to afford 5x 630k~ midfielders. So grab 4 topshelf MIDs (Macrae, Fyfe, Cripps, Danger, etc) and then your 5th should be someone you can see potentially being Top 8.
You’ve got Fyfe and Dunkley, tick tick, but I wouldn’t be starting all 3 of Sloane, Yeo and Treloar. Limit yourself to one of them- although not Sloane, he’s inconsistent, can’t handle a tag and is getting up there.
While they’re not guaranteed Top 8, Treloar and Yeo have plenty of upside and could very well make it. Start one of them at most, then make sure the rest of your MIDs are locks for Top 8.
For me, the criteria for premo MID is “would I entrust them with the VC/C?”.
Eg. Right now I’m running 6 premo MIDs: Macrae, Neale, Fyfe, Cripps, Dunkley & T. Kelly. The first 5 are all pretty much locks for Top 8 and T. Kelly has the potential to be right behind em’.
Hi guys, I’m new to AFL Supercoach and would like all the critics/experts Rate My Team early!
Houli, Crisp, McKenzie, Watson, Hill, Zerk-Thatcher,Gould and Young
MaCrae, Fyfe, Whitfield, Oliver, Powell-Pepper, Smith, Rowell, Stephens, Pickett, Lyons and Brayshaw
Grundy, Gawn and Conroy
Walters, Rozee, McDonald-Tipungwuti, Steven, Cockatoo, Rankine, Cavarro and Worrell.
Ill list a few of the things i would change and then let you try and improve the team from there!
McKenzie to Doedee / Roberton
Whitfield to the forwards (if thats devon smith also put him in the forwards). The midfield is what gets you the most points so try to pick 4-5 top end guys then rookies. Macrae, fyfe, oliver are perfect. after whitfield and smith go forward try fit in 1 or 2 more top end mids.
Powell Pepper toughted to play more forward this year. Not a great pick.
McDonald-Tipungwuti likewise to Pepper doesn’t have a supercoach friendly game and should be avoided.
Im just going to post my premo/180k plus lines, all rookies subject to change this time of the year. 76k leftover. Egg just sitting there as a high price/money for downgrade.
B: Lloyd Houston Docherty Eggmolese Hill
M: Fyfe Cripps Dunkley Oliver Kelly Rowell
R: Grundy Gawn (Comben)
F: Whitfield Martin Greenwood
Woops Kelly of the Tim variety*
TU; sicily
TD; Houston
Or both???
I have both
Def: Laird, Sicily, Docherty, Hill, Williamson, worrell (Rivers, Gould)
Mid: Macrae, Fyfe, Cripps, Oliver, T.Kelly, Rowell, Cockatoo, Pickett (McHenry, Bytel, Budarick)
Rucks: GG (Comden)
Fwd: Whitfield, Martin, Steven, D.Smith, Rankine, Cavarra (M.King, Cameron)
So Gawn has gone down. That might throw the cat among the pigeons.
Lloyd
Williams
Docherty
Hill
Gould
Starcevich
Bianco
Rivers
McRae
Neale
Dangerfield
Cripps
Oliver
Rowell
Pickett
Robertson
McHenry
Bytel
Collier Dawkins
Grundy
Gawn
Comden
Whitfield
Martin
Smith
Bonnar
Rankine
Cockatoo
King
Smith