Cow Talk R4–>5

Written by Father Dougal on April 14 2021

Small or Far Away, Father Dougal on Cows


Hi Everybody!

Mmphmphmph!  Mmphmphmph!!!  Mmphmphmph!!!!!  

Sorry, that’s my imaginary interlocutor trying to yell “Heresy” but I got tired of that so had to take “measures.” 

Think “Pulp Fiction” 

Oh gosh, I doubt they wanted to do that, the images that could bring up!

Why, Pulp is good! Pumpkins have pulp, along with seeds!

A conversation I am happy to have turned to pumpkin seeds, wonders never cease. 

Anyways, This is the Week Of Doom, in which I do the first set of cow projections. This year it is extra doom-y, because I have included a lot of cow-like-objects. 

Mmphmphmph!   Mmphmphmph!  

Which some might consider heresy, but this year there are a lot of them and a lot of people own them, so I think it is worth doing them. 

Until you figure out how much extra work that is

Well, yeah, we’ll see. I think it’s worth trying though. 

Anything to talk about other than cows and heresy?


Of course! 


Something to remember is that growing a cow is not actually valuable. What is valuable is using that cash. If you can’t downgrade them, their growth is irrelevant, and only any points you get from them matters.  If you are trading up from a cow, you will be using all their cash, and all their growth. If you are downgrading them to extract cash, then you “lose” the cost of their replacement.  If, for example, you are downgrading to a $123,900 rookie, you leave $123,900 in the cow. If you started with a $102,400 cow, that means the first $21,500 of growth isn’t really growth.  When we talk about making $150,000 as a target growth, that really means a target profit, so a $102,400 cow may need to grow $171,500 for you to make $150,000 if you’re going to downgrade to a  $123,900 guy.  

Another thing is that Cow-pound interest also applies to cow growth, in that it is not always worth waiting another week to make more money. Often you are best off taking the money now and using it rather than waiting for later. 

Is that why the “Time/Cash Value” and “Extracted Time/Cash Value” columns are for on the price projections? 

Yes, exactly!  “Time/Cash Value” tells you how much benefit you get from waiting another week for the projected growth.  The “Change” column to the right of it tells you how much more overall benefit you get from the change that week. 

So a negative change is bad?


Yes, right! It means you are making so little cash from the player that you are worse off by waiting.  You could just eyeball that and if you are waiting for a price drop or something then you still might be better off waiting, but I find it helpful, so I include it. 

So what’s the “Extracted” thing and what’s the difference?

“Time/Cash Value” is for when you are upgrading from a player and can use all the cash, while “Extracted Time/Cash Value” is when you are downgrading and can’t use all the cash.  I assume you are downgrading to a $123,900 rookie and calculate the value on what’s actually made available. 

And that timing on that is different?

Yeah, downgrades top out in value faster, so I have both sets of numbers. 

Which will be imminently below? 





Lachie Young: Came in very early in the game as the injury replacement and put up his second best score.  He has good money left to make, assuming he keeps playing.


Jordan Butts: The Rule of three says next week will be his peak from that 95, but really he could put up another good score and go higher from that. With seemingly good job security, he might be hard to trade out right now.

Nikolas Cox: Wow, did he avoid being a trade in target after round 2! Bastard. Looks to have good money left to make, and another 90+ score will mean even more than projected from his season average.

Jack Buckley: Darling of the tech league.  Looks like he could make over $100k, and maybe more if he keeps up his last two weeks form, or even has one big score. 


Jordan Clark:  Scored well week one with Danger feeding him. (My opinion) and slower ever since. Always a selection worry. Really could use that one big score, or maybe he’ll pick up with Danger back.

Isaac Cumming:  Looks like the last upgrade for defense. Probably can keep up an 85+ average.

Changkuoth Jiath:  Could be Jordan Ridley v2.0.  If not he will still make bank for his owners.  Still worth bringing in if you think he can keep up a 95+ average, which sure seems possible.




Errol Gulden: That fast start pushed him up but without follow up deeper into the season he will stall out.  Since he put up two huge scores we can assume not a one off, and maybe he do a third. Certainly no rush to trade out.

Sam Berry:  A tackling machine who is looking like a slow burn. Hold and grow and sooner or later he’ll be worth harvesting.

James Jordan: That 24 is really going to slow down his growth. Ugh. Still, having made so little he is probably a long term hold.

Tom Powell:  Not knowing his next two scores, the rule of three says he’ll top out at the start of round 7.  If he puts up more big score round 5 and/or 6 he should go higher past then.

Lachie McNeil:  Wow, clearly a slow hold and hope he has one big score to pump him up.



Flynn: Will make a lot of cash if he keeps playing.  Which he should but maybe off and on, which arrgh!

Meek: That 33 hurts. Both because it was on field for many Flynn owners but also in the cash making.  He needs a good score soon, probably two.

Fullarton: His value may mostly be in his DPP.  Not able to do much as sole ruck, or sort of sole ruck.  May end up a Fwd/Ruck loophole, or could just go up slowly a long time.  All depends on what the Lions need from him.  Doesn’t seem like a bad player.


Hickey:  Anyone with the guts to have started with him, well done. He might be a way to dodge a donut this round for those who can upgrade to him. Hopefully from Meek or Hunter and not Flynn. He’d be a keeper if that didn’t mean not owning one of the Gs.





Warner: Might really be the best of the cygnets. Probably not a keeper but there is an outside chance. He may be the safest cow to have on the pitch.

Campbell:  That 29 leaves his three round average after one more round, and so his high Be is a little misleading. If you just went by BE he looks more of a sell than he really is. If you have to harvest him for some reason it isn’t crazy, but I’d try not to if I didn’t have to.

Dow:  I think he is setting a record. First mention in the first cow talk with projections of the year and he is immediately exiled to Moo-ron Mountain.  What a Maroon. What a nin-cow-poop. Blech. Won’t be back until he does something wroth reporting on. A good thing worth reporting on.

Brockman:  Yet another slow burn forward type.

Scott:  Yet another yet another slow burn forward type.

Jones:  Yet another, blah blah blah, forward type whatever.

Rowe: A master at having his good score while we have him on the bench. Medium burn forward it seems.


Ziebell:  The Z-man has already made close to $150k, and looks ready to make lots more. Of course if he is a keeper than how much he makes won’t matter.  At his current price he would be a fine value forward if he keep up a 95+ average.  My guess is he’s a keeper until he gets hurt, which isn’t certain, and then maybe sideways to a different unhurt premium.

Impey:  A lot like Ziebell, but not quite the same average and cheaper.  Even if bought at this price he could make $150k with a big score. And a keeper possibility.

Atkins:  Not quite good enough to bring in now, but a great starting pick. Rule of three says he could be done after two more rounds, but, he could keep scoring well and go past that.

Fantasia:  Looks like a great candidate for the 2021 Post Round Two Admiral Akbar award. At this point, you could give up and cull him if you have to use that cash, or you can wait until he kicks five and tons up again, and then dump him three rounds later.  Won’t take much to go from him to Impey or Ziebell….

Daniher: Someone cut the thread, and the sword dropped.  Not as bad as Fantasia. Going to be hurt by that 34 if he doesn’t score big to counteract it.


I have almost certainly missed someone or messed something up. Please let me know in the comments.  I mostly did not do guy who look not to be playing this week and have only played a few matches. Usually I like to get four weeks data, but for some important players I made an exception.


Dodgy Advice:  Just because a player has had a price rise does not mean you can’t bring them in. All that really matters is what they cost and how well you think they will do. Past prices just don’t matter. Yes it is annoying to pay overs, but, that is no reason to pass up someone good.  Sometimes we get the info we need one round later than we would like, but having gotten that info, no reason not to use just because of it being later and less good. Sometimes we need to take good enough.


Remember the Cow Talk guarantee: “All predictions wrong or triple your money back!”  (Offer not valid if money is actually involved.)

I am time zonally challenged.  When Cow Talk goes live, I’m probably asleep, so replies from me may take a while.

Thanks for reading!


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23 thoughts on “Cow Talk R4–>5”

    1. Nice to have, probably not worth bringing in for money making or as a keeper. Might be ok as a hybrid cash / points guy if he is what you are afford and need to get in someone down back. Hard to expect 90+ from a rookie but this year is weird.


      1. Thanks FD.

        I’m looking at Cox as a Forward ( to start with ) to cover Heeney.

        I nearly went Chapman a week late, but Heeney ,then the DPP and scoring potential made me lean towards Cox.

        He looks to be everywhere even sharing the Ruck at times.

        At $254 200 and a -41 BE he looks a real chance to top $400K.

        He’s still priced at approx 50 points, so only really needs to go at 80 to top that number by R8-9.

        Then when J Clark is ripe, I can either upgrade him to a Daniels type. Or I have the option to move Cox back and trade him to anyone.

        Thanks again and good luck this weekend.


    1. Rock solid.

      Coach pretty much said as much.

      Longmuir on Chapman..

      “With injuries come opportunity, he has grabbed it with both hands. looks like we have found a player there, that is the bonus out of the injury toll.”

      Seems pretty good to me.


    2. Probably coming in since we won’t know if Kosi is playing until too late.

      The question is whether it is for Daniel, Highmore, or Kosi.

      It will be decided by what I know about covering my other donuts.

      Very likely that means a double downgrade this week, double upgrade next week.


      1. I’m in the same boat as you with those three down back. I’m leaning towards the d/g to Chapman as I don’t really have enough cash available to upgrade (unless it’s Daniel out).


        1. HH

          On a planned double upgrade next week…

          I hope you have L Jones already. He looks to be a great downgrade option. On the Bubble next week. 😉

          I also think Kosi may get a recall with M Lewis suspended for this week. He could make a small cash rise and then be turned into Jones if you don’t have him.


  1. I know J Jordan is a slow burn and will probably (hopefully) make cash slowly if he keeps playing but even at that price it feels I have to sacrifice him for a smallish profit to bring in Waterman who is on the bubble with good price growth/job security in him?


    1. I am doing the same, purely just because I really want Waterman, and he is not looking good for much more cash. More a product of who I am bringing in vs. what Jordan may produce.


    1. Probably but I feel like this happens every year. Well, last year I’m not sure, but there never are a ton of options later on as I recall.


      1. It gets even worse when late in the year they start blooding rookies you were hoping to use as cows the following season. 😉


  2. Excellent dodgy advice, Father! It’s always useful to be reminded not to let perfect be the enemy of good.


  3. With Daniels out for a game Scott might get more of a run as a half back. Might boost his scoring this week at least.


  4. Great info Father, unfortunately rookies can be an absolute minefield, I seem to remember Waterman tonning up in a practice match and then doing stuff all the next game, they are absolute jeezabels, enticing you in on one good game, followed by one ordinary and then a putrid game and your then stuck with a non playing rookie with a minus BE at a 135k, that sits on your bench for the rest of the year.
    Have we got any stats that lessens this minefield?
    I feel like the following are strong rookies-
    Chapman,Gulden, Warner, Campbell,Flynn Powell and Highmore.
    Strongish -Rowe,
    Precarious- McNeil, Scott, Bergman,Kosi, Meek, Treacy
    Dead Wood- Sharp .
    Loopamania- J.Saunders ,A.Fyfe.
    I know Highmore isn’t playing at the minute, but I still think he’s worth the wait.


    1. Pretty decent you would suggest.

      lobb should come in for Meek and share Ruck duties.

      I think they will use him as that lead up player higher up the ground. Kinda like T lynch ( Saints former Adelaide )
      They really need some one to compete when they dump kick the ball from defence. He looks to be the guy.

      They prefer Tabener deeper as he’s a pretty good shot for goal.

      He should take a few marks in good conditions , I wouldn’t expect to much in the way of SC points though.



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